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C17 Update!!! 7 Big Changes! 212 Upvotes!!! —Aug. 14, 2017

Commander 2017 Update!!! (and others...)

The Altar for an Alter! Phyrexian Altar is pretty much an auto includes, but it took me a few weeks of play-testing to fully realize it. Although it might not fit in every one’s play-style, it is great for most. Although it is a great combo card, it also ramps, and protects your stuff from exile effects. This of course means no commander tax ever!

This deck is running very few non-black permanents, making devotion an amazing thing!

Summons is good on paper, but almost always underwhelming. Also, any blue/black player can tell you how nice it is to cast something from the graveyard. In playtesting, Plunder has won me several games.

Reaper is just a bad version of the commander's ability. Although not a zombie, that mill that comes with Dreamborn Muse is VERY valuable! I already lived the dream and won by kicking Rite of Replication on it... lol

Polluter ended up being VERY underwhelming also. Much better in 1v1 commander. Discovery on the other hand is likely the best tribal spell EVER printed!

I felt very counter heavy during my play testing. I also think the Lich is to cool not to at least give a chance!

Ranks ended up bring a deck card almost every time. I thought Horn was worth testing because it doubled as a mana rock and a potential draw spell. Hitting a draw about 1/3 of the time is not to bad for a rock! However, with The Scarab God's scry ability, you will almost always hit a zombie!


Some of these changes were a long time coming, sorry for the delay, I just wanted to get some play-testing in! What do you think about my Commander 2017 changes???

VexenX says... #1

I am VERY impressed with all of the suggestions! The problem that I am facing with this deck is how many ways there is to build and play it!!! Although you can easily cut most/all zombie lords and just focus everything on The Scarab God's ability, that is not what I am trying to do in this build quite yet. This list can win without him in play, with a horde of zombies. However, this does not mean other versions of this deck are not viable! I am just giving this tribal thing a try before I make any crazy changes.

mikeintosh: I ended up cutting Overseer of the Damned... it is pretty cool card, but 7cmc was often to much. There is better removal for less. It is a really cool card though.

Paradox Haze just wins, hands down. After much playtest, it is here to stay.I am almost never upset with drawing it, and a card that says "remove me now, or I win" is a dang good card if you ask me!

LittleBlueHero - Thank you for the comment and the upvote! Misthollow Griffin is great in this deck, but falls under that category of non-tribal cards that this list is not quite ready to play.

Odysseus_97, mikeintosh and man1ac: Thank you SO much for the well throughout comments to my update! I weighed them heavily as I did this update! You guys are truly amazing for taking the time out to write so much on this list! What are your thoughts on my final changes???

TDK: You are totally right about Phyrexian Altar. Once I get a copy, and find room for it, it will be in here!

July 22, 2017 2:43 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #2

Like all the changes. Your average CMC is very efficient now. It's inspiring me to consider some changes to my deck.

I agree that burnished hart and Solemn would be great in here. For potential cuts: how effective is Gisa and Geralf in here? Also, maybe talisman of dominance if you're looking to swap one ramp card for another.

July 22, 2017 2:49 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #3

Congrats on being the highest Zombie EDH deck! :)

July 22, 2017 2:55 p.m.

VexenX says... #4

MegaMatt13: My Avg CMC is even better then you might think, because Curtains' Call and Gempalm Polluter are not really 6cmc when you think about it, which leave only Grave Titan, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Rooftop Storm at 6cmc in the deck. I top off with Army of the Damned of course, but that is way to good to remove!

There has been some discussion about removing Rooftop Storm, but it has done VERY good in my experience. My hand is OFTEN full because of all my draw, as well as my opting to use The Scarab God's reanimate instead of casting spells. Rooftop Storm allows me to save many for that ability, which really is a big deal in this deck! I am running 20 zombies, which seems like enough to keep it in.

Daedalus19876: Thanks man! The Scarab God has really allowed for tribal zombies to really be a power-house in commander. Both Grimgrin, Corpse-Born and Gisa and Geralf are good, but they have nothing on the power level of The Scarab God!!!

July 22, 2017 3:05 p.m.

WUBRG97 says... #5

TDK: OMG, i know its stupid but had to comment on how great of a suggestion cutting Chromatic Lantern for Phyrexian Altar is, just wow. Opens up combos and still serves the mana purpose, just thumbs up man.

