Thoroughly Standard Mill Deck

Standard* ianknox


Singularity6 says... #2

+1 here. I'm working my mill deck as well so I thought I'd scout yours out when it popped up in the ad. Looks nice!

June 26, 2017 3:35 p.m.

Zondarian says... #3

Surely the ideal play for Baral's Expertise is to bounce two opponents cards and use it to bounce your transformed Startled awake back to your hand to replay?

June 27, 2017 8:17 a.m.

ianknox says... #4

Zondarian It's true, that's a very good use case I neglected to mention. I should have made this more clear-- my concerns aren't about what to bounce (bounce with this deck is pretty much always good). My concern is what 4-or-less-CMC spell to cast with it. Bouncing 3 things for 5 mana isn't the best without that extra value.

June 27, 2017 10:34 a.m.

ianknox says... #5

Zondarian Holy crap! I just checked gatherer and it appears that you can actually cast the thing you bounced with Baral's Expertise!

Check out the ruling on 2/9

Thanks so much for causing me to dig a little deeper, I'm taking Baral's Expertise off my unsure list.

June 27, 2017 10:41 a.m.

Zondarian says... #6

That's exactly what I meant bro. Those cards the second cast is after resolution of the first effect. At the point you are casting it that might just be game over :)

June 27, 2017 2:18 p.m.

Eredes says... #7

Unfortunately Mirage Mirror dies as a state based action if it becomes an aura as it is not enchanting anything like if it becomes a Fraying Sanity. Though you could consider Winds of Rebuke as an Unsummon with upside and can target planeswalkers.

July 11, 2017 6:10 p.m.

MTGUniversity says... #8

love mill, good deck!

July 11, 2017 6:15 p.m.

frogkill45 says... #9

Imprisoned in the Moon seems like a good option in mono blue to deal with the gods and pw's

July 11, 2017 6:22 p.m.

n4pesto says... #10

How about Brain in a Jar so you can play 2 startled awakes with sanity on board. It's no joke to mill 52 in a turn. Also you should probably add some gy hate in your sb in case of shuffle-in effects.

July 12, 2017 4:26 a.m.

Airwings says... #11

How do you find your matches against agro?

I have a somewhat similar deck, but went all-in bounce to survive that red beating in my meta, and would like some intel form a fellow mill player :P

July 12, 2017 9:43 a.m.

Zienem says... #12

Zondarian ianknox you cant cast what you bounced from Baral's Expertise. It's stated in the ruling that Baral's Expertise is still on the stack when you cast the free spell. This means that nothing gets bounced until you cast your free spell.

"While youre casting your free spell, the Expertise spell is still on the stack. It will be put into its owners graveyard after the free spell is cast. The free spell cant target the Expertise card in your graveyard. It can target the Expertise spell on the stack, but the Expertise spell will become an illegal target before the free spell resolves."

if the spell is still on the stack nothing happens to the targeted Creatures/Artifacts. If you have 9 Mana you can cast both in the same turn and get a free 4 drop but your not going to be able to bounce a flipped Startled Awake and then cast it for free because of the stack ruling above.

July 12, 2017 11:19 a.m.

ianknox says... #13

Wow thanks for all the feedback tappedout!

Eredes Bleh-- Good point, I forgot that's a curse and not just an "any opponent" enchantment. I don't love the self mill with Winds of Rebuke (it never fails I end up milling my own Fraying Sanity), but it's probably a good sideboard option against PW heavy decks.

frogkill45 That's a good call. My PW plan was just countermagic, but a little removal is also good and gives us a chance to survive if we need to tap out for a turn and they drop a Gideon or something.

n4pesto I'm not a huge fan of Brain in a Jar, it's timing is kind of fragile and I'd rather just draw another bouncer. There's also no real advantage to milling out in one shot most of the time.

Airwings I won't lie-- agro is a tough matchup. The majority of my losses in play testing with friends have been to fast zombies. I usually just side in all my creature countermagic and be more willing to chump block.

MTGUniversity Thanks!

July 12, 2017 11:57 a.m.

ianknox says... #14

Zienem I see what you're saying but I'm not sure... the very top ruling on gatherer reads "The card that you cast may be an artifact or creature that was returned to your hand by this spell" which seems to contradict that. Admittedly Persistent Nightmare  Flip can't be cast as a creature per se, but the concept remains the same.

The ruling you mention seems to be concerned with recasting whatever you bounce with Baral's Expertise to interact with that same copy of Baral's Expertise while it's in the graveyard potentially causing an infinite loop.

July 12, 2017 12:08 p.m.

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