Dimir Control Take on Treasure Token

Developmental. Suggestions are always welcome just try to keep it civil.

Actively looking for Ideas for sideboard. Suggestions as to what may help reinforce the weak spots in the deck


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darkestdepths says... #1

Intriguing deck! Your thoughts on Revolutionary Rebuff over Metallic Rebuke? What about some number of Revel in Riches in the sb as insurance? Too cute?

October 5, 2017 7:05 p.m.

w33m4n says... #2

As far as Metallic Rebuke I feel that there isnt too much artifact use in standard it fits the 2 drop range and counters solidly when used properly. Improvise to me doesn't show a huge amount of usefulness in that sense I'd rather just pay 2 consistently than gamble on having tokens. My 3 drop counters will just counter with no condition.IE Disallow and Cancel if needed.

Also no revel cause getting 10 counters takes tooo long 8 is better insurance and only need 5 to win with marionette

October 6, 2017 12:51 a.m.

w33m4n says... #3

So its official. Deck is ordered. Should have everything for next Friday!

October 6, 2017 1:15 a.m.

w33m4n says... #4

I'll let you all know if I make any revisions

October 6, 2017 1:16 a.m.

geekoftheages says... #5

Best of luck with this and let us know how it goes for you and how the card perform

October 6, 2017 2:07 a.m.

jubale says... #6

Hostage Taker would be ideal in this kind of deck, though I'd wait for the price to drop a bit.

October 7, 2017 9:49 a.m.

w33m4n says... #7

jubale I thought about it but my 4 range is already pretty well occupied with draw spells or otherwise the slot for Mechanized Production or Vraska's Contempt which is the sideboard slot for 4 drop. Ideally most creatures in the deck don't come out till turn 5 or 6 while the rest of the deck just counters the field as clean as possible.

October 9, 2017 11:17 a.m.

w33m4n says... #8

I'm trying to keep the deck as creature minimum as possible being that most decks in standard now have a lot of removal which will almost all be dead pull against this deck. Leaving whatever is valuable to be countered.

October 9, 2017 11:23 a.m.

w33m4n says... #9

So initial tests are showing the deck to be very potent. Played B/W tokens and it wasnt even a contest. First set 2-0 second set 2-1 only due to poor draw for land. R/G pummeler also doesn't stand a chance 2-0 both sets. If anyone else has built the deck and has been playing it let me know what holes you guys have found or any sideboard adjustments that were needed to be made.

As a note current testing was done short Herald of Anguish and Mechanized Production. Still waiting on them to show up. Negate and Prosperous Pirates were used in place

October 11, 2017 9:29 a.m.

Rex_JB24 says... #10

I'm going to be utilizing a similar list at FNM this week (obviously playing to my soft spot for Marionette Master). I think Sorcerous Spyglass deserves a place here as the shenaniganery with Mechanized Production seems too funny to pass up.

October 11, 2017 9:46 a.m.

w33m4n says... #11

Hah... You raise a valid point. Its just as funny as Mechanized Production on a Noxious Gearhulk which was the original funny backup to Mechanized Production. If only abrade wasn't a thing.

October 11, 2017 10:01 a.m.

Rex_JB24 says... #12

Abrade Hurts my soul, but it's the reason I'm not running Mech Pro.

October 11, 2017 10:04 a.m.

pantsbot says... #13

(Snall suggestion) Cut marionette masters unless that's supposed to be the actual wincon over winning by controlling tokens. Replace with tutors to get your mechanized/revel out?

October 11, 2017 10:05 a.m.

Rex_JB24 says... #14

pantsbot Marionette Master doubles as an alternate wincon in this list. A resolved Master with 5 treasures on board is 20 damage. It's important to diversify threats so that the deck isn't dumped on by artifact removal (enchantment removal not even needed to stop Mech pro).

October 11, 2017 10:08 a.m.

w33m4n says... #15

pantsbot, Marionette Master is the main win condition because technically as long as I have 5 Treasure tokens to sack with her out that's 20 Damage. And getting her out is never really an issue as far as being a 6 drop and then Mechanized Production as a backup win condition. If anything were to be pulled it would be the Herald of Anguish, but he comes out so easily and its a solid 5/5 flyer to help whittle down end game life total so when Marionette Master comes out it's that much easier to kill someone. Revel in Riches was cut out from original build because getting 10 tokens is a bit difficult as sometimes the treasures get used to sustain momentum or allow for pinch countering knowing the deck makes more tokens quite easily and will only need 5-8 tokens to win.

October 11, 2017 10:17 a.m.

w33m4n says... #16

Ok guys so since I'm running Glimmer of Genius I've had the idea of running Confiscation Coup

Getting off one glimmer then a coup could be interesting to steal some big bodies in the top end.


October 11, 2017 4:26 p.m.