VexenX : First of all, congratulations on the best zombie EDH deck on tappedout, you deserve it for putting this much work into it :) And i am also going to build one zombie deck with scarab god, it might be an exact copy of this deck, why mess with the formula ;). Love the amount of zombies, not to many but not to few, great token abilities, not only clean 2/2 zombies but zombie token with abilities :D And can win without its commander which is so nice to be able to do either through draining life, milling or just smash them in the face with zombies.

Now on your recent update.

First of all Phyrexian Altar, im glad to see you adding it soon, it goes so well with Gravecrawler and unlocks so many combos, most have already been posted but my list is over 20 combos with the two of them, crazy. And with The Scarab God Scry ability, you will find those two so freaking fast.

Chromatic Lantern out for Damnation: Agree, Not that useful in 2 colours, you will rarely start with mono coloured mana in your hand. Damnation is a great boardwipe, and there should always be included board wipes in EDH decks, and as you mention it fills the grave. There is still the Zombie friendly board wipe with Noxious Ghoul you could consider if you think about replacing a zombie.

Overseer of the Damned out for Fleshbag Marauder: Sad to see Overseer of the Damned go, it such a good card, but because of the CMC it just doesn't work. It is very expensive and not a zombie which also takes it a bit down. Fleshbag Marauder on the other hand is a zombie, removes more than Overseer of the Damned on the enter the battlefield effect, even though you dont get to choose, but playing it early will not often give other players a choice :)

Risen Executioner out for Undead Alchemist: Great swap. Risen Executioner as you say is the most expensive and worst lord. Completely agree on the arguments about Undead Alchemist, if only the exile had just let them stay in the graveyeard it would have been nuts. But it is still powering up your commanders triggered ability which seem more mana friendly than the activated ability, and a bit more healthy for you being one step ahead in both life total and knowing what you will be getting from your topdeck the next several turns. And if somebody removes it for the life drain effect, oh no what will i do with my 20 zombie tokens...swing.

Nim Deathmantle out for Gempalm Polluter: Yeah, the mana needed for Nim Deathmantle always seemed to high for me, awesome effect but for 6 mana there are better things to use the mana on. Gempalm Polluter seems really good, if only for its cycling its still amazing it can be a instant target player dies :)

Psychic Strike out for Rewind: I would say strictly better counterspell, great swap. Nice having four mana open, and it will also be able to generate an extra mana with Dimir Aqueduct or if you included Temple of the False God could in a rare instance generate 2 more mana :)

Dictate of Erebos out for Curtains' Call: Seems like a fine swap, more removal is always good, and Dictate of Erebos always seems like a little to expensive and you already have the same effect with Grave Pact.

Rings of Brighthearth out for Illusionist's Bracers: Seems like a good budget cut too. Buy yeah, keeping mana open, which is nice, and actually cheaper than the rings if you want 4 triggers :)

Rings:

4 mana for the ability = 1 trigger (4 mana total)

+2 additional trigger = 2 triggers (6 mana total)

+2 additional trigger = 3 triggers (8 mana total)

+2 additional trigger = 4 triggers (10 mana total)

+2 additional trigger = 5 triggers (12 mana total)

+2 additional trigger = 6 triggers (14 mana total)

Bracers:

4 mana for ability + extra trigger = 2 triggers (4 mana total)

4 mana for ability + extra trigger = 4 triggers (8 mana total)

4 mana for ability + extra trigger = 6 triggers (12 mana total

But yeah, great swaps :)

My last considerations is Noxious Ghoul for the zombie friendly board wipe.

Phyrexian Altar which you are going to include, which is good :D

Yeah, thats all i got, great deck, thanks for the appreciation of the suggestions, really nice to see one appreciating them :)

July 22, 2017 5:02 p.m.

man1ac says... #6

VexenX Thanks! Always happy to help. I really liked your idead and I wanted to build him anyway so I kinda tagged along and play the deck 90% similar to yours. In my playgroup you have to be very careful with infinite win Combos so I will pass Phyrexian Altar. Since my Plagroup ist mostly 3 guys I will skip Curtains' Call as well. For 4cmc I think there is better removal.

I kinda dislike the Undead Alchemist cause as long as he is on the field you contradict The Scarab Gods Ability. That I dont like. I think 1-2 specific Token are way more valuable than just a massive 2/2 Zombie Horde. (If you hit a Wrath ALL Cards will be gone and Scarab God is nearly a 5/5 Beatstick and nothing more.)

I already tried Noxious Ghoul and I am undecided cause removing 1/1 Tokens is his main thing. Its hart to get >1 Zombies per turn into game without Gravecrawler.

