I'm gonna start adding choice cards to the Maybeboard that didn't make the cut so peeps can look at other choice card options that cater to their play style(the people of the interweb)!
So even if the card isn't in red or black or just seems bad, still go ahead and throw it in the comments and I'll add it to the pool of choice cards =D
I think I'll put in a couple Painful Quandary as another win condition. I few people have already stated if someone has played this deck before, it's not too threatening(a.k.a not many win conditions).
Thx for the feedback =).
It's hillarious to play, +1.
Are there any other creatures like that, because I'm sure you'd be hard pressed to get 'em when you need 'em.
There are Flailing Soldier , Flailing Ogre and Flailing Manticore . Though I'm not sure a if one, they're considered choice cards, two, if they're worth it, and three, what to take out of the current deck to make room.
Now that I'm looking at Flailing Manticore , he is a beast if not dealt with.
Hmmmmm. Not too sure here. Suggestions?
Also there's Confusion in the Ranks that can be entertaining in a multiplayer game. Though not so good in 1v1 and it wouldn't do much in this deck atm.
Thx peeps for the +1's, and if you know of any good choice cards, I'm more then willing to take a look =)
Actually Lethal Vapors would be ideal to take out if more creatures would be put into the deck.
I dunno, I kinda like Lethal Vapors . It locks the board down and if they don't have enchantment removal on hand they will have to destroy it on sight and take the skip. If they do, that sets you up nicely to play Painful Quandary right after.
The only problem I see is that it comes in late if you don't have something like dark ritual. I would like to see more creatures in here though. And it seems like any deck running blue would just counter half of your spells and therefore paying the life wouldn't be too risky.
Fun deck though =)
I love me some sexy Fact or Fiction . It might be worth splashing blue if I find myself lacking cards mid to late game.
Again thx peeps for the +1's and feedback. It really helps me in deck building =)
With the exception of Curse of the Cabal and another land drop, I don't think there's much benefit to get an extra turn in this deck. Since a lot of spells in here are reaction based.
Well...extra swings with the Shivan Wumpus would be nice, but 4 black mana specific can be rough to cast.
Not sure, I'll have to test it out. Thx for the feedback =)
Fancy! I like Tyrannize =) Sideboarding it for now, but may put a couple in the main deck once I test it out a little :)
what about running Phyrexian Obliterator ? It gives your opponents choices...get beat in the face with a 5/5, or lose a lot of permanants. also its just a good card lol
It's the same as lets say Glissa, the Traitor for example. You can either block it and lose a creature, or take 3 damage, but it's still just normal atacking and blocking options with passive abilities.
But yes, it's a silly good card if the dealt with ;)
This is true, he is not strictly as choice based as the majority of your cards.
He also makes a tremendous blocker lmao. But i suppose he may just not have a place in your deck.
In any case though, kudos, and +1 from me lol
Sweet God, this is fantastic. An enthusiastic +1 from me!
Question: How are you using this deck? Casually against some friends, or in some sort of series of Legacy tournaments?
I haven't put it together yet =( I wanted to see what ideas other people can come up with before I ordered the cards I needed.
However, I just ordered the cards to finish it up(along with the side board and maybe board too), so I should have some actual results in a week or so.
Oh yea, I'll just be playing against some friends. Their decks range between standard casual play, to fairly serious legacy play, and everything in between =) So I'll have a lot of deck variety to play against.
Sooooo if you don't mind I'm gonna give this deck idea my own take some time in the near future. Of course you'll get all the credit for the deck though
By all means, pick away and make your own creation. I'm honored to have influenced people with the deck =)
This is what I came up with for a fist draft... It's Not That I Win... It's That You Lose... lemme know what you think :)
I raelly like the idea here. I was looking at my Blazing Salvo the other day thinking I should put something like this together.
The problem, I think, is that it's a bit passive. I think you could benefit from that Phyrexian Obliterator for now, even if he does not fit the bill exactly. Perhaps even going for some Contaminated Ground to lock them down? I think you might lack a proper kill if you don't. (I'm thinking of a crossbreed between this and land-destroy for myself)
I will +1 and salute you for the idea tho, very well built.
this deck is so awesome it doesnt even need a win con!
just bug your opponent to death!
Mr. Obliterator is super sweet, but he's also super $$. While I do agree he would do well in the deck and give it more win conditions, he's also... I don't know, I guess too powerful for this level of deck. It would take all the fun out of my opponent if he didn't have an answer to him.
