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Ohthenoises says... #1

you have enough vampires imo to warrant Bloodline Keeper  Flip (also is a good source of black creatures. Also, sorin lord of innistrad seems like a perfect fit

August 20, 2012 3:57 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #2

Thanks for the suggestions but both of those are a bit outside my budget right now. I'm trying to keep this deck as cheap as possible

August 23, 2012 8:36 p.m.

Azure124 says... #3

take a look at my vish kal commander vish kal orzhov commander for a few ideas it may be expensive but it is a good vish kal deck

September 1, 2012 7:11 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #4

Seems like yours is more focused on beating down with big expensive fatties. I wanted to go the token route so I would have plenty of things to sac to Vish Kal.

September 1, 2012 7:45 p.m.

elitestgen says... #5

For tokens, I'd recommend Teysa, Orzhov Scion as a general. But I'll go ahead and suggest anyway: Skeletal Vampire , Grave Titan , Marsh Flitter , Cloudgoat Ranger , Knight-Captain of Eos , and Wurmcoil Engine are all good options. All of which go infinite with card:Ashnod's Altar and Nim Deathmantle . Bitterblossom , Army of the Damned , and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite all favor tokens in their own way.

Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Twilight Shepherd are both incredibly good by themselves, and have extreme synergy when they're both on the board.

For the draining vampiric approach: I see you have Exquisite Blood but no Sanguine Bond . I'm sure you can put that combo together. Bloodchief Ascension can also be a win condition all by itself.

September 24, 2012 8:25 p.m.

To follow along with your deck, and for removal, I would recommend Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet , Promise of Power for great card draw/token, Phyrexian Rebirth for a board wipe, Phyrexian Reclamation or Grave Betrayal for graveyard shenanigans.

November 28, 2012 11:13 p.m.

I would put Temple of the False God into your main board, replace Esper Panorama for Terramorphic Expanse , add a Bojuka Bog , I know this card can help a lot it destroys my deck:karador-ghost-chieftain-23-11-12-1 deck.

Though the question is your mode of winning an EDH game, pure blunt damage or general damage?

November 28, 2012 11:23 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #8

Honestly I don't think I need any more removal, Vish Kal serves as repeatable instant speed removal (provided I have enough other creatures) and if I get Grave Pact or Butcher of Malakir out then I hardly even have to use Vish Kal for removal.

And yes I am going to add a Temple of the False God in place of Esper Panorama as soon as I get another one.

One of the ways to win with this deck is simply pumping Vish Kal up to 21 power and swinging. This deck can also win by simply amassing tokens and never even attacking, all those "you gain 1 life/opponent loses 1 life" effects can add up very quickly when there are so many creatures entering and leaving the battlefield.

November 29, 2012 2:45 a.m.

Rofelos says... #9

A friend of mine plays Karmic Guide plus Reveillark to give Vish Kal infinite counters, and with Doomed Traveler or Mausoleum Guard you could also make infinite tokens. Good luck.

April 7, 2013 8:55 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #10

I'd rather not add any infinite combos but thanks anyway.

April 12, 2013 10:28 p.m.

Lhurgyof says... #11

Blade of the Bloodchief , you can wipe the board of anything with two toughness or less at all times.

+1

June 3, 2013 12:50 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #12

Hmm, I like it. It makes Alliance of Arms and Plague of Vermin even more one sided than they already were. I just need to decide what to take out in order to make room for it.

June 3, 2013 1:20 p.m.

Bellock86 says... #13

Grave Titan could probably come out to make room for Blade of the Bloodchief . Titan is functional but not crucialto the deck if I'm looking at it right.

June 5, 2013 10:57 a.m.

jeff123 says... #14

Sanguine Bond would also be a really good card to put in the deck as it combos with Exquisite Blood , it does the same thing as the Vizkopa Guildmage 's ability for infinite life gain/loss.

July 15, 2013 3:34 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #15

I'm certainly aware of the combo but I don't want to include it because I don't like infinite combos. Thanks anyway.

July 15, 2013 3:59 a.m.

Dreffan says... #16

With Mobilization in the maybes I would think Heliod, God of the Sun might be a better pick.

+1 love anything with vish as a general

September 24, 2013 2:29 p.m.

DarkonCrack says... #17

I love this deck, it's a very nice set up If you're still working on it, I do have some suggestions. I notice that you only have the 1 tutor Diabolic Tutor and while a great card, I suggest upping that number. Things like Demonic Tutor or Vampiric Tutor are great cards if you can afford them. If you can't, at least let me suggest Diabolic Revelation which is just kind of a black EDH must (and currently going for 50 cents on TCGplayer).

