Black lotus is legal in standard. What's your perfect opening 7?

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Posted on Sept. 13, 2014, 10:31 a.m. by popeyroach

Somebody put this question to me at a WMCQ. My play group had a lot of fun discussing it, and I think I've come up with the most degenerate 7 card opening hand.

so what's your perfect 7?

Are there other non-Standard cards besides BL legal in this hypothesis as well?

September 13, 2014 10:37 a.m.

popeyroach says... #3

nio

for clarity, cards from m14, RTR block, Theros block, M15, and also black lotus

September 13, 2014 10:56 a.m.

nighthawk101 says... #4

I've got one, but you have to be on the draw.

Play a Mountain and four Black Lotus es.

Sacrifice them all to play Awaken the Ancient , Madcap Skills , and Xenagos, God of Revels .

September 13, 2014 11:03 a.m.

Black Lotus , 4 Burning-Tree Emissary , Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx , 1 Mistcutter Hydra

T1: Lotus, crack. floating. BTE, BTE, BTE, BTE, now floating. Play Nykthos, use to activate. Nykthos for 8 or , use remaining and 8 of the chosen color to drop an 8/8 Mistcutter Hydra on T1 and swing.

September 13, 2014 11:04 a.m.

nighthawk101 says... #6

Oh wait.

Six cards opening hand:

Three Black Lotus es, sacrifice them to play Terra Stomper and Xenagos, God of Revels . Then play Dragon Mantle on Terra Stomper , drawing another Black Lotus to pump Terra Stomper .

September 13, 2014 11:06 a.m.

popeyroach says... #7

impressive williamgp99, I've not seen a t1 kill yet.

Mine is similar to yours canterlot guardian, but it goes bigger.lotus, crack for GGG, BTE, BTE, BTE, play and activate nykthos, drop garruk COB, minus to play worldspire wurm.

September 13, 2014 11:08 a.m.

popeyroach says... #8

relating to your 6: 9 mana doesn't cast terra stomper, xenagos and dragon mantle.

September 13, 2014 11:11 a.m.

nighthawk101 says... #9

Gah! I knew I counted something wrong -_-

Several other T1 wins though:

I think pretty much every combo will either have a) 3-4 Black Lotus or b) Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx shenanigans.

September 13, 2014 11:29 a.m.

Scytec says... #10

4 Black Lotus , Mountain , Savageborn Hydra , Hammerhand . Drop a 10/10 Hydra, enchant him, even if they played a creature it can't block, swing for game.

September 13, 2014 11:32 a.m.

TehCoopeh says... #11

4 Lotus, 2 dissolve, and a Hero's Downfall, and being on the play.

September 13, 2014 noon

VampireArmy says... #12

The true challenge wood be to get a t1 kill using only 1 lotus

September 13, 2014 1:39 p.m.

Scytec says... #13

Damnit VampireArmy...now I have to go back to the drawing board. Ugh.

September 13, 2014 1:48 p.m.

Nigeltastic says... #14

4x Black Lotus
1x Debt to the Deathless
1x Swamp
1x Rakdos Cackler

Puts them to 2 and you to 38 turn one.

September 13, 2014 2:01 p.m.

nighthawk101 says... #15

Got one, but it's eight cards.

Black Lotus , Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx , quadruple Burning-Tree Emissary , Genesis Hydra pulling Xenagos, God of Revels , then Aspect of Hydra on an emissary or the hydra.

September 13, 2014 2:07 p.m.

4 lotus, Garruk, Caller of Beasts, Xenagod, Worldspine Wurm.

Crack the lotus's, play garruk and xenagod, minus garruk to play the wurm, swing for 30 trample turn 1, and even if it's killed, you're still swinging for 20 trample next turn.

September 13, 2014 2:21 p.m.

1 lotus?

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

Be on the drawlotus, BTE, BTE, BTE, BTE, nykthos, 7 mana floating. Maze Rusher, give everything haste, swing, aspect of hydra. 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 6 + 8 = 22 damage.

September 13, 2014 2:46 p.m.

