first time i create a deck fully by myself, please give advice and don't break it down because it's my first try. Please let me know anything, really help a lot :)I must admit that im not rich :D so not getting tooooo expensive would be nice

Dont forget to +1 it if you like it :)

EXTRA UPDATE:For the moment i cant find thratusk, but i will maybe add him


Im still looking for some creatures with 3 mana or cheap 3-3 creatures, don't have to be some lifegain


keeblerz says... #1

Not really a fan of life gain decks myself, but this looks like a good start. I would advise putting in these cards Chalice of Life  Flip , Soul Warden ,and Serra Avatar . It is a pretty good deck for casual play.

July 13, 2012 5:34 p.m.

hespio says... #2

thanks, and what cards should i remove?

July 13, 2012 5:39 p.m.

keeblerz says... #3

Maybe the 2 griffin guides, for the chalice of lifes, and replace the venser's journal for the avatar. Not sure what you could replace for the soul wardens. You might not need to replace them because of your essence wardens.

July 13, 2012 8:44 p.m.

keeblerz says... #4

+1 btw.

July 13, 2012 8:44 p.m.

hespio says... #5

Keeblerz thanks for the info, its because its my first time , so thank you very much

July 14, 2012 4:57 a.m.

hespio says... #6

like this then?

July 14, 2012 7:53 a.m.

keeblerz says... #7

Yeah, I like it. and no problem.

July 15, 2012 3:46 p.m.

BossLeiser says... #8

First thing I should tell you is that this deck is improperly classified. I don't know what format you plan on using it in, but it's certainly not standard.

Next, a general rule of deckbuilding is that consistency is good. You have a lot of 1- and 2-ofs, which makes your deck extremely inconsistent. If you can get more 3- and 4-ofs, then you'll be better off.

Then, there's your mana curve, which is the bar graph on the side of the page. You have a lot of three-drops. As a general rule, I try to have the same or fewer cards in each cost as the one lower than it. For example, since you have 4 one-drops, you should have 4 or fewer two-drops, and then 4 or fewer three-drops, etc.

Now let's discuss cards I believe should be cut. Jungle Shrine not only ETBs tapped, but it produces an unnecessary color of mana. Kazandu Refuge suffers from this same problem. Kabira Crossroads also ETBs tapped, and seems sort of slow. Since you only have 3 Angels, Seraph Sanctuary won't do much for you. card:Ajani's Mantra just seems a bit slow. card:Rune-Tail's Essence is useful, but I'm not sure it's worth inclusion, especially in the extremely inundated 3-slot. Vorapede is good on its own, but doesn't seem like it synergizes with the rest of the deck, and the same is true with Avacyn, Angel of Hope .

And now let's move to cards I think you should add. Primeval Titan is so incredibly good with Lifegift and Grazing Gladehart . Whispersilk Cloak will let you hit you hit your opponents with the humongous creatures you'll have from your life-gaining. Loxodon Warhammer is unbelievably strong with the beaters you'll have, effectively doubling their power and toughness with every attack. True Conviction makes every one of your creatures dangerous and helps you gain life. Razorverge Thicket , Sunpetal Grove , card:Avacyn's Pilgrim, and Birds of Paradise will all help improve your manabase. Also, I'm with keeblerz on the Soul Warden s, as they are very useful in lifegain, especially with Elspeth. Finally, Ajani, Caller of the Pride would be good in here, though I realize your being able to obtain it is unrealistic.

Other than that, I would just add more of every other card. You did a really good job on this deck for your first time; it's WAY better than the first deck I made. Nice job, dude. +1

August 22, 2012 6:06 p.m.

hespio says... #9

Ty BossLeisser for the advice, ill thake them in consideration ;)

August 23, 2012 8:13 a.m.