Other than that, Akroma's Vengeance , Martial Coup , Merciless Eviction might be better than Day of Judgment as board wipes, the mana ramp combo of Crypt Ghast and Nirkana Revenant work well with the number of X spells you have and to get out Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter quicker after he's died, and Pontiff of Blight works really well with tokens and keeps with the life loss/gain theme of the deck.

Just some things to mull over. Happy hunting though :) +1 from me.

October 9, 2013 2:41 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #18

Glad you like it, it's quite fun to play. I would be using the better tutors but I am on a budget so unless I can trade for them I don't think I'll be adding them anytime soon. I have tried out Diabolic Revelation in decks before and I wasn't all that impressed, you need to spend 7+ mana before it becomes useful and whenever you tutor for multiple cards the rest of the table targets you. Either way I think I have enough card draw where I don't really need tutors.

I will consider adding those board wipes since I don't have any good ways to deal with problem artifacts/enchantments. Pontiff of Blight definitely has some potential here as well.

Now I just need to figure out what to cut, so if you have any suggestions for cards that seem weak or out of place that would help.

October 9, 2013 7:26 p.m.

Bellock86 says... #19

For Pontiff of Blight I wouod probably drop Grave Titan . Titan is good but he's not game winning good. A 6 drop should have your opponent going oh crap. A couple of spells extorted with all the tokens you'll most likely already have by that point can be game set match for every opponent

October 9, 2013 10:05 p.m.

mocno-bice says... #20

I love this deck, life gain and death to everyone else, how could I not love this? However I think you should change Opal Palace for Fetid Heath , in case you ever get into trouble mana screw

February 9, 2014 1:46 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #21

Thanks, I agree that I probably need more mana fixing, but I'm very hesitant to remove Opal Palace . Opal Palace has some cool synergy with Vish Kal and has gotten me out of some tight spots.

February 9, 2014 3:41 p.m.

bundyaus says... #22

February 19, 2014 5:07 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #23

@bundyaus, I had the high priest in there for a bit but I decided to take him out because he's a win more card. If you are able to play him, keep him alive for a turn, kill a creature and tap two other creatures then you're probably already in a good position and should be doing more powerful things than making a single 5/5. I would probably put Thraben Doomsayer back in before Skirsdag High Priest because he's a more reliable source of tokens and can actually help you if you are about to die.

July 21, 2014 3:14 p.m.

nrb1992 says... #24

I used to run a sacrifice heavy deck featuring Vish Kal as my commander before changing the deck completely to a life-gain variant running Karlov...

One fun and interesting combo is Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter . The way Vish Kal's ability text reads, he is able to sacrifice himself. By virtue of Mikaeus' undying, Vish Kal returns to the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter that you can immediately place on another creature before sacrificing himself again. This essentially lets you wipe the entire board of (targetable) creature threats, including indestructible creatures since you are placing -1/-1 counters with Vish Kal. Your opponent has an Avacyn, Angel of Hope in play? No problem!

Also, Kokusho, the Evening Star is also an amazing sacrifice target for Vish Kal.

March 17, 2016 5:33 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #25

It's a cool interaction for sure but since this deck more token focused Mikaeus, the Unhallowed wouldn't really do much outside of that one combo. Kokusho, the Evening Star is good but he doesn't get really good until you can sacrifice and recur him many times which isn't something this deck can reliably do.

Both of those cards are insane in my Karador, Ghost Chieftain EDH deck but I don't think this deck is the place for them. Thanks for the suggestions.

March 17, 2016 5:50 p.m.

Interesting to see a different take on Vish Karl. Nice job.

November 20, 2016 2:35 p.m.

Have you considered Cradle of Vitality? Would seem to make sense to attack with Vish and generate some extra counters before unloading on something.

February 18, 2017 11:25 a.m.

He_Who_Hungers in a token build, Cathars' Crusade is more relevant.

February 18, 2017 2:16 p.m.

Suppose so, hadn't taken a detailed look at the list. Just a card that sprung to mind when considering Vish Kal

February 18, 2017 6:08 p.m.

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This deck is Commander / EDH legal.

Cards 100
Avg. CMC 3.60
Tokens 0/1 Goat, 2/2 Vampire, 1/1 Human, 2/2 Cat, 2/2 Zombie, 1/1 Spirit, 1/1 Saproling, 2/1 Cleric, 1/1 Soldier, 4/4 Angel, Sorin, Elspeth, */* Generic, 1/1 Faerie Rogue, 1/1 Rat, 1/1 Pegasus
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