Oops all spells vs modern homebrew
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Posted on Nov. 14, 2014, 7:07 a.m. by tyforthevenom
The story so far:
You played a mountain payed 2 life for gitaxian probe seeing they have a turn 1 victory in hand you have no way to prevent it, unless you win turn 1. You draw a card from your probe and it is monastary swiftspear.
Using this start you must win, it is turn one you are on the play. You're running a modern homebrew
Do you have an obsession with turn 1 wins?
Play mountain, play Faithless Looting, discard Narset, Enlightened Master and Monastery Swiftspear. 5 cards in hand. Play Simian Spirit Guide x2, Manamorphose and Goryos vengence. Attack with narset, exiling and playing for free Dragonstorm, fetching 4 Bogardan Hellkite. Boom.
November 14, 2014 7:26 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #4
Boza you failed you have to win from the situation given to you
November 14, 2014 7:28 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #5
If you need to ask though you broke a basic rule of the game by playing a second mountain
November 14, 2014 7:30 a.m.
At what point did I play a second mountain? I only palyed and used 1 for the Looting. But in order to get to 4 storm for Dragonstorm, there needs to be another Manamorphose in there.
The best use of monastery swiftspear for t1 kill is to discard it to looting. I mean, there is the simple mountain, swiftspear, 3x mutagenic growth, simian spirit guide and assault strobe, but that is too simple.
November 14, 2014 7:35 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #7
The given situation has a mountain in play and you "played a mountain"
November 14, 2014 7:46 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #8
Also the second part is I have to make this decklist after so can't be "god hand" but instead "win due to consistancy"
November 14, 2014 7:48 a.m.
Ah, well, then just skip the mountain play, the second one is completely unnecessary.
November 14, 2014 7:49 a.m.
You cannot make a deck that is consistent in turn 1 wins. Wizards would ban that stuff faster than you can say "Boza seems to have a dislike for solitaire combo decks".
November 14, 2014 7:57 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #11
Doesnt need consistant turn 1 kills but consistent fast kills with t1 capabilities
November 14, 2014 8:07 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #12
Well, do you want homebrew? Because Blistercoil Weird, Paradise Mantle, Simian Spirit Guide to equip, Simian Spirit Guide to play swiftspear, Gitaxian Probe for one mana, cantrip through your deck until you hit Crimson Wisps and swing with both, Grapeshot and swing to win, or just get enough that the swiftspear wins it.
Also any combination of 2 Simian Spirit Guide/Chancellor of the Tangle, then Manamorphose drawing Tainted Strike. Cast Immolating Souleater then infect and any one drop haste like Crimson Wisps to win.
Oh, also 4x Archive Trap when they crack their fetch, then laugh since their combo involves drawing cards?
November 14, 2014 9:09 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #13
lemmingllama their strategy involves 0 lands and victory by decking themself
November 14, 2014 9:29 a.m.
Exile Simian Spirit Guide, cast Manamorphose, double Thoughtseize.
They scoop, GG.
November 14, 2014 10:08 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #15
TehCoopeh except you dont have a way to stop them winning turn 1
November 14, 2014 10:24 a.m.
vampirelazarus says... #16
I don't think you should worry about playing a modern deck against a legacy deck :P
November 14, 2014 11:11 a.m.
Nigeltastic says... #17
Exile Simian Spirit Guide, cast Manamorphose to get white, cast Rest in Peace.
November 14, 2014 11:21 a.m.
mathimus55 says... #18
I feel like all these extra stipulations should have been in the original post...
November 14, 2014 11:25 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #19
Just as a joke, you could 3x Simian Spirit Guide/Chancellor of the Tangle then Manamorphose, playing Balustrade Spy or Undercity Informer. Mill them and they lose on their drawstep since all of an Oops all spells deck win conditions are sorcery speed.
Also I agree with vampirelazarus, its silly to think that Legacy and Modern decks should be comparable. And assuming it is a Modern version of Oops all spells, then they are sacrificing all of the consistency that the deck has just to try and hope for a magical Christmas land hand.
November 14, 2014 11:30 a.m.
If you can Thoughtseize twice and still lose to a turn one combo deck, then you decision making is probably lack-luster.
Tell me what their opening hand is.
November 14, 2014 11:43 a.m.
tyforthevenom, you are basically wanting people to make a deck for you and you're saying "It can't be that way!" when someone does. If you don't want help, feel free to shoot down ideas but if you actually want to get something then don't be so particular when you never laid down any ideas in the first place.
November 14, 2014 12:18 p.m.
Clearly, this challenge is impossible. The one part that hasn't been mentioned is that the rules change as you make suggestions so no matter what you say, you fail.
November 14, 2014 12:22 p.m.
MattTheNinja says... #23
I like the double Thoughtsieze play. It DOES STOP THEM WINNING TURN 1 because you take away the things they would use to win turn 1....
November 14, 2014 12:40 p.m.
mathimus55 says... #24
As the creator of the challenge, what you do do tyforthevenom? Since you made the challenge surely you have some sort of theory on getting out of the situation too
November 14, 2014 12:51 p.m.
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Did you specifically want us to win with the Monastery Swiftspear that we just drew? With Modern-legal cards only? Is that actually what you want us to do? Because otherwise, the Dragonstorm win on page 1 totally works, since you didn't tap your Mountain for the Probe, you can use it for Faithless Looting.
T1 Mountain, Probe, draw Swiftspear (CIH: 6), Faithless Looting, discarding Narset (CIH: 5), exile Guide, exile Guide, Manamorphose, draw Goryo's Vengeance (CIH: 3), Vengeance Narset, attack, have Dragonstorm in your top 4, storm count is at 4 (Probe, Looting, Manamorphose, Narset), 4 Bogardan Hellkites come in and deal 5 damage to your face each. GG. You even get a fifth unnecessary dragon because of the original Dragonstorm!
November 14, 2014 1:58 p.m.
Nigeltastic says... #26
I have another offering.
Tap Mountain for 
, cast Monastery Swiftspear, cast Ornithopter, exile Simian Spirit Guide, cast Infernal Plunge sacrificing Ornithopter, gaining , cast Manamorphose changing to 
, cast Tainted Strike, then delve 4 and cast the Become Immense you drew off of Manamorphose, swinging for 12 infect damage.
November 14, 2014 2:36 p.m.
SadisticMystic says... #27
Tap the mountain for Mana Clash. Both players flip 17 straight tails (remember the 2 life you paid to Gitaxian Probe!), but then you run off a string of 4 heads when they get 3 more tails before their first heads. Win.
tyforthevenom says... #2
If you're in need of encouraging let's say in the hypothetical there's a booster fresh black lotus going to the victor and there is no game 2
November 14, 2014 7:09 a.m.