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I have been trying this on cockatrice and editing it as needed, it has been working very well. Don't forget to upvote the deck if you like it. Also feel free to leave a comment. Thanks for almost 2000 views, a more in depth primer will be coming this weekend.

Updates

Took out the Overwhelming Denials in the side for Ceremonious Rejection. The denials wern't helping much but against cat and to an extent other control. I added in dispel awhile back which might be slightly better, but i still might change those back to Overwhelming Denials. The Rejection helps a lot against mardu, especially with getting rid of ballista, and they also are favorable against temur tower more than denial cause i can counter the towers.

Currently the deck is just flat out beating most things outside the big 4. In the big 4 it has favorable matchups against temur tower and constrictor. It has playable matchups against mardu and copycat.

Amonkhet spoilers have started, i plan on updating the deck some during spoilers and at the end. I will definetely be switching up the mana base to include the cycle lands and remove the check lands.

Comments

khucker says... #1

Good deck +1 from me

February 7, 2017 10:16 p.m.

DevilNight72 says... #2

what would be your constant win con(s)?

February 8, 2017 12:23 p.m.

viperfang4 says... #3

Gearhulk, Planeswalkers but specifically sorrin, sphinx against control, sometimes kalitas. Since the last edit this deck is like 13-1 and all the edits together has been like 55-10 on win loss.

February 8, 2017 9:12 p.m.

lords2001 says... #4

I like it a lot, and it is very close to what I ran at games day.

Only thing I would suggest is pitching the 4th Baral as it is rare to get value from it, and add in another Fumigate or Descend Upon the Sinful.

Against B/G matchup it is amazing to have more wipes. I would drop 2x Transgress for 2x Authority of the Consols for aggro or jeskai matchups, and the overwhelming denials for Fragmentise or Consulate Crackdown.

Now your meta may vary, so I'm guessing there is reason why your sideboard is how it is, but against the top decks right now having extra answers is amazing. Ive run Mardu Vehicles off the table with a well timed Crackdown or Fumigate, and getting Heart of Kirin turn 2/3 can be vital.

February 13, 2017 9:46 a.m.

viperfang4 says... #5

I think i am going to take out transgress overall, it is not doing that much, that card is better in the sb of an aggro or midranfe deck. I have also considered taking out the sb baral. I have 3 cards I want to side in being Flaying Tendrils, Authority of the Consuls, and To the Slaughter. Flaying wipes out recurring threats like Scrapheap Scrounger and Haunted Dead, and can take out the early game creatures of vehicles and energy decks so that they cannot crew or grow in energy. Authority stops copycat while also slowing vehicles by not allowing a pseudo haste through the crew action. To the Slaughter takes out a few harder to reach threats like Sphinx of the Final Word. I already have blessed alliance to force them to sac things like sphinx, so that may not be the route to go, but the other 2 cards for sure would make the deck stronger.

February 13, 2017 6:24 p.m.

viperfang4 says... #6

I was also sadly unable to test this deck on game day due to me having pretty bad bronchitis right now.

February 13, 2017 7:34 p.m.

viperfang4 says... #7

lords2001 I have made the edits to be a little more effective as transgress was not doing much: added 1 fumigate, 2 tendrils, and 2 authority. This deck was doing fine against the decks you mentioned before and will now be even more effective. Overwhelming Denial is invaluable against control. Descend upon the Sinful is only ok for 6 mana. Crackdown is not needed with negate, anguished unmaking, and other creature removal. Fragmentize is also not really needed because of the above and is sorcery speed which hurts. Thanks for the input.

February 14, 2017 5:40 p.m.

viperfang4 says... #8

Part of me likes Baral and another part wants to ditch him. I feel like I want a few more answers in the deck and not him. He comes down, is heavily targeted by removal, and doesn't always do a thing. I loot every once and awhile, he sometimes edges out things with 1 cost less, he sometimes blocks as a 1/3, but I just don't know if he is a dead card in hand and when played. I might remove him to add in some more sideboard thing and pull 2 Flaying Tendrils and a Fumigate to the mainboard since I feel like I want a few board wipes in the mainboard. I could then figure out 3 more answers to problems in my sideboard which would be nice. Possibly some other finisher type card in the side. What do people think?

February 17, 2017 4:42 a.m.

itachi45 says... #9

As an avid control player muself, i appreciate this list. I'll be watching it for some time to come and see how it evolves. +1

February 21, 2017 4:56 p.m.

viperfang4 says... #10

If you want to see how it has evolved check the archive, it feels nearly finished and will have a few more changes, just some final tweaking until the next set is released hopefully. Glad you like the deck.