ZeroKewl says... #17

So I'm running a very similar build to yours. How about Padeem, Consul of Innovation to deal with Abrade as I hear a lot of people concerned with it and while I haven't tried Padeem quite yet, I think he may be worth running in the side board.

October 12, 2017 2:59 p.m.

w33m4n says... #18

To be honest Abrade isn't really an issue. The deck produces enough tokens that losing one to an Abrade is hilarious. If it doesn't get countered. Otherwise its removing treasure map which is only other artifact and I run 4 so not really a concern to give artifacts hexproof. And his second ability i feel isnt as good as Glimmer of Genius in my 4 drop slot. Plus I'm trying to have as little creatures as possible being there is so much removal in standard right now.

October 12, 2017 3:13 p.m.

Gim says... #19

I'd personally recommend Siren's Ruse to flicker your creatures for evasion and ETB effects. It even gives you card draw on Sailor of Means. It'd probably help the most if you ever decided to bring back Revel in Riches as a wincon or decided to use a creature that drops two treasure tokens on ETB.

October 12, 2017 7:55 p.m.

w33m4n says... #20

Yeah I'm testing Herald of Anguish live but in the time I've been waiting for them to come in I've been using Prosperous Pirates and it doesh still mesh very well but I wanna see what a disruptive and evasive 5/5 can do for me as well in the Herald. Id take Depths of Desire for Siren's Ruse

October 12, 2017 8:19 p.m.

w33m4n says... #21

Well it's official the deck is a killer. Went 3-1 tonight for FNM. Played esper GPG, U/G merfolk, jund tempo, and U/G energy. Only the jund deck beat me and only off land screw in both games with a mulligan the second game and it still went all the way to end of round on the last game for a 2-1 loss. LOVE THIS BUILD!!!!!

October 13, 2017 10:46 p.m.

geekoftheages says... #22

Glad youve enjoyed the deck. Congrats. Ive been wanting to test mine at FNM but came down with the flu. What was your MVP?

October 14, 2017 1:01 a.m.

w33m4n says... #23

geekoftheagesMarionette Master for sure. Went off 6 times tonight. Herald of Anguish is getting pulled. Likely going to use Prosperous Pirates in place or Torment of Hailfire maybe. Sideboard was perfect. Did exactly as needed. Crook of Condemnation even saw action against GPG tonight and came in clutch.

October 14, 2017 2:38 a.m.

w33m4n says... #24

My main thing is nobody was expecting to see my type of strategy being played. Everyones happy faces quickly became serious and concentrated the whole night seeing this kind of control out with potent ways to win. Except one guy who thought it was hilarious.

October 14, 2017 2:41 a.m.

pantsbot says... #25

Look for "against the odds revel in riches" over at mtg goldfish. Fresh deck tech, maybe 2 days old. U could strip cards from that deck and turn it into a marionette master sac deck instead of winning with treasures thru revel. Might help u in some artifact generation as u cut herald. Revel in riches does wonderful things with a fatal push, even bontus last reckoning, with multiple revels... the treasures stockpile. Though, im not suggesting to add revel again... it might be something to test in sideboard against go wide decks with a couple board wipes as it gives u the artifacts to sac with marionette.

October 14, 2017 5:13 a.m.

w33m4n says... #26

Only thing is why bother using it if its not my win con cause I already produce 6 to 10 treasures a game.

October 14, 2017 3:28 p.m.

w33m4n says... #27

I like the pace this deck runs being played by me and so far I can say it definitely plays fluidly and consistently.

October 14, 2017 3:29 p.m.

pantsbot says... #28

If main goal is marionette with sacing artifacts to burn face, why bother using mechanized production too though? Its takes until your next turn to benefit its value, and if that enchanted artifact blows up, its a big loss. Just seems like a weak card that slows down the marionette combo in this brew.

I might cut the mechanized in favor of better artifact generation if needed, or more control spells, protection for your marionette master from removal, or even tutor for marionette.

Just some ongoing suggestions and thoughts. Sorry if I sound negative, its not my intention. Only trying to provide and discuss suggestions and improvements.

October 14, 2017 4:01 p.m.

w33m4n says... #29

At this point im pretty set on the gameplan. I dont wanna be too focused on one thing. If people are wasting spells removing treasures and mech they arent removing the means to produce the treasure and get Marionette out. So basically its fodder for the other player that can still actually win the game and otherwise feed the progress of the deck by continuing to produce tokens to keep a steady flow for treasure map when flipped to keep tempo up. Its double threat and with all the control if one win con doesn't go off cause someone is burning spells to stop it then the other will surely go off and insured it will go off with more than enough mana to have responses of the second win con going off. This deck sustains very long games. Im not even exaggerating when i say every game i played last night for FNM went for almost the full 50 min if i had to take time to get a win con. But in the end still always came out on top for the most part. Also there was no offense taken

October 14, 2017 4:18 p.m.

w33m4n says... #30

Even as is marionette goes off consistent

October 14, 2017 4:37 p.m.

jubale says... #31

I ran into a bunch of UB control yesterday. One was all cycling and Archfiend of Ifnir. The other was normal control winning off Scarab God and such. Wonder how this would fare in that mix. Search for Azcanta  Flip needs to be tried regardless. So much card advantage.