I want my opponent to choose to die, or of had the choice to change the outcome from previous turns of his/her current situation.
When I finally get it put together and test it out, I'll see if it needs more win conditions. If so, I'd rather put something like Flailing Manticore , since it's more themed oriented and at the same time, not a "I win" card.
With all that said, I would never disagree if someone put Phyrexian Obliterator in their deck that's a variation of this deck ;)
Thx peeps for the feedback! You guys are sweeeeeeeet!
Dude, I love this deck, but you need more creatures, like a few Goblin Arsonist for one-drop and bad choices on your opponent's head/s.
+1 from me either way.
This looks like a lot of fun. I think Risky Move could be a worthwhile addition.
I already have a coin flip deck =)
Check it out...Flip that Coin
I dunno if you would run into problems with being out-creatured, but if so, Prowling Pangolin fits
I looked at Prowling Pangolin during my initial search, but don't think anyone would sac 2 creatures to deal with him since he's just a 6/5(unless they're running a token deck or graveyard tactics).
With what cards ppl can get out for 5 mana nowadays, he doesn't seem to have enough bang for his buck anymore =(
I'll still keep him in mind though if I feel it's useful against my normal crew, and he does fit the theme quite well =)
You could consider Liliana of the Veil . Her ultimate is very much like the deck you are running.
Once Liliana of the Veil is out, i'll definitely test her out =)
I thought Prowling Pangolin said Prowling Penguin... I got so excited...
Have you play tested this with Liliana of the Veil yet?
I see where you're going, but this deck isn't designed for being discarded by her +1 up until her -6. =(
Well, I bought a copy of this deck for myself. I can't way to surprise my playgroup with it. Should be hilarious. Thanks again for the great idea. brilliant :)
Wow =0 I'm flattered! =) I wish you gg's on the battlefield and poor choices from your opponent.
If you like wacky ideas, I have a coin flip deck as well Flip that Coin. It's another fun idea that you (and especially your opponent) will have fun with =)
I've seen that deck. Through that deck is how I found this one :). Did you try out Temporal Extortion? IF so, how did it play?
I haven't tried it. I figured it doesn't really do much in the deck unless I have a silly amount of mana.
Check Out a card called Wand of Ith . Might be perfect for this deck besides the mana cost.
That's awesome! Putting a couple in! Excellent suggestion =)
A collection of the more amusing cards of Magic, and I think they'll work well together too as opponents lose life or gets nothing at all out.. This deck deserves a +1 ;)
Reanimate doesn't give my opponent a choice =D
That's a sick turn 2 for another deck though =D
Well, I suppose it does when Vexing Devil comes back into play.
Yeaaaa. I know I'm being a hypocrite by putting Lightning Bolt in there, but it's to make sure the game doesn't stall for too long. It makes it less fun when both sides are just waiting for me to top deck a creature to end the game.
I'll surely consider and play test with Reanimate though. Thx for the input =D
Haven't seen that one. I think Prowling Pangolin is the better pick for this deck setup, but good find none the less =D
i tested this deck out for real. Major problem with it is ppl just out creature you. you dont have enough creatures in this deck.
hmmmmm. Breaking Point and Killing Wave should deal with the opponent's creatures, as well as Blazing Salvo. I know it's all situational though, as it's the nature of the deck. Lethal Vapors from the sideboard should help as well. What kinds of creature decks were you up against?
Shivan Wumpus is another creature that sticks with the theme.
Lightning Bolts should also be saved to kill off the opponent unless you're gonna die of course.
The deck definitely has it's weaknesses, so I wouldn't expect it to compete with high end decks.
i dont know most of the time i wasnt dealing enough damage to them to take the Breaking Point wrath. They ramped faster thats what i think is the problem, but this deck was still a ton of fun and laughs, and works much better 1v1.
Oh! Yea, this deck was designed primarily for 1v1's. Anymore then 1 opponent would have the deck hard pressed for sure. That makes more since =D
I'm glad you enjoy the deck! I wish you're opponent poor choices on the battlefield!
This deck is hilarious! I love it! I'm thinking of buying it just to mess with my friends! +1!
THIS DECK IS AWESOME! I just play tested:
@compgurusteve They're so expensive XD! However, they are definitely an upgrade =D
If I didn't make a side board(which I usually don't), I'd throw in Burning Wish as it's a really funny card. For another deck however, we shall see!