July 23, 2017 10 a.m.

man1ac says... #7

Regarding the direct Removal Dismember and/or Murderous Cut may be worth something. Especially the Cut may come quite cheap...

July 23, 2017 11:02 a.m.

mikeintosh says... #8

Hey guys, played some more games with my playgroup and came with some more observations:

1) non-black-claused removal sucks. Black is very popular color in Commander so you have to have non-conditinal removal. Out - Snuff Out, In - Rapid Hybridization

2) Enchanments can be bane of this deck. Our playgroup play a lot of nasty enchantments like No Mercy, Bloodchief Ascension, Painful Quandary and other stax and prison spells. Having a way to get rid of those is essential. In - Nevinyrral's Disk and Aura Thief. Cant wait to steal those nasty enchantments

3) Vengeful Pharaoh keeps impressing me. An prison effect that is hard to deal with.

4) With more games I find gravehate more and more essential. Scarab provides some hate but you need to have a way to get rid of cards other than creatures. Withered Wretch is great for that.

5) Lords that dont do anything besides +1/+1 underperforms. Axed Cemetery Reaper. (clashes with our commander).

@man1ac I really dont like dismember, misses a lot of targets. Murderous Cut seems good but before considering it I would go with Pongify and Rapid Hybridization first.

July 24, 2017 5:13 a.m.

WUBRG97 says... #9

Question: Why run Bojuka Bog Isn't it a nonbo with your commander and the deck?

July 24, 2017 11:23 a.m.

mikeintosh says... #10

@Odysseus_97 sometimes its just better to get rid of the graveyard altogether. Say somebody plays Glissa, the Traitor or Daretti, Scrap Savant. You need to hate out their whole graveyard rather than picking their weak creatures. Many times Bojuka Bog can be a game saver.

July 24, 2017 12:16 p.m.

WUBRG97 says... #11

mikeintosh: See your point, my friend actually has a Daretti, Scrap Savant deck, a Bojuka Bog would be nice in that situation. Thanks.

July 24, 2017 12:20 p.m.

Its been fun watching this deck evolve over the past month. I've always liked tribal/gimmick decks and zombies tends to be up there in viability.

@Odysseus_97 - Yes Bog is something of a nonbo, but it only hits 1 graveyard and can shut down something like Meren of Clan Nel Toth, which can abuse graves far more effectively.

@Vexnex - I see that Phyrexian Altar is in the list of things your trying to add. Personally I would remove Mana Crypt. You should have enough ramp with Cabal Coffers, plus there's not really anything to abuse crypt by untapping it (I could just be bad at noticing things, if so.... oops.) Altar also gives you mana so..... If your really worried about having enough mana then possibly put in Magus of the Coffers. This card Seriously needs to be in a zombie storm deck. Just the combo with Gravecrawler for infinite ETB and leaving effects makes it necessary.

My next suggestion helps with mana too. Remove a swamp and put in Some Tasty Snacks. You have 15 permanents with and 2 with . Getting positive on devotion will be a breeze.

Another thing is Phenax, God of Deception. How often do you actually use his ability? I just feel that Grimgrin, Corpse-born's utility for spot removal or Sheoldred, Whispering One's general ridiculousness would be more consistent.

Last comment will be on Exquisite Blood being in the maybe board WITHOUT Sanguine Bond making a showing as well. The instant win mechanic the two cause is just too powerful to ignore.

July 24, 2017 12:22 p.m.

Sorry about the double post but I forgot to mention Contamination. Yes this will prevent making extra mana, yes it requires a sack each upkeep to stay out, yes it will get you targeted by everyone in the pod instantly (that's experience talking), but this can easily just shut out multiple decks in a game. The moment you get this out when playing against a mono blue control. Never has there been a more satisfying moment. Except maybe against a 5 Color that just got a Lantern out.

Also sorry about misspelling your username VexenX

July 24, 2017 12:32 p.m.

WUBRG97 says... #14

The_Dark_Adonis:

Completely right about the whole graveyard, blanked out for a second i guess :p

Cutting Mana Crypt might be an option, its really powerful so it should be one of the last cuts, but it as you say depends on the mana problems. But i do completely agree with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx since the card cost of the deck is 72% Black, so the devotion is good enough to make it worth.