BossLeiser says... #10

You're welcome. I understand if you don't take some of my advice, as some of the cards I suggested adding can run on the expensive side, but I wish you luck in your deckbuilding :)

August 23, 2012 8:39 a.m.

hespio says... #11

Well, im on ipad now and goes to slow, so after vacation i will change some thingys ;)

August 23, 2012 10:21 a.m.

hespio says... #12

I didnt know what type of deck it is, just picked standard because that sounds obvious :D guess i cant play legal games with it? How can i see which are legal?

August 23, 2012 10:31 a.m.

zandl says... #13

Just go to the deck editing page and choose "Casual", since nothing about this is really Standard.

August 23, 2012 11:03 a.m.

hespio says... #14

Just changed it ;)

August 23, 2012 11:04 a.m.

sabrepaisan says... #15

I like where your head is at with this deck. U agree with some of the suggestions above though. Im going to be posting a cat based lifegain deck later on that u can take a look at as well, and it is standard legal.some suggestions i have are drop vorapede due to its lack of synergy. Think about adding another serra avatar, but i wouldnt run more than 2. Ajani cotp would be excellent in here although he is pricey. Birds of paradise is a great addition here. Maybe considder ajani sunstriker because of the lifelink? But these are only suggestions. Best of luck on the deck, and i think it is a solid foundation.

August 23, 2012 12:05 p.m.

hespio says... #16

Well, i actually have ajani cotp foil , but cant update now, will update in september, ill change descriptioj so you can see my changes

August 23, 2012 1:25 p.m.

Cards I would drop:

  1. Grazing Gladehart - A bit slow and expensive compared to your other options.
  2. Shattered Angel - By the time this hits the field, your opponent will likely be curving out. That makes the effect somewhat useless.
  3. War Report - This card is too slow and doesn't gain you enough life.
I'm also not a huge fan of Lifegift and card:Ajani's Mantra. You could also drop Vorapede (which doesn't fit your theme) and Wall of Reverence (which is a bit slow).

Add more of Ageless Entity and card:Ajani's Pridemate.

August 23, 2012 2:12 p.m.

Soul Warden and card:Soul's Attendant would be nice low-cost creatures that can gain you stupid amounts of life.

August 23, 2012 2:13 p.m.

hespio says... #19

I think i keep life gift because thats an easy way to gain life, i find, For shattered angel i dont really know yet but otherwise i mostly agree :)

August 23, 2012 2:53 p.m.

Think of it this way: replacing Lifegift and Shattered Angel with the soul sisters would net you a lot more life in less time and mana.

August 23, 2012 2:57 p.m.

hespio says... #21

If you look at it THAT way... You're right :D

August 23, 2012 3:19 p.m.

It's something you get used to after building/changing a few decks. It reaches a point where every option is pretty good but you need to decide which is better. Think about it in terms of synergy for the rest of the deck, too. You have creatures like card:Ajani's Pridemate and Ageless Entity that work best when you already have fast, efficient lifegain engines set up.

August 23, 2012 3:24 p.m.

hespio says... #23

Ok, you're really helpfull. Would never been so far without all of you guys ;)

August 23, 2012 3:35 p.m.

hespio says... #24

Thragtusk and conjurers closet make an excellent combo, together with ageless entity would be awesome,,don't you think?

August 24, 2012 7:57 a.m.

BossLeiser says... #25

That would also work really well with four copies of all three different Soul Sisters.

August 24, 2012 8:12 a.m.

hespio says... #26

Whats the tihird then? Soul warden, soul attendant and what? Btw think im gonna make main base the soul sisters and few essence warden

August 24, 2012 8:18 a.m.

BossLeiser says... #27

Essence Warden is technically the third Soul Sister.

August 24, 2012 8:31 a.m.

hespio says... #28

Been working it out, gave angood idea of whats it going to be, ill try to update it as sson as possible

August 24, 2012 11:21 a.m.

Nemesis says... #29

I personally run a casual mono white life gain deck and one of my favorite cards in that deck is Martyr of Sands . She usually comes out turn one, gets used turn two, i play Serra Ascendant also turn two, and she's usually a 6/6 flyer. :P Then if i happen to have a Chalice of Life  Flip , that goes down turn 3. I'm also running a couple Cradle of Vitality for later in the game.

