The Ultimate Land Decimator!

Modern nickiru

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May 22, 2014

kylothian says... #1

i found more 3 cost land do Mangara of Corondor

May 1, 2014 12:24 p.m.

Tiktacy says... #2

You need to wait a turn to use that kylothian, and he can be easily controlled.

May 1, 2014 12:34 p.m.

kylothian says... #3

oh i know. lol im just kidding

May 1, 2014 1:24 p.m.

hassankachal says... #4

You might want to add a Boil or Flashfires in the sideboard. Also, an Ajani Vengeant could be lethal here.

May 2, 2014 8:29 p.m.

nickiru says... #5

Hmm, I like Boil and Flashfires , you sure they are modern legal?

May 2, 2014 9:51 p.m.

hassankachal says... #6

im pretty sure. you can check on wizards.

May 2, 2014 10:44 p.m.

nickiru says... #7

sweet, ill consider them, any other thoughts? i really want to improve this deck as much as i can...

May 2, 2014 11:25 p.m.

Tiktacy says... #8

Flash fire and boil belong as a 1 of in the sideboard at best. They are mediocre in terms of land destruction vs the decks they will be used against, they would likely only fill the spot of a riders during a matchup where it's relevant.

You should consider Blood Moon for the deck, maybe see where it can fit in and where it can't?

May 3, 2014 1:32 a.m.

nickiru says... #9

yah, i would prefer Blood Moon . Not every one has plains or islands, and if they did, i'm bombing them to th epoint where they only have 1 or 2, soo it wouldn't be much good........... I was just thinking about them , but i agree with Tiktacy...

May 3, 2014 1:52 a.m.

nickiru says... #10

ajani, ajani, ajani, hmmmmm

I have been thinking about for a long time.... I just can't decide, I just don't like him 'enough' to put him in. I may test him though just to see at some point...

May 3, 2014 1:54 a.m.

Dave says... #11

Seems pretty painful. +1

May 3, 2014 4:03 a.m.

nickiru says... #12

Thanks

May 3, 2014 1:43 p.m.

hassankachal says... #14

Peak Eruption in sideboard.

May 4, 2014 10:08 a.m.

nickiru says... #15

peak eruption can only hit a mountain, I want this deck able to affect 'everyone.' If i restrict my self to 'mountains,' ...well need I say more?

I am already restricted a bit with stuff like Fulminator Mage who can only hit nonbasics. On the rare occasion I get someone who uses a lot of basic lands and fulminator is rendered a mere 2/2 rather than start up turn 2 lando. I need more stuff like Stone Rain , or Avalanche Riders that can hit any land. Creatures like avalanche are very nice, cause they be a creature (even though avalanche has echoe, i have payed it occasionally to save my butt.)

Goblin Ruinblaster , well, he hits only nonbasics. But I have considered sideboarding him, him being a critter and all...

Thanks for the list, Scorprix, but I have used web site after web site that has a card search engine using the search words 'destroy target', 'exile target', 'target land' ect...

I get surprised when I see something that is good lando that I haven't seen before because I have done exhaustive searches, but now I believe that at this point, I have seen it all.

Again, I get surprised, please bring on the lists: I always see something I haven't seen before. Plus, word search can only go so far..... you guys, i don't doubt, know a crap ton more cards than I do and more ways to search.

(just so you know, Rain of Tears was in the deck, it probably is going back, I am just experimenting with ratios.) '-'

May 4, 2014 3:45 p.m.

Scorprix says... #16

OK, got it, but Roiling Terrain does seem viable. :D

May 4, 2014 4:40 p.m.

nickiru says... #17

yes, i do like it. I have considered making a burn model of lando, consisting of Roiling Terrain being the queen piece, Melt Terrain , Molten Rain , some burns like Lightning Bolt and such.

In this current deck, hmmm, I am not sure. It is a 4 cost lando meaning it would have to replace one of my 4 cost creatures that pop lands without upsetting draw other ratios. I have been considering it. End game, it would do significant damage....

May 4, 2014 4:47 p.m.

Tiktacy says... #18

Coercion should be added to the main deck. It is so easy for players to just hold their lands until they are ready to play a fetch and then another land next turn to have Remand or Mana Leak up and running. Letting players sculpt their hands is not something you want happening, so I would use it to give some secondary disruption.

