Wilhelt, Grave Defiler

Commander / EDH MegaMatt13

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Minor Playtesting Changes —March 14, 2017

Really liking how the deck plays. It tends to be one that opponents don't see as overly threatening until the late game. A couple minor changes:

Black Sun's Zenith ---> Murder: I actually didn't need as many boardwipes as I thought and the Zenith is usually the most costly one for what it does. The instant speed removal of Murder is more valuable to me.

Black Market ---> Zulaport Cutthroat: With Crypt Ghast, Cabal Coffers, Nykthos, and Caged Sun, I have so many massive mana generators (and ways to tutor for them). Black Market often felt like "win-more" by the time it generated enough mana. Really solid card, but felt unnecessary. Zulaport Cutthroat will help me with the life drain theme, giving me some extra life for Chainer's ability.

Emzed says... #1

In my experience, Chainer requires a ton of mana to work properly. Therefore, i really liked Black Market and Gilded Lotus in my Chainer deck. Bubbling Muck can also lead to some great turns. It's also nice to have access to sacrifice outlets to prevent accidental exiling of creatures due to Chainer's ability, as well as some lifegain to ensure you can activate him a couple of times. Disciple of Griselbrand provides both effects and has repeatedy impressed me in my games.
Baleful Force migth be another good fatty for you, without Erebos constantly available, some more card draw seems useful.

February 21, 2017 4:34 a.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #2

Emzed, i agree that iI should find room for Black Market. Overall I think the deck has solid ramp with crypt ghost, cabal coffers, nykthos, and then thespian's stage to copy. Disciple of griselbrand also looks very solid. Thanks!

February 21, 2017 11:08 a.m.

Mindslicer is an incredibly powerful creature that trashes hands when it dies. Reanimate it with Chainer repeatedly, then sacrifice it to any of your outlets to destroy control players.

While a little expensive, Sheoldred, Whispering One is a powerful multiplayer bomb that demands an immediate response. Culls your opponents creature for reanimation, and brings back yours without Chainer's downside exile clause.

Caged Sun is incredible in any monocolored EDH deck; you'll never run out of mana to cast things, plus it gives your creatures an additional anthem effect, including things stolen with Chainer.

Another expensive but great card is Demonic Tutor. Grabs exactly what you want for the low price of 2 cmc.

Awesome decklist!

February 21, 2017 5:10 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #4

Austin_Smith_of_Cards,

Thanks so much for the feedback! I've purposely not included demonic tutor in here. My copy is in another more competitive deck. I wanted to challenge Ge myself here by not using Vampiric or Demonic Tutor. You're right that it's great though!

I don't own a sheoldred, but you're right that it would work great. If I ever get one I'll add it.

Mindslicer is a bit too mean for what I'm trying to do hehe. Generally my playgroup stays away from mass discard effects.

Caged Sun would be great in here. What should I cut for it? Another ramp card?

February 21, 2017 9:08 p.m.

I would cut either Necromancy or Grave Betrayal for the Caged Sun. You've already got access to so many reanimation effects, especially with your commander, so redundancy can be reduced.

February 21, 2017 9:54 p.m.

Podma101 says... #6

I really like the deck! I run a similar deck with Balthor the Defiled. If you're looking for great ways to fill graveyards, might I suggest Mesmeric Orb and Perpetual Timepiece? Orb can be a rediculously powerful card if you are careful. Not to mention it can easily deck those pesky token decks or anything that likes to tap/untap infinitely. Timepiece allows you to fill your own graveyard nicely, and gives you a failsafe if someone tries to remove your graveyard or you really want something out of it that Chainer can't get back.

February 22, 2017 11:58 a.m.

bushido_man96 says... #7

I like this deck! Love the removal an recursion theme. +1, and I think worth building something like it. Another good reanimate card you can target other graveyards with is Ashen Powder.

February 22, 2017 1:18 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #8

Austin_Smith_of_Cards, I've put in Caged Sun. I've also partially changed my mind on the number of tutors. I swapped Vampiric Tutor back in hehe.

Podma101, I really like your deck too :) I have Mesmeric Orb and Perpetual Timepiece in my Gisa and Geralf: Siblings of Self-Mill deck and love them. Just to have difference between the decks, I think I'm going to avoid doing much self-mill in this one.

February 22, 2017 3:43 p.m.

venok says... #9

Where is No Mercy

February 23, 2017 2:53 p.m.

F.R.F says... #10

An unsung MVP of my own Chainer deck has been Infernal Tribute. The cost is pretty sweet for devotion and being able to sacrifice artifacts, enchantments or lands can catch people off guard since black can't usually do that.

February 24, 2017 1:07 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #11

F.R.F, nice suggestion. I'll look into getting one. More sac outlets are always good and I like the black devotion.

venok, I really like No Mercy. However, this really isn't a pillowfort deck. I have a copy of it in my Marchesa, Political Queen of Pillows where it is at home :)

February 24, 2017 1:58 p.m.