August 24, 2012 2 p.m.

hespio says... #30

I like your idea, but i' more looking for creatures that get buffed up from the life like ajani and ageless,n. I have a lot of 1 mana, but need some more of 3-4 , thats why i choose hero of bladehold and kembas skyguard, especially with elspeth, 1 life for each creature

August 24, 2012 2:05 p.m.

Wabbbit says... #31

I believe :D. Maybe Martyr of Sands ?

August 24, 2012 4 p.m.

hespio says... #32

Martyr is a good card for the beginning, but later in game you dont have a nig hand anymore, so thats not really usefull, and i dont like the idea of showing cards :D

August 24, 2012 4:02 p.m.

shifterfox says... #33

Playtest 1: turn 6 win. you-26, them=-4Could not cast Hero of Bladehold or Felidar Sovereign from hand. Could cast Recumbent Bliss . only 3 lands out.

Playtest 2: Turn 5 win. you-24, them=-6Could not cast both card:Conjurer's Closets, Elspeth Tirel , or Felidar Sovereign from hand. Only had 3 lands out. no disruption present.

Playtest 3: turn 7 win. you=25, them=-4Able to play everything. Still had a Recumbent Bliss in hand. 6 lands on field. Finally could cast Felidar Sovereign .

Alright, I will start off with pointing out how I judge a deck's performance in this type of playtest against no opponent.

The deck runs like an Aggro deck. In my personal opinion, that means you should be able to strike lethal by turn 4 if possible. The deck averages on turn 6. I say "by turn 4" because of goblin decks. Turn 4 Reverberate ed Goblin Grenade means only 3 mana, 1 sacrifice, and 10 dmg plus any dmg they've done already. I still hate my friend for that crap.

Picking the right combination of creatures can create fantastic synergy for this deck. My field was almost always full of 1/1s who just sat there to gain me life or would get chumped, or worse: trampled.

Next, disruption. You have only Recumbent Bliss Its a great card for this deck and I wouldn't take it out unless you found something better. However, even an aggro deck should have more disruption/removal. you would go averaging 6 turns...unable to stop your opponent's actions. That's suicide to me. Cards like Oblivion Ring for artifacts, enchantments, planeswalkers, and creatures is excellent for any deck running white. Also, Fiend Hunter , specifically 3 of them, would grant you an unlimited combo that would net you infinite life, as well as blocker/creature removal.

Thirdly, no draw. I had a hand full of cards I either couldn't cast cause were too expensive, or no hand at all to really play with. Mentor of the Meek might be handy in the deck, as would card:Hunter's Insight. Lead the Stampede might help you keep up the pressure..

Fourthly, mana. I averaged around 4 lands a game. I never had much of a problem with getting the right color. I had a problem actually BUILDING the mana up for the higher stuff. Felidar Sovereign is a great card for the deck, but not if he never sees play. Same goes for the planeswalkers and card:Conjurer's Closet. You might want to look into either some mana acceleration such as Vessel of Endless Rest . Or look into swapping the higher cost cards for cheaper cards with similar abilities..

Final Summary: Maybeboard the Felidar Sovereign for ow. Put in some creatures to net your lifegain faster first. 6-8 minimum 'disruption' spells might help, probably don't need more than 4-8 creatures max that grant you life when other creatures enter the battlefield. Use those slots for disruption/draw/useful creatures to net you faster life, increase survivability, and give you gas to keep going.

August 24, 2012 5:15 p.m.

hespio says... #34

I changed it a bit, unfortanly im not really familiar with the playtest from this site and since im on ipad for one more week i dont even know how this would work, so i wont be able to test this setup ...

August 24, 2012 7:07 p.m.

CrimsonKing says... #35

Cathedral Sanctifier can be good here.

