Don't forget to vote today

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Posted on Nov. 6, 2018, 11:52 a.m. by Argy

If you are that way inclined.

shadow63 says... #2

What if no body votes? What would happen

November 6, 2018 noon

Flooremoji says... #3

shadow63, the candidates would vote for themselves.

November 6, 2018 12:04 p.m.

cdkime says... #4

shadow63

Let's assume this hypothetical occurred. Rules for breaking ties vary by jurisdiction. The legislature/local governing body might hold a vote to break the tie. Some jurisdictions use a coin flip. Some might hold a special election.

However, if there were literally 0 votes, I would assume the relevant governing body might choose to hold a special election regardless to account for a highly unusual situation.

Interestingly, there was a tie in the Virginia House of Delegates election that was broken by pulling a name from a bowl early this year. Even more unusually, this particular race would determine whether there was a 50-50 split of the political parties in the House of Delegates.

So, if you're ever thinking your vote might not matter--a single person's vote could have determined not just the outcome in their district, but also the majority outcome for the entire Commonwealth.

November 6, 2018 12:13 p.m.

Icbrgr says... #5

Back in the day I had a Cartoon X-Men VHS movie I used to watch and in the previews/comercials before the movie there was a Spiderman Register/Vote Ad...It took 10-15 years but that ad campaign worked and I vote :p

November 6, 2018 1:44 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #6

This is only applicable to the US right now, right? Why is it on tappedout, a non-political, Magically-Related Card Game Community forum-esque website that has many members from non-US countries?

November 6, 2018 4:15 p.m.

LordBlackblade says... #7

SynergyBuild: Unfortunately, everything is politicized here in the United States lately. There is no such thing as non-political in the current climate. It seeps into all aspects of American life: media, education, and even Magic.

November 6, 2018 4:25 p.m.

FSims81 says... #8

I mean does it matter? The note does say "if you are that way inclined". Argy is just doing their part to ensure anyone thinking about voting, that voting pertains to, sees another reminder. Harmless message really

November 6, 2018 4:36 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #9

DOn't get me wrong, I would just like it to say something like 'for the US', if you don't live there, you could be really confused, like, wait, we have a vote today in Insert non US Country here?

November 6, 2018 4:58 p.m.

cdkime says... #10

SynergyBuild - small note, Argy is not from the United States - she is one of this site’s “many members from non-US countries.”

Personally, I don’t see it as that big of a deal. Frankly, I think it is really neat to see someone from another country taking interest in the US government, in a healthy, non-proselytising way.

Anyway, not trying to get into too deep of a discussion - there is enough bad blood going around today (unless anyone else wants to pose interesting legal hypotheticals, such as the first post!). Just sharing my two cents.

November 6, 2018 5:19 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #11

Nah, really just thought it would be useful, my original, questioned comment had no tone of 'big deal'ifying the forum post.

November 6, 2018 6:24 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #12

cdkime, I know you're one of those well educated types (Unlike me, haha. Though I went into mechanics because I enjoy building things so to each their own :3), and since we are in a thread that is about the subject, I'd like to ask your opinion on something - if you don't mind.

I went to vote today. Don't worry, I won't mention my affiliated party as to avoid potential controversy since I know it's a sensitive subject.

I'm actually a bit concerned I witnessed some degree of voter fraud on the behalf of the ballot machines.

So, as I was filling out my ballot I was at the section for my district's Senator position. Only one person had been placed on the ballot, so you either voted for them and their party or you did not. If you don't side with their ideologies, you leave the spot blank. I mean, they're going to win by default; They have no opposition. But standing on principal, you can CHOOSE to not vote.

Now, I live in a relatively small area. The district is quite large in population, but it spans over several townships and small cities so it's rather "flat", if that makes any sense.

I bring this up, because there were not just one, not just two, but FOUR positions on the ballot in which members of opposing parties did not run. I feel comfortable here stating that there were two positions held solely by Republican officials, and two positions held solely by Democratic officials. On the roster, a total of three parties were represented: Republican, Democratic, and Libertarian though they were few and far between.

So on the two I personally felt some sort of agreement with, I voted and filled in their spots. On the other two, I left them blank on principal and lack of options. (To be fair, I'm neither truly Republican nor Democratic as I feel the best solution resides in the middle where compromise can be made for the greater good, though given the lack of elastic options, I had no real choice in the matter.)

So I mention all of this to set up the tone of what happened at the ballot machine. A man in front of me slid his ballot into the machine, and it beeped. A message came across the screen, saying he "failed to vote" for a certain option. The woman at the machine smiled, checked it and said "Sir, you didn't vote for State Treasurer. Would you like to cast a vote? You can select an option on the keypad, or just press Enter to skip it and validate you'd like to wave your vote for that election."

He responded with "Nah, I don't think it matters. We're broke, anyways." (Can you guess which State I live in? Hint: We haven't had a budget in several years...)

So she laughed, gave him his sticker for voting and he went on his way.

I get up there, scan in mine and wait for that beep to tell me that I failed to vote on two spots (The two I chose to not vote on via principal.)

And... it didn't. It accepted my ballot, with blank spots.

Yet, it announced that the other man, who ALSO had blank spots, that he left spots blank.

This got me thinking. I know that if a single person votes for one of the positions where only one candidate is running, they will win by default. But the system still needs to acknowledge and track their votes, right? So if you submit a ballot without a mark in that location, it still comes up as a blank vote.

But it didn't. It's like it just "accepted" my lack of response. But not for the other guy, who didn't vote for a position in which multiple candidates were running.

So, is this voter fraud? It feels like the system basically "automatically accepted" it, but it shouldn't have because that takes away our rights? Right?

Because choosing to not vote for a candidate you don't agree with is just as valid as not showing up to cast a vote at all. For the man with regards to our State Treasurer, the system checked to acknowledge that he didn't leave it blank by mistake. But for me, it automatically accepted that it is blank.

This makes me wonder if, since I didn't have any other option, if the machine just automatically cast my vote in favor of the representative due to lack of options? But if that's the case, that takes away my right to choose to not vote for them in the first place?

I don't know. Something just feels really off with that... :/

November 6, 2018 11:59 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #13

Come to think of it, would "voter suppression" be a better term?

Sorry, I'm not really that knowledgeable on this type of subject. I probably used the wrong term by accident.

My bad.

November 7, 2018 12:15 a.m.

cdkime says... #14

TypicalTimmy - I’ve enabled chat so we don’t have to subject others to further election-related discussion. I’m guessing there’s plenty who are sick of elections by this point!

November 7, 2018 1:45 a.m.

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