February 21, 2017 5:15 p.m.

viperfang4 says... #11

I made a pretty large revision, Baral was not doing enough and is now gone for some mass removal in the mainboard. The sideboard changed slightly to add 2 threat/removal cards in the white/black gearhulks and the addition of 2 dispels.

February 22, 2017 3:02 a.m.

lords2001 says... #12

I like it much better this way.

Only thing I could think of would perhaps to find a bit of room for Liliana, the Last Hope and Yahenni's Expertise as one is the premier early play plainswalker and can really do a number on any aggro decks in the format, while the other can be really solid in clearing threats and comboing off into digging for cards, throwing down that Liliana etc.

But your meta may vary.

February 22, 2017 8:05 a.m.

viperfang4 says... #13

I don't find liliana that strong in control, or at least not unless it is a delirium centric control deck like sultai control. While minusing to get back a gearhulk is nice, it is niche and its price is twice as much as torrential gearhulk. Its plus will not help that much and ult is far away compared to my other walkers. I don't like yahenni's expertise in this deck either as i don't really have anything I want to cast off it, it is a turn slower than tendrils and does not exile, and does not kill the creatures fumigate does for 1 more mana and nets me life. The card is just not a good fit.

February 22, 2017 5:54 p.m.

bunnyplasm2 says... #14

Nice deck. Been looking to build something similar. Question: No Shambling Vent?

February 22, 2017 6:55 p.m.

viperfang4 says... #15

I used to have Shambling Vent in here, I might add it back. It is a tapped land that has no way to hasten it which hurts. Manlands also got a lot worse due to Fatal Push, i have not seen any but the hexproof one actually do well since fatal push, they just die and you're down mana.

February 22, 2017 7:23 p.m.

bunnyplasm2 says... #16

Good point. Forgot about Push.

February 23, 2017 6:53 a.m.

juanitoviento says... #17

No Gideon?

February 24, 2017 7:15 a.m.

viperfang4 says... #18

I have thought about Gideon, while good, I am unsure if he belongs in this deck. All my walkers currently actually have a +1 that draws me a card to keep my card advantage going. They all also nearly just win off their ults and have removal minus'. Gideon is a bit different, he functions more as a hard to deal with creature, he would also put out a blocker with the token. I am not sure I would rather cut anything for him: he eats into my answers, my draw engine, or my wincons that double as answers. He is also rather expensive and I am already justifying getting the Torrential Gearhulks and Kalitas and don't want to fully break the bank for 2-4 gideons. I also feel he is not as great in control as he is in aggro or midrange.

February 24, 2017 7:35 a.m.

CoreGon says... #19

How would you feel about replacing the Hubs for Evolving Wilds to get more mileage out of push? I know it does hurt to not have Untapped Mama on T1 but it seems like some matchups might like the change.

April 9, 2017 7:21 p.m.

CoreGon says... #20

Btw, I think you're right about not having Gideon MB, though he is certainly great in control matchups and may be worth considering in SB? But then again, even the sideboard is pretty well tuned and may be just as hard to make cuts in.

April 9, 2017 10:52 p.m.

viperfang4 says... #21

In control matchups I will side in Sphinx of the Final Word and that is basically game as there are about 8 answers to him in standard and only about 4 actually good answers. none of the 8 are in temur colors either, so temur tower just loses games 2-3 cause they don't have an answer to it. I cannot take out the Aether Hubs, they work too well. AHK is coming up and I will be updating the deck and I am open to discussion. I might even be changing the engine/shell that makes the deck tick. I might also jump ship to sultai control depending upon what I see. Expect me to be posting updates this week, I will be posting links in my description to test decks with possibly crazy ideas and once I have thoroughly tested all my options will update the deck here. I will likely post both and esper and sultai deck as well as an izzet prowess aggro; various zombie things in rakdos, orzhov, esper, grixis, or mardu; BGx -1 counter aggro/midrange; and other ideas. Spoilers are over and brewing season has started!

April 15, 2017 12:28 p.m.

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Legality

This deck is Standard legal.

Cards 60
Avg. CMC 3.37
Tokens 4/4 Angel, 1/1 Vampire Knight, Jace, Nixilis
Folders Control, Cool Decks, Build?, Other peoples ideas, Cool decks
Top rank #10 on 2017-02-26
Views 3393

Revision 5 (3 weeks ago)

-2 Overwhelming Denial side
+2 Ceremonious Rejection side

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