August 25, 2012 10:17 a.m.

hespio says... #36

Ive been thinking about that, but i dont know what i should replace... Maybe i should put conjurers closet on the sideboard?and an essence warden on sideboard to? Idk... But ill look at it :)

August 25, 2012 10:21 a.m.

Azure124 says... #37

Thragtusk could be a nice creature to add 5 life upon entry and a 3/3 on leaving. Ajani Goldmane would be great to see as a 2 of. Beacon of Immortality would be great in here

August 25, 2012 10:31 a.m.

hespio says... #38

I will sideboard thragtusk and conjurers closet because they make an awesome combo i find, and will be able,to play them if i have a long game, but not in aggressive way. Anyone has some 3-. Or 4-. Creatures inshould add?

August 25, 2012 10:35 a.m.

hespio says... #39

Maybe i should add silverblade paladin, its an agressive 3 mana creature,nand if i have double strike i dont need that many beefy creatures

August 25, 2012 10:38 a.m.

hespio says... #40

Or riders of gavony?

August 25, 2012 10:39 a.m.

tempest says... #41

with Serra Ascendant and Chalice of Life  Flip , you pretty much only need 30 life to win. so the faster you get there the better off you will be. so, i suggest that you go more aggro and drop card:Kemba's Skyguard, Serra Avatar (quite expensive), and card:Ajani's Sunstriker and sideboard maybe 2 Recumbent Bliss es for 2 Serra Ascendant , 2 Chalice of Life  Flip , 1 Fiend Hunter , 1 of each of the sisters, and 1 Hero of Bladehold .

i also find that Elspeth, Knight-Errant is better than Elspeth Tirel . i say this because i have a lifegain deck (deck:100-life) extremely similar and both copies of elspeth. maybe Overwhelming Stampede for an immediate kill. Garruk Wildspeaker could help with mana too.

August 25, 2012 4:36 p.m.

tempest says... #42

actually, instead of the Fiend Hunter and Hero of Bladehold , add 2 Cathedral Sanctifier . that comes in and its like 5 extra life

August 25, 2012 4:55 p.m.

hespio says... #43

Dont you think i have enough With 2 cathedrals? They arent that aggro, i rather have a bladehold and fiend hunter then

August 25, 2012 4:57 p.m.

hespio says... #44

Dont you think i have enough With 2 cathedrals? They arent that aggro, i rather have a bladehold and fiend hunter then

August 25, 2012 4:58 p.m.

tempest says... #45

i would add those just cause it gives you more life and its good for chump blocking, but the hero and the field hunter are also pretty good. your choice :]

August 25, 2012 4:59 p.m.

tempest says... #46

maybe even LifeBurst?

August 25, 2012 5:11 p.m.

tempest says... #47

i mean Life Burst

August 25, 2012 5:11 p.m.

hespio says... #48

Guess ill be going over 60 cards then , but with my recent deck i have the same problem :D always want more ;)

August 26, 2012 7:18 a.m.

shifterfox says... #49

Playtest-Round Two!Type: No Opponent

Game 1: Turn 5 Win. You=42, Them=-3Much better on the life gain, specifically due to a combo of Soul Warden + Cathedral Sanctifier . It Really helped bump up to 30+ life so both Serra Ascendant s on the field became 6/6 flying/lifelink.

Game 2: Turn 6 win. You=38, Them=0You only drew 4 creatures, one of which I didn't use. I didn't use it because it was Fiend Hunter was was attempting to count up how much removal you'd pull. You ended up with 1 Fiend Hunter , 2 Recumbent Bliss es, and 1 Oblivion Ring in hand. 3 creatures on field..and tons of disruption/removal. This is what I like to see!

Game 3: Turn 4 Win! You=24, Them=0Turn 4 10/6 Trample card:Ajani's Pridemate using 2 Rancor s. Fiend Hunter in hand. 2 card:Soul's Attendants and aa card:Ajani's Sunstriker on the field.