Thx for all of the positive feedback and suggestions peeps! It definitely makes me want to make more unique decks like this one =D
Price of Progress would also be good as a win-con instead of just bolt. The need for your opponent to be at an acceptable health on turn 5 is crucial. Since it's legacy you'll hardly ever see a deck not running non-basics.
Price of Progress would also be good as a win-con instead of just bolt. The need for your opponent to be at an acceptable health on turn 5 is crucial. Since it's legacy you'll hardly ever see a deck not running non-basics. Didn't get a lot of testing in tonight so I'll see if I can get some in tomorrow. The people who've seen it so far though loled their arses off.
I think Price of Progress would end up killing me since the deck has 12 non-basic lands.
My play group also doesn't use too many non-basics, but I could see other players using it for sure =D
Please take a look at my reanimator if you get the chance! I'm hoping to possibly play it at GP Minneapolis next weekend so all Comments and or +1's are greatly appreciated. My deck name is SHENANIGANS! >:D
I like it, +1 from me.
Kind of a "choose your poison" deck.
Goblin Game? Can't say that I have. I think the mana cost is a bit too rich for my blood. It's a hilarious card though =D
I love Do or Die. Not quite on the lines of the rest of the deck but it does provide a choice.
Like what you've done with the deck. I run this deck, without the recent changes. Here's another card for you Dwarven Driller, Dwarven Scorcher, Heart of Bogardan (your choice), Nakaya Shade, Ogre Marauder, Rhystic Syphon, Tainted Specter, Unnatural Hunger
Hope some of this helps! We may have enough cards for an EDH deck... who'd be the general?
I'm back from a bad case of diablo-idus =D
@ Thatdudeabides Fantastic finds good sir! I haven't seen most of these. Not an expert at EDH, but feel free to take a look at the maybeboard as a reference to many choice cards I've come across if you'd be up to the challenge =D
Longhorn Firebeast and Book Burning come to mind the latter being marignally less useful in your deck. I ran a choice deck back in odyssey. my biggest problem back then is everyone would take the life early on to get their threats out. then I would stall out by the time they had board control. Could be fun to try again.
Doesn't fit the colors, or really do much for your deck (other than hose reanimators) but for your maybe board?? Grip of Amnesia
Yep, I've been using the maybe board for any choice cards that didn't make my personal cut. Since searching for these kind of cards is a bit tricky, I figured it would be helpful if someone else wanted to make a similar deck.
You should use Goblin Game .
Horribly confusing and gives them a choice in their demise.
Why do I love this deck so much!?
Hahaha! Goblin Game is very cute and though I don't think it's gonna make my personal cut, I'll surely throw it in the maybe board to show people it exists =D
This type of deck is really fun to make. I just spent a day or so putting together another version of it, as Mono-Red (Multiple Choice). I wish I had seen your list of Maybeboard cards beforehand - that would have helped out a whole bunch. I like the brutality of the cards you play (Choice of Damnations especially), but hesitate at the high mana costs. card:Mages' Contest and Flaming Gambit are two more for the list. My personal favorite is triggering Pyromancer Ascension , casting Breaking Point , and then Flaming Gambit after they decide 12 damage isn't worth all their creatures.
Great finds AnCarver! card:Mages' Contest is very unique especially. They'll be added to the list for sure. =D
Shivan Wumpus would fit the theme, though nobody likes to play against land destruction.
I had Shivan Wumpus in the "beta" version of the deck and though it was great getting it out early with Dark Ritual , it usually came late enough for the opponent to deal with it. Then he just becomes your next draw when he rarely wins the game alone =(
That's not to say he can't be used in a similar deck. He'll be in the maybeboard for other peeps to check out if they want to make a similar deck with different options =D
It's an amazing decklist! I just loved it xD bad it's sooo expensive!...
I'm glad you like it =D If you're worried about the cost, most of it is the dual lands and Vexing Devil . The dual lands can be replaced by less pricy versions that produce the same mana.
I'm using the maybeboard as a list of cards that didn't make my cut for peeps to look at in case they want to make a similar deck with different options =D
Mouhahahaha so evil. I did a similar deck a couple of years ago. It never really worked but it was hilarious to play with and against. I never got it to be actually good though. Seems this version works :)
Suggestion: The Hit part of Hit/Run can be very funny - and even a win con in some situations. Its a really painful choice when all you have are big creatures or big artifacts. Combined with other sacrificial stuff like Killing Wave , Consuming Vapors , Tribute to Hunger or even card:Geth's Verdict, there's a big chance the Hit might do some real damage.