If it's legal in standard, it's legal in modern:

3x Black Lotus , a land, Omniscience , and two Emrakul, the Aeons Torn .

gg.

September 13, 2014 3:01 p.m.

in modern why not just go lotus lotus, viscera seer, finks, melira?

September 13, 2014 3:03 p.m.

Because shut up

September 13, 2014 3:06 p.m.

Scytec says... #21

I feel it necessary to point out that Emrakul is a legendary creature...you don't want 2 of him...

September 13, 2014 3:16 p.m.

benzzer853 says... #22

Scytec 2x Emrakul gives you 2 extra turns which is enough to kill them with one emrakul

September 13, 2014 3:31 p.m.

jswa72 says... #23

Plains , Black Lotus , Akroan Skyguard , 2 Inferno Fist . 7/3 w/ flying.

September 13, 2014 10:26 p.m.

Or, play one, attack on extra turn, play the next on that turn, attack again on the extra extra turn.

September 13, 2014 11:17 p.m.

With the one you didnt get rid of for the legendary rule.

September 13, 2014 11:18 p.m.

gruulmaster says... #26

Has really no one said 4x Black Lotus and 3x Biovisionary , then be on the draw and get another Biovisionary and win?

September 15, 2014 6:16 p.m.

itsdarsh says... #27

1x Mountain
1x Black Lotus
1x Channel
1x Fireball
1x Force of Will
1x Force Spike
1x Lightning Bolt

Basically, the classic Lotus -> Channel -> Fireball combo. Force of Will is to block against opposing FoW or Gut Shot and Lightning Bolt is to take care of the remaining life that had to be saved for FoW.

September 22, 2014 11:53 p.m.

ryzebloodrage says... #28

Two Card Hand....1x Black Lotus and 1x Storm Crow and you have 1 floating...instant win

October 2, 2014 11:18 a.m.

I know this is using khans block standard but 4 black lotus 1 forest, a hardened scales and a mistcutter hydra. Play the forest to play in hardened scales, then use the 4 lotus to play the mistcutter with the x cost as 11 doubling to 22 thanks to hardened scales. So that's an uncounterable 22/22 haste creature turn 1.

November 13, 2014 7:01 a.m.

nighthawk101 says... #30

Hardened Scales would only give one extra +1/+1 counter, giving you a 12/12 Mistcutter Hydra.

Also, this thread is two months old. It's usually good to check the dates before replying.

November 13, 2014 7:13 a.m.

jojacob says... #31

1x Black Lotus, Glistener Elf, Forest, Hammerhand, Might of Old Krosa, Berserk swing for 12 poison counters turn one unblockable, and two cards that don't matter, Mutagenic Growth maybe?

January 8, 2015 2:14 p.m.

JWiley129 says... #32

The only problem with your start jojacob is that your Forest needs to be a Mountain.

January 8, 2015 2:24 p.m.

jojacob says... #33

Oops my bad, didn't read it carefully enough.

January 8, 2015 4:26 p.m.

nighthawk101 says... #34

YAN

Yet Another Necro.

January 8, 2015 4:30 p.m.

-Fulcrum says... #35

Oh good, I was hoping someone would necro this so I could contribute without pissing off vampirelazarus.

Be on the draw. Your hand - 1 Black Lotus, Downfall, Lightning Strike, TS, 2 Bile Blight, Caryatid, Courser

Opponent T1 TS you, hits Lotus, you scoop because you can't do anything.

January 9, 2015 5:24 a.m.

sylvannos says... #36

Despite being a necro, this thread is kinda fun anyhow.

The best I could think of was 4x Black Lotus, Forest, and Genesis Hydra with any random 7th. card.

You play Forest, tap it for mana, crack all four Black Lotus, then cast Genesis Hydra for 11. Since we're in Magical Christmas Land, you reveal a Boonweaver Giant. Search up Raised by Wolves. Pass turn -> untap -> upkeep -> main -> attack step -> kill your opponent.

January 12, 2015 12:37 a.m.

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