Summary: Deck runs great! xD Only in game 1 did I get a card I couldn't play which was Ageless Entity . In that game you were on turn 5 with only 3 lands. It happens. It was still early game so can't really fault for that. Deck runs pretty strong at the moment. I don't know what to really suggest other than maybe to introduce a card like Honor of the Pure or some similar card(since that one only affects your white creatures, not your green ones)) for cheap that will make your 1/1 life gain creatures become legitimate threats. Bravo! :3

August 26, 2012 4:34 p.m.

hespio says... #50

Thank you again shifterfox(always thinks shitterfox sorry :D ) at home im going to look if i can get this so'ewhat modern or standard legal, probably not and if not i will keep it casual, or can it be legacy or vintage? :D

August 26, 2012 4:41 p.m.

shifterfox says... #51

Looks like modern/legacy/vintage to me since it has magic10 in it. take the m10 cards out, it becomes extended. you need only scars, besieged, phyrexia, m12, innistrad, ascension, avacyn, m13 to be standard current. you need innistrad, ascension, avacyn, m13 only for post-rotation standard come october.

August 26, 2012 5:04 p.m.

hespio says... #52

Goin to get it modern, standard is no fun, always changing :D

August 26, 2012 5:11 p.m.

hespio says... #53

Goin to get it modern, standard is no fun, always changing :D

August 26, 2012 5:11 p.m.

hespio says... #54

Anyone knows a good replacement for cathedral, ageless and rancor? Because the site says they arent modern -_- just want to know :)

August 27, 2012 10:20 a.m.

tempest says... #55

Rhox Faithmender . i'm pretty sure cathedral, ageless, and rancor are all modern though

August 27, 2012 3:04 p.m.

hespio says... #56

Ok, because the site doesnt say so... Was confused , thought the same :)

August 27, 2012 3:07 p.m.

sabrepaisan says... #57

they are.

August 27, 2012 8:39 p.m.

metalmagic says... #58

Hey man, sorry I didn't comment sooner. Thanks for the reminder, though!

If you want infinite life, a simple way exists to gain it. Phyrexian Metamorph + Leonin Relic-Warder while you have one of the sisters on the field will get you infinite life. If I need to explain how this interaction works, let me know. Suture Priest is another card that lets you gain life for your creatures entering the battlefield, but it also punishes the opponent whenever they play theirs. Finally, Felidar Sovereign will easily WIN the game for you. He gains you life yourself, and after you hit 40, which you should be able to do by the time you cast him, you win.

August 28, 2012 12:31 a.m.

hespio says... #59

Iv had felidar in it, but for some reason i never got further than 4 max 5 mana, so i did put him in side/maybebboard, is the interaction with fiend hunter and leonin nnot easier? :D

August 28, 2012 8:20 a.m.

CrimsonKing says... #60

Suture Priest could work here.

August 28, 2012 2:04 p.m.

Wabbbit says... #61

The Enchantresses Door To Winning vs. You believe in infinite life?

Game 1 was one best mtg games I have ever played. No joke. You got off to an early start with an Ajani Goldmane and a card:Ajani's Pridemate enchanted with a Rancor .That was when I got the Curse of Exhaustion + Knowledge Pool combo. I was at 2 life because of the pridemate. You could not cast spells. You also had a avatar token from the ajani. A 24/24 avatar. I had an O-ring exiled with the Knowledge Pool and a O-ring in hand. I exiled your Rancor , then exiled your avatar token. Then played a Birds of Paradise . Your turn. You swing with a 4/4 pridemate and a Fiend Hunter and I block the pridemate, taking me one. I'm now down to 1 life and about 15 lands. The next couple of turns is me somehow scrambling up some blockers. That's when the miracle happened. I topdecked a Bonfire of the Damned , hitting you for 14 and wiping your board. My next turn I win with a Door to Nothingness . That was only game 1!!! 1-0.