@ Askani28 I feel the sac effect spells like card:Geth's Verdict, Tribute to Hunger , etc. aren't really choice cards. It's like having Glissa, the Traitor attack with the opponent at 3 or less and you have 2 1/1's to block with. Sure you get to choose which one chump blocks, but there's not another option other then blocking. Much like there's not another option except saccing a dude.
@ user:Moolet Tried it when 1st making the deck. It was cute, but overall didn't do enough for the cost 90% of the time.
Thx for the +1's and feedback peeps! You guys are awesome =D
what turn does this deck normally win on in a good hand? nice concept!
@m12fox - Mmmmmm, maybe turn 4 until the opponent scoops if it's a good hand. The average is 5-10 turns depending on what chooses they make, but it's usually inevitable until they scoop. I'm glad you like it =D
@AnCarver - Very nice find. I'll add it to the list =D
this deck is so damn interesting and looks like it be fun as hell to play! +1
Thx for the extra maybeboard cards and sweet feedback peeps =D
Urgh, gotta give one last one! Magus of the Abyss . THERE! Phew...
Good catch. Probably not for this deck, but I'll put it in the maybeboard =)
I use my maybeboard as a pool of choice cards for other people who might be interested in this style of deck, so some of these are still useful suggestions. Thank you sir =D
card:Pain's Reward is really really cool! Want to find a way to put it in my main(or side at least)!
The other 2 will go in the list. Thank you sir =D
i know that this isn't in the coices theme but Terminate is a b/r staple
I simply love the idea behind this deck.
It makes the opponent hate you so much!
+1 for me, great work
I love the idea behind this deck. Ether way your oppenent is messing them selves up. Very well built.
I play a Choice of Damnations in my oooold deck, just for giggles. Add that to the maybeboard?
It does well when your opponent is below 10 life. Sometimes it gets sideboarded, but generally it causes the opponent to scoop =)
Just forget me... I didn't read the decklist thoroughly enough...
This deck man... haha I love this deck its so... Douchey? I don't even know.+1 for sure man, im 100% done with this deck ahaha
I somewhat see your point, but I feel it's similar to having Glissa, the Traitor . They still have the same option to attack or not attack. In other words it's not giving them options they otherwise wouldn't have.
However I wouldn't scold someone who decided to make their own choice deck with those cards in it ;)
hey, you made something like this too! here is my take on the punisher style deck. i made it Grixis colors, but otherwise we have some similarities: Would You Rather...?
i made a deck similar to this as well, Custody Battle is a hilarious card to use for this type of thing
Awesome finds guys(particularity Oracle en-Vec is really evil)! They've been added to the maybeboard archives =)
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs is a fairly nasty choice creature!
Great Deck! +1 From Me
It would be awesome if you would check out my elf deck Mono Green Elf Deck and see if you could give me any suggestions. I would love input from smart mtg players.
New tribute creatures in Born of the Gods! Cool mechanism that allows more creatures in this deck, like Flame-Wreathed Phoenix
Tribute cards, not including Flame-Wreathed Phoenix , are as follows:Fanatic of Xenagos , Nessian Demolok , Nessian Wilds Ravager , Oracle of Bones , Ornitharch , Pharagax Giant , Shrike Harpy , Siren of the Fanged Coast , Snake of the Golden Grove , Thunder Brute .
Thanks for keeping the awesome maybeboard around for other players to get ideas from.I found this while doing the common shuffle yesterday and created an account just to share: Worms of the Earth Keep up the awesome!
Thanks everyone for the positive feedback! The maybeboard has been updated with the new tribute cards and older cards mentioned in the comments. Great stuff all around =D
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Oh I see. I tried Curse of the Cabal in the past, and while it was entertaining, it gave the opponent too much time to react. When it did work according to plan, it was more of a "win more" card then a necessity to win the game.
Haha, I doubt it. I made the deck with a specific theme in mind, and while it's entertaining and may even win a good amount in a casual setting, I don't think this would ever see serious play. A nice thought though =)
Wow, you must've lost your ** when Born of the Gods came out.
So ,if Curse of the Cabal is entertaining, why not play it?