October 15, 2017 10:07 a.m.

Thousandoaks says... #32

Primal Amulet  Flip might be helpful to copy your spells. I use it in another deck with Torment of Hailfire and it instantly doubles the value of Torment of Hailfire because it creates an exact copy of the spell.

October 18, 2017 9:41 a.m.

w33m4n says... #33

I've been on and off about running primal amulet only because it does occupy my critical 4 drop slot for Glimmer of Genius and Vraska's Contempt in the sideboard so it's kind of a tough sell. Same debate has been going on for me with Search for Azcanta  Flip which I'm actually testing right now.

October 18, 2017 10:04 a.m.

w33m4n says... #34

Also Thousandoaks it comes out turn 4 then will likely take 3-4 turns for it to transform by turns 7-8. I could be done the game by the time it gets to the good part. Also running that just for Torment of Hailfireseems pointless cause not like you can double counter something for any benefit. However Panharmonicon is looking more and more useful in the drop slot to ramp up my creature entering treasure triggers and make fabricate trigger twice on Marionette Master

October 18, 2017 10:18 a.m.

Thousandoaks says... #35

Point taken. But you could also use it for double Opt / Depths of Desire / Fatal Push / Glimmer of Genius; etc. Not to mention the reduction in your spell costs.

However, ultimately, there's no getting around the fact that it will be transforming around turn 7 or 8 (maybe turn 6). I can understand why that may very well be a deal breaker; especially if your win con is sacrificing treasure to Marionette Master.

October 18, 2017 10:58 a.m.

w33m4n says... #36

It seems like its better as a late game things have gone on too long and I need to keep tempo kinda card. Where as Panharmonicon is game ending possibly cause then I only need 3 triggers of treasures to win or otherwise use the extra treasure to keep pace late game.

October 18, 2017 11:06 a.m.

Thousandoaks says... #37

Shoot, now I'm thinking of running Primal Amulet  Flip over Search for Azcanta  Flip in my Control Deck! I look for a late game win, so I may be able to leverage it a little better... and a 3-CMC Vraska's Contempt or Glimmer of Genius is a huge plus in the late game.

October 18, 2017 11:15 a.m.

w33m4n says... #38

Oh yes it is azcanta is better early i feel for moving cards but I look to end game around turn 7 or 8 at the latest otherwise I have enough Mana to keep casting out counters and stuff

October 18, 2017 11:29 a.m.

Ninjew42 says... #39

Take a look at my Ixalan Treasure Pirates Blu/Blk v3 .The only thing that beat it at FNM was an Approach deck.

October 19, 2017 12:10 a.m.

taiga277677 says... #40

I watched this deck played at an fnm, even saw a mirror match. Biggest worry is you should probs indeed maintain multiple win cons as you can easily get Lost Legacy sideboarded in against (which happened in the mirror match and other games). Mirror match was won by opponent of lost legacy user only because of tezzeret and revel as secondarys.

October 19, 2017 12:37 a.m.

Rex_JB24 says... #41

I can vouch for taiga277677s statement. Playing my version, it was super upsetting to have The Scarab God ripped out my a maindeck Lost Legacy. If he had known to target Master, I would have been forced to try winning with Tezzeret.

October 19, 2017 7:45 a.m.

w33m4n says... #42

Hence why i didnt go the tez route. Im just waiting on my Mechanized productions to come in. Plus i got sideboard win options

October 19, 2017 9:02 a.m.

nintendoluk says... #43

Is there a special reason you don't use Siren Stormtamer or Lookout's Dispersal?

October 19, 2017 10:50 a.m.

w33m4n says... #44

Siren Stormtamer Doesn't really do me much good in this deck as I don't have many creatures and I'm not often the target of a spell. Lookout's Dispersal used to be in but was taken out as I had limited amount of creatures so why have to pay 3 to maybe counter when I can pay 3 to definitely counter. However I may be adding Hostage Taker to the deck so I may include it again now as I will have a solid amount of pirates

October 19, 2017 11:10 a.m.

aleister23 says... #45

After seeing the against the odds version i made my own take, maybe check it out: Treasure Master

I would mainly add Tezzeret the Schemer He is just crazy good with this kind of deck.

October 20, 2017 11:47 a.m.

w33m4n says... #46

He's honestly not all that good in here. He definitely fits but I can definitely get more value of of a Panharmonicon for 4 mana that this would give me. Or even Mechanized Production which will make me tokens and have an attached win condition.

October 20, 2017 12:59 p.m.

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+2 Glimmer of Genius main
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