I am also curious about Phenax, God of Deception, he seems really amazing, but i dont know how well he pays off, that is probably something Vexenx can tell us about :)

The reason Exquisite Blood is in the maybeboard without Sanguine Bond is because it combos with The Scarab God. Sanguine Bond does combo amazing going infinite with Exquisite Blood, but if its the only of the 2 cards you get, you rarely gain any life in this deck. Exquisite Blood is good on its own, good with The Scarab God and good with Sanguine Bond. The Scarab God is good on its own and with Exquisite Blood, Sanguine Bond is really only good with Exquisite Blood, nothing else in this deck.

July 24, 2017 12:38 p.m.

man1ac says... #15

Since I made nearly 20 games in the last week I can give some insight on Phenax, God of DeceptionI made only 2-3 times use of his ability, I kinda liked the 4/4 indestructible Beatstick :D But that makes me realise that he is maybe a good cut option (I'll add some removal)

I totally agree on Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx - will swap it right in there for a Swamp

July 24, 2017 12:52 p.m.

Didn't really think about the synergy with the rest of the deck on Sanguine Bond. That's really a good point. It's a dead card without only a single card.

As for Phenax I believe the idea is to turn a bunch of tokens sideways with his ability to mill someone out. The thing is I've always had opponents who either run an anti-mill mechanic or enough wrath effects to prevent tokens getting ridiculous. It does make sense in theory, but in practice it can fall flat. Maybe I just play with a bunch of control players..... ugh, Thoughtpicker Witch.

July 24, 2017 12:58 p.m.

baddkaarma says... #17

Question not regarding the list... How are you guys keeping track of the "eternalized" cards when playing paper magic?

July 24, 2017 5 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #18

baddkaarma, I have just been using the original cards with 4 counters on it (to signify it's a 4/4). Then when the creature is removed I'm moving it into the exile zone.

July 24, 2017 5:29 p.m.

man1ac says... #19

I tried something else with my Plotter and some bags I had lying around.Dunno if this will work:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1eCRU6PyWbPMklJb2w4OUx4Nnc/view?usp=drivesdk

July 24, 2017 6:08 p.m.

baddkaarma says... #20

MegaMatt13 and man1ac thanks guys, I'm doing similar with my own cards when eternalizing, but ran into someone that wasn't comfortable with me sleeving one of their cards, which I understand, since technically their card should be in exile.

July 24, 2017 8:59 p.m.

VexenX says... #21

man1ac: OMFG! THAT IS PERFECT! That is pretty much exactly what I wanted! How can I buy like 20 of them?!

Sorry I dont reply during the day, I am in the military, and the government computers won't let me, and I have no phone coverage where I work.

Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx will be in here soon. Thank you for the suggestion!

Phenax, God of Deception has been doing work for me. There are games that I can't swing down with my zombies, or just want to sit back and play more control-like. Will all of the Zombie lords in my list, I mill for quite a bit right before my untap-step! Although the goal of this deck is not to mill win, this God allows me to dig deep for Scarab God, and it a beast to boot! It might get cut at some point, but Idk if I am willing to yet.

The_Dark_Adonis: Exquisite Blood seems VERY interesting, but Idk if/how to fit it. 5cmc is a lot for a semi company conditional ability. I think I just have to try it and see!

Thank you for the comments and upvote!

Tomorrow I am trying to post the Combo list tomorrow. Let me know if i am missing anything!

Also, I am looking for adding some alternate lists to the Primer! If you have a different build that you would like for me to feature, please let me know! I am looking for lists builds that are as different from mine as possible, to show the different options out there! Stuff like heavy control, mill, or even a non-zombie one! I look forward to seeing the verity!!!

July 24, 2017 9 p.m.

man1ac says... #22

VexenX I can make you 20 and send them to you. Even from (I suggest) Germany to USA this should not be hard.

Just add me at FB (https://www.facebook.com/man1acc) and we will work on something.

July 25, 2017 4:29 a.m.

mikeintosh says... #23

For tokens I actually plan to print special rectangual counters on a 3D printer we have at work. Will post results once done.

July 25, 2017 4:38 a.m.

PurePazaak says... #24

y'know, I just gotta say, VexenX, I simply love your energy! Your responses to comments are great; I can tell you truly appreciate the input. Keep on being you! xD

July 25, 2017 6:29 p.m.

VexenX says... #25

mikeintosh: I'm looking forward to see how those turn out! Sounds really cool!

PurePazaak: Thanks for the complement man! I have put a ton of effort into this last, and it is really cool to see how many people like it and take the time out to write detailed comments! I know from experience that life can be really busy, so taking that time out of your day means a lot!

July 26, 2017 9:17 a.m.