Game 2 was a blow out for You believe in infinite life?. You exiled and incapacitated all my blockers. Beat me with a 6/6 Serra Ascendant and a 6/6 card:Ajani's Pridemate. Bleh, 1-1.

Game 3 I got mana flooded. I needed ANYTHING but lands and I could have put up a fight. Drew 4 or 5 straight :(. Didn't help that you drew 2x Ageless Entity . a 10/8 Ageless Entity enchanted with Rancor Finished me off. Very close series, but You believe in infinite life? takes the series 2-1 :).

August 28, 2012 2:32 p.m.

hespio says... #62

Thank you very much good sir, if it was possible somehow i would LOOOVE to play against you :) but i know ill win because my deck is better ;)

August 28, 2012 2:36 p.m.

Wabbbit says... #63

Pfff! You won 2-1 and that was a deck around Door to Nothingness :P. I will say that your deck is good, but that is not my top deck :).

August 28, 2012 2:38 p.m.

hespio says... #64

I challenge you once again ;)

August 28, 2012 2:39 p.m.

Wabbbit says... #65

To do what? :).

August 28, 2012 2:40 p.m.

spartanvi says... #66

Stampede in your maybe board doesn't fit modern either. Not sure about Felidar Sovereign though, he's usually not worth it if you're running mostly lifelink (simple arithmetic). You have plenty of alternative sources for life gain so he can probably work here with some form of mana ramp. In fact, if you're only using green for Ageless Entity and Rancor and not its mana ramp ability, I'd drop green entirely and just go mono-white. My play tests echo this sentiment:

Play-test 1: Drew Plains, Forest, Forest, and played card:Ajani's Pridemate at T2. Then proceeded to get mana screwed with nothing but white cards and only forests. It wasn't until T10 until I finally drew another Plains.

Play-test 2: Mulligan (2 Forests, Ageless Entity, bunch of white spells). T6 victory with 2 card:Ajani's Pridemate at 5/5 and Elspeth Tirel . Drew that damned Ageless Entity , then didn't get to play him until T6, but had already swung for lethal damage while he had summoning sickness.

Play-test 3: Mulligan (2 Forests, all white spells). T6 victory with card:Ajani's Sunstriker, Fiend Hunter , and Ageless Entity at 8/8.

In all 3 games I drew Ageless Entity and he was useless in all except the last game. You have 7 copies of weenies that do the same thing, Essence Warden , Soul Warden , and card:Soul's Attendant. If you insist on keeping green, perhaps tweak your mana pool to include more plains and less forests and mana ramp to Felidar Sovereign; about 85% of your cards are white, yet almost half of your basic lands are forests.

August 28, 2012 3:09 p.m.

hespio says... #67

@buffy: vs your top deck

@spartanvi: ill try it and then ill report how it goes, but sure to think about it and thanks ;)

August 28, 2012 3:14 p.m.

Wabbbit says... #68

Wolfir! vs. You believe in infinite life?.

Wolfir! is only one of my top decks ;). Game 1 was just to much aggro for you to handle. You also did not draw enough plains, you had a Hero of Bladehold and a card:Kemba's Skyguard in hand. The second Immerwolf finished you off. 1-0

Game 2 you where to slow. By the time you played anything that didn't get burned, you where at 12 life and I had an Immerwolf a Howlgeist and a Wandering Wolf . You could not block me. 2-0 Wolfir!.

August 28, 2012 6:03 p.m.

hespio says... #69

Ok, but still want to challenge you for real :D

August 28, 2012 6:13 p.m.

tempest says... #70

Try Wolfir! against my life gain deckdeck:100-life and tell me how it works on my page please

August 28, 2012 6:19 p.m.

Wabbbit says... #71

What do you mean, "challenge me for real"? Sure thing w999!

August 28, 2012 6:25 p.m.

tempest says... #72

The ideas are really similar but the cards are still different. I will try my deck against this one when I have the time

August 28, 2012 6:33 p.m.

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