On top of that, it can basically "destroy" a land before it comes into play.

Don't use any of that non-body 4 drop lando crap, it's not worth it.

I would add a 4th Primal Command . I can't think of a single instance where having that in your hand is a bad thing unless you are drawing all 4 of them on the first 2 turns, and those odds are statistically absurd.

1 or 2 mainboard Slaughter Pact will prove to be awesome.

Ancient Grudge , Shatterstorm , Slaughter Games , Damping Matrix , Blood Moon , Dismember . Those are all good options for sideboard.

May 4, 2014 11:33 p.m.

nickiru says... #19

I disagree with Coercion . I need my land destruction to destroy their one land drop for their turn. If I take out a land from their hand, and they happen to have two lands, then they will get another land out on top of the one I didn't destroy. I do see its value in different scenarios; however, I would rather hit land one at a time as they hit the field.

I know, the enemy always figures it out. They hold on to 2 or 3 fetches and then lay them down. But they have to spend a turn or 2, or more, to do so. I am completely find with this because by the time they start laying them down, I either: 1: get my fat dogs down and begin the killing, 2: I have enough mana on the field and lando stored in my hand to double land pop their fetches and what they bring out.

I have been playing on the web site, untap.in. Which I was crappin my pants when I heard I can face other people over the internet with my deck. I am speaking from xp. They try that tactic, which is a wise move, but by then I have converted into end game and it's too late. The most annoying so far are the control decks, using crap like Mana Leak and Remand . But, I have so many lando cards I run them outa counters, or I sideboard in my own Mana Leak and counter a counter which screws them over more ways than 2; that's why it's sideboard :D.

Honestly, I will test out Coercion , I always test crap out because theorizing can only go so far. But I predict that it will not do the job well enough.

I have heard you say it before, Tiktacy, about Primal Command . Since I recently started playing games on untap.in, I have been desiring more commands. Whenever I get one, its a lifesaver; literally saves my hide every time I'm in a bad situation; the few that I'm in. You are right about needing a 4th command. It also brings me straight to my win condition. a couple turns after Primal Command , every time, I have won. They simply cannot deal with Simic Sky Swallower or whatever else I decide is needed. I will be adding it in at some point; just got to think of what to replace, which won't be hard, i have some ideas.

Slaughter Pact lol.... I don't need critter removal. Really, I don't. On the "RARE" occasion they get something big out, I deal with it either by, have had this happen: double Batterskull on Deus of Calamity , or Progenitor Mimic copy threat, or Simic Sky Swallower is simply bigger than the flyer they can afford. Plus, Acidic Slime keeps a lot of the big threats at bay. (deathtouch.) In short, my deck deals with creatures no prob. If I were to put removal in here, it would have to be an instant speed, relitively low cost, destroy target crap: crap including artifact/enchantment/ and creature. It ain't the fatties that are the issue, its the grose, kikki-jikki flicker lame sauce 'I win' combo that should be banned for how easy it is to get out. They don't need five mana, pisses me off when they get all that crap out for far less in end step then their turn. I still beat those pod decks, if I'm correct that that's their name, moreso than they beat me, but still........ If I added removal, 't'would be to deal with that crap.

Blood Moon simply isn't good enough. I tested it, and I get it out turn 2 because it costs 3 mana, and it simply doesn't hurt them that bad. They just happen to have a basic land come down that fills one color and then they have the quantity to do something for a turn which is to threatening for me. I have won with it, but it's better to just hit another land. Color screw is not as good as mana quantity screw.

Which, just to boast because I'm so happy, this deck kicks arse. I have fought a ton of people on untap.in and many of them seem fairly pro. This deck slaughters them. I don't mean I just skirt by, it's a butcher-win. There is the occasional lose, but who doesn't draw crap hands multiple times through mulligans from time to time. I'm SOOOOO happy, luv this deck and am curious how it would do in a grand prix tournament. Thanks Tiktacy, KingSorin and others, for the constructive feedback. Please continue if you can! I still feel room in this deck for even more improvement.

Just curious, where would I go to find out where and when the next modern grand prix is?

May 5, 2014 12:28 a.m.

nickiru says... #20

also, I admit, I took out Numot, the Devastator , sad face, he was my lando veteran. But i got other goodies that have been used more.,...

