Titan Flayer

u need more ditch spells. more copies of looting and wild guess. lilliana too

July 24, 2012 11:42 p.m.

-3 Vexing Devil , +1 Wild Guess , +1 Faithless Looting , +1 Lingering Souls .

Vexing Devil does nothing for you in this. He's just 4 damage, and then you sit and try to animate something big.

Might as well just try to mill your opponent halfway and give up.

July 27, 2012 2:41 p.m.

I would honestly just main-board Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite , too. If she lands against anything but hardcore Control, it's gg.

July 27, 2012 2:42 p.m.

zandl, combine Vexing Devil with Sun Titan , and what do you get?

that's like saying Geist of Saint Traft is bad without the Sundial of the Infinite . vexing devil is a good card for this deck, the point is to get it to the grave and then start bringing it back with sun titan.

July 30, 2012 6:46 p.m.

Blade Splicer ?

July 30, 2012 6:56 p.m.

But all you get with Sun Titan bringing it back is a 4/3 vanilla or 4 damage, the latter of which will almost never happen.

There are far better choices in the 1-drop slot. Vexing Devil 's not a good card. Sorry, but trust me on this one. I've been around the block with it.

July 31, 2012 2:52 a.m.

It actually happens quite often. and I also like having Vexing Devil turn 3 after I have Nearheath Pilgrim out. It's a 8 life swing.

July 31, 2012 3:51 a.m.

And I was thinking about adding blade splicer, but mainly for money reasons I haven't yet.

July 31, 2012 3:52 a.m.

Trading Post might be nice also. Has a lot of options you can use to drop stuff in the graveyard.

August 1, 2012 7:05 a.m.

that's a really good idea. I will have to try out adding 2x Trading Post

August 1, 2012 11:52 a.m.

Try running Fling . You could have a creature in the graveyard, cast Unburial Rites , the Flayer of the Hatebound triggers, then Fling , then cast the flashback Unburial Rites , and Flayer of the Hatebound triggers again. Could be a fun little combo. If you do that with Vexing Devil with his added damage, or with Archwing Dragon and his haste, or with any of your big creatures, you could to do around 15-16 direct damage

August 1, 2012 2:19 p.m.

Trading post won't cut it in this deck, you would need more artifacts. Porcelain Legionnaire and Brimstone volley are to random as one-of's. I would drop them to help add consistency to the list. Archwing seems good but would be better as another Suntitan Target, maybe Liliana? The deck really needs at least one more land. Overall this would be my advice:

-1 Porcelain Legionnaire, -1 Brimstone Volley, -1 Faithless Looting, -2 Archwing Dragon+1 Vault of the Archangel +1 Evolving Wilds + 1 Wild Guess, +2 Liliana of the Veil (or +2 Tribute to Hunger if you can't afford that)

August 1, 2012 2:20 p.m.

I like the idea of Fling and Undying Evil Why you no use?!!! Also maybe have a way to eat the counters away from Flayer so when you sac him or whatever he comes back again! A nice undying combo. Perhaps Restoration Angel or Cloudshift Hex Parasite can easily fit! Plus he provides a way to KILL PLANESWALKERS!!!!!

August 1, 2012 2:49 p.m.

I used to have Fling in this deck, but as I continued to playtest, I found it to be too inconsistent and I would often just have to discard it. It worked really well in the right situation, but it clutters my hand more often than not.\

I have Porcelain Legionnaire in to stop aggro and infect decks. If I were to take out Brimstone Volley i would probably replace it with a fourth Incinerate .

I will try out Lilliana, but I like my mana base now and I am worried about having to tweak it too much.

August 1, 2012 3:49 p.m.

IMO lili is just necessary for this type of deck. More often then not her +1 is one sided cause you want things in your graveyard anyways. The fact that it can also kill giets, or a random fatty if it's the only creature they have is just gravy. Also archwing just seems bad, yeah it's sweet with pilgrim, but other than that it was no purpose in this deck. 4 man for a one time life swing that you will need to pay for again doesn't seem like enough of an advantage when you could otherwise be furthering you main game plan. You could prolly use an extra Sun Titan cause that seems to be as big a part of the engine as Flayer of the Hatebound . Also Sun Titan getting back Vexing Devil with flayer on board seems like big game.

August 1, 2012 6:08 p.m.

If there were more black in the deck I would recommend Sheoldred, Whispering One . Just to be funny you could add 1 or 2 Defy Death s in here for more graveyard options.

August 3, 2012 3:29 p.m.

No one has the right to say Vexing Devil 's bad. It's good because they'll let you keep it and then waste a removal spell or counter on it. People don't realize how well it works in standard

August 5, 2012 9:27 p.m.