@Anublet90 I was definitely excited to see more choice cards come out, though their were very few that fit the colors of this deck and were good. I might try out Oracle of Bones and see what crazy free spells I can get out =D
@octopus13 While Curse of the Cabal is fun when it works, it rarely worked and was ultimately its downfall with my personal experience. With that said, I wouldn't judge anyone who made a variant of this deck and put Curse of the Cabal in there ;D
Oh man, Blight is just evil. Though I'm not sure I'd personally consider it a choice card since the opponent isn't given an ultimatum when these type of cards are played. Also they kinda get worse as the game goes on. Dropping one on turn 7+ probably won't do much.
However lets say I did consider it, what would I take out and how many would I put in?
I like the Furnace of Rath and Curse of Bloodletting idea, but I feel the mana cost is too high with a lot of the decks damage happening on turns 1-3. The other 2 aren't really choice based and I'm really trying to keep that theme as much as possible. I might play around with the 1st two suggestions though =)
I saw that Oracle of Bones is in your maybeboard already, but I feel like pushing it a bit more. It's normally a good card, but it's absolutely bonkers in a deck like this. If your opponent makes the choice not to increase its power, they have to make a second (and probably harder) choice instead! That card is just hilarious in this kind of set-up.
I somewhat agree, but there's a few things that worry me. What would a take out for it? Also how many spells would be consistently good targets? The 1 and 2 drops are either situational or not good to cast off him. So the only consistent spells I see are Choice of Damnations and Browbeat . Granted I do have the sideboard to consider.
Mogis, God of Slaughter is great for putting on the pressure while your control stuff goes to work. He clears out whatever area they have the most of after you cast your choice spells (dudes and life).
really like the deck btw +1
How about Menacing Ogre to push your creature count up a bit?
Love this deck :D
A fun endgame twist Mindslaver , not only to give your opponent choices but you make them for him :D
Purphoros, God of the Forge perhaps? Him and Mogis on the field, oh god....
A really REALLY fun deck. It has the best of RB, cruel and burn. +1!
@ locopyro Those 2 are pretty sweet choice cards. Adding them to the list =)
I really enjoy this deck but I would suggest replacing the Blackcleave Cliffs with Badlands I haven't looked at your maybe board because there's too many cards there but how would you deal with card combos such as Energy Field and Rest in Peace ?
I feel like this deck is really fast so you don't need to worry about counterspells but they might be useful.
I use the maybe board as a pool for any and all choice cards for ppl who might like this style of deck, but would like to build it differently. So most of what's in there wouldn't be considered putting in.
Energy Field would cripple this deck. Do or Die and Tyrannize could be sideboarded in, but it would still be a harsh fight. Lightning Bolt would work too, but that's only if the opponent puts something out to target.
Counterspells are actually pretty effective against this deck from my personal exp. Especially during turns 2-4 since it relies on getting the opponent down to dangerously low life. That then makes their choices very difficult to make for the bigger/end-game cards.
Oh, I see the combo. Yea that would butcher this deck completely.
Maybe throwing in some stuff that make the other player lose life instead of damage. Or enchantment destruction.I know the Badland will really raise the price of the deck and before when I use to play my BW deck I didn't want to get the Tundras because of how much they cost but after going to a few tournaments I learned how important they are.
Oh I never really considered this a tournament worthy deck. More of a deck to torment friends with, haha.
That's probably my favourite thing about mtg.
Also before I meant UW
If you want a new card that gives choices and its a creature, try Indulgent Tormentor
4x Young Pyromancer would be pretty great in here. No matter what they chose, you get an elemental. Value! Maybe drop some of your 5-6 CMC spells for something a bit more efficient like the Pyromancer. It'll help a TON with consistency. Because after play testing several games with this deck, consistency is what is lacking. Also, if you want to use high CMC spells, Indulgent Tormentor might fit the spot better than the ones you're using.
I think I'll add 1 Indulgent Tormentor to start and see how it does since it's been mentioned multiple times and has potential.
Can you go into further detail about consistency issue? Was it the curve?
I don't know if somebody mentioned this but Grave Pact ?
Grave Pact is pretty sweet, however I feel it doesn't fit the deck too well with only 6 creatures. Also I don't think it fits the theme of the deck.
I feel like this deck could use Desperate Ritual and Seething Song . It would fit into the theme because if you counter them you can't counter future spells but if you don't more spells than you can handle will be played.
Hey I love this idea I just made made my own version that I decided to feature more creatures and focus more on land destruction and forcing my opponent to sac their creeps. Please check it out and let me know what you think.
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