May 5, 2014 12:33 a.m.

dginder1 says... #21

May 5, 2014 12:53 a.m.

nickiru says... #22

yah, it has been suggested to me before and I tested it, and if it put 3 lands on their library, sure. 2 is just not enough; and it's a 5 cost. I would rather pay for a big gun with that mana that destroys land or is my win condition. Plus what would it replace, Acidic Slime is a five cost destroy target art/encht/land 2/2 deathouch critter. Rather I have him then Plow Under .

Thanks for the suggestion though, any other ideas? I'm open to anything, :D

May 5, 2014 12:57 a.m.

KingSorin says... #23

The thing about Blood Moon is that multicoloured decks only run a few basics. You blow up them with Stone Rain s, and then you basically win. Peak Eruption is good in the side, as it's a 4th 3-mana land-kill against red, and also deals them some damage (not too relevant, but nice). Wrecking Ball I think seems better than Avalanche Riders . It's instant speed, and can either kill creatures that get through your barricade of land-killers, or can blow up lands if the removal isn't needed.

May 5, 2014 3:42 a.m.

Tiktacy says... #24

The next Grand Prix is in MN, right next to where I live.

May 5, 2014 9:26 a.m.

nickiru says... #25

Well really: I don't fight 'enough' multicolored decks that are a threat to me for Blood Moon to be necessary. If they are multicolored, i color screw them as it is with my excessive targeted land destruction. My issue are the mono-colored or occasionally the dual colored decks that require very little mana, merfolk decks and red-aggro decks. Rather than Blood Moon , I use Trinisphere . Turn 2 Trinisphere with lando afterwards is assured victory against these.

But as far as multicolored decks, who's average cmc is usually higher, I've got them taken care of well enough that Blood Moon would just be another weak point for them to exploit, giving them enough red...

Peak Eruption would be a nice side board, but red decks are few and far between that are actually threatening. With my standard lando outfit, If I whip out Sun Droplet from my sideboard, I got em. If I need another 3 cost lando card, I got Rain of Tears that I could put back into my deck, it probably is goin back in: I was just experimenting with 3 cost lando ratios. Getting the colors I need for Rain of Tears is not an issue at all with this deck because of the fetches and shocks. To have both tears and eruption would just be too much lando that would make the deck run weird, I would sacrifice end game; so that's out of the question, (tested the deck with maxed out 3cost LD cards and it slaughtered lands but couldn't kill very well. It was unbalanced)

Wrecking Ball is cool, but as I said before in my last essay, I don't need creature removal. Unless it is bundled in with, destroy artfct/encht, at instant speed, where I can deal with pod decks, then I simply don't need it. Though, Wrecking Ball is instant speed.... I am cinsidering it, but I will most most likely conclude that I don't need it. There is one card that I would rather have, Rain of Thorns , though it cost 6 I can shred art/echnt/ 'AND' and land. possible 3 for 1 card; but not instant speed... Wrecking better than Avalanche Riders ? Oh no, I just simply disagree. What type of critters is my enemy going to have, low cost 2/1, 2/2 twerps. Wrecking ball would be over kill to kill a critter, but if I hit a land then I didn't deal with that critter; what was a minor threat became a major threat. Avalanche is a 2/2, though echo, I have paid for him many times and he takes care of the little guys, either being tougher or canceling them out, or he absorbs a burn or something like that. I prefer destroy land creatures a lot more than one time use instant/sorcery cards.

Basically, in short, those cards your recommending KingSorin, aren't necessary enough and are too specialized which widens weak points in my strategy. I want this deck to affect 'everyone,' and I don't want to have to depend on a sideboard. I consider the sideboard a luxury, not a necessity. Thus, my mainboard deck is very well rounded, it is tricky trying to sideboard because I often find myself winning anyways and 't'would be to risky to try and help myself with a sideboard unless it is of absolute necessity, I fear screwing my ratios mid-tourny; I've done it before. The sideboard right now is focused on countering those low costs, mono-colored, fast decks, as well as control decks, while my mainboard kills everything else.

Tiktacy, lucky guy you got a tourny next to you. :D, where do I go to find that kind of information? The locations of tournys and when they will be...?

May 5, 2014 11:26 a.m.