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The "Roulette" Format
With the split cards I would say no, but all the rest are usable. I'm just looking at the starting cmc ( so the one side would be breaking the rules). Thanks for asking! I hadn't even thought of splits so it's probably good u asked.
Sounds fun, i'll probably spread the word. +1
What's this format called? I really like it!
Roulette
Like Russian Roulette
Epic idea, dude. I've been tossing around an idea I had similar to EDH as well, though it probably isn't as great as this. Spreading the word! +1
What do you guys think? Should Tarmogoyf be allowed?
It certainly has the potential to be very powerful in a format such as this, but I'd be surprised if it overwhelmed everything else that is allowed in the format. Not to mention that since most burn, counterspells, and removal are still playable, creatures won't be too hard to deal with.
That's what I was thinking after I posted it. I don't think it will be the powerhouse that it usually is. Thanks for commenting!
Now what about Spell Snare ? It's such an easy counter for half of the format. I'm not sure that it should be allowed
I think that Spell Snare can easily be banned. This is supposed to be an agressive format anyway, so losing a counterspell or two shouldn't affect anything too much.
are lands allowed in your clip
benzzer853, yes they are. There are many different stratagies you can use within the clip. If you want your deck to be filled with more spells and creatures than thats a great thing to do with your clip.
Is Hermit Druid banned for a good reason or just because it's on the banned list for legacy what about Survival of the Fittest .
Chalice of the Void is REALLY BROKEN so is AEther Vial
ya sorry to do this to you but I think your definitely right. I'm going to have to ban those two.
Chalice of the Void isn't that broken, as it affects all players. So I don't think it quite deserves a ban. Unless I'm missing something that makes it broken?
AEther Vial , however, should certainly be banned.
I think you're underestimating it. If you play only one drops and put it in your clip as a 4 of, you stop alot of other decks completely by stopping pretty much all of their removal, counters, they may have put most of their creatures that would really matter in the 2 drop slot, etc. Or it could be a control thing, have only 2 drops, and mass control the game by auto stopping all 1 drops and using countering on all 2 drops that will actually hurt them.
I guess I didn't really consider building a deck like that. A ban still feels a little overkill for such a restricting card. Perhaps just make it restricted (as in banning it from the Clip)?
eh. I think most people would just rather not have to deal with it.
I don't quite follow what happens with the 50 card chunk.
Does it become a new deck? Or does it become a hand?
Fair enough.
I can see man lands being huge in this format. Celestial Colonnade comes to mind...
Also, if someone DOES make a control deck it will probably involve Bloodchief Ascension + Mindcrank and a ton of killspells
I can see a deck with a clip of 3x Bloodchief Ascension 3x Mindcrank and 4x Basilisk Collar and going with burn maindeck.
Is there a color limit? (like EDH)
ZeldaAdlez the 50 card chunk is taken off, the clip is then added to it, and it is played as a 60 card deck(really confused as to how it translated in your head as a hand not a deck but oh well). Ohthenoises no there is no color limit. The only things edh and this have in common are the singleton rule and the exactly 100 card deck.
You can't use bonfire anyway because it's cmc is 3, saying it's banned is stating the obvious. Just saying.
? what r u talking about? Its xxR so its considered a 1cmc. Idk what ur talking about, but don't make it sound like I'm the idiot
X is considered 1 cmc if i'm not mistaken, unless they changed that recently. XXR=3 and since when is X=0? I know it may be casted as 0 but the cmc used to be considered 1 per mana symbol. Making it 3. And i wasn't trying to make an idiot out of you
Look at gatherer. Bonfire of the Damned.
The ruling of X in mana costs says that on the stack it counts the X in the cmc, mostly because of Mental Misstep and cards that restrict certain mana costs, that's why i questioned it.
When the spell is not on the stack X counts for 0. While the spell is on the stack X counts for X (the amount of mana you spent).
For instance, If you cast card:Green Sun's Zenith where X = 3, the spell's cmc is 4 (X+1). However, while the card is in your hand, graveyard, library, exile, etc., X = 0. So the cmc is 1 (X+1).
The same is true for XX spells. Just that if X=3, the the cmc is X+X+Y (where Y is the initial cmc) or 6+Y. (In the Bonfire of the Damned example, it would be 7; 3+3+1).
Mental misstep should get the hammer too.
Mental Misstep is already banned, as the format uses the Legacy ban list.
yep. without the banlist im sure there would be clips of 4x Chalice of the Void 3x Mental Misstep 3x Spell Snare. Oh just realized couterbalance is rediculous as well.
What about card:Sensei's Divining Top?
umm.... the only thing I know thats used with is counterbalance so i think without it its not too great. Then again I don't really know much about legacy I'm a standard player.
I was more asking about your opinion of the powerlevel of card:Sensei's Divining Top without Counterbalance (which does reduce it quite a bit); not so much calling for a ban, as I'd really like the card to be in this format. I think it will allow Control to be possible, but not overwhelming; so, as it stands, I don't think it should be banned.
sooo doing a little bit of thinking today, Affinity would and WILL be stupid. 90% of all affinity decks mana curves top out at 2 anyway.
Arcbound Ravager will be the largest culprit IMO.
and Cranial Plating
I don't think that Affinity will be that good, because the format will make it a bunch of 1-ofs and probably have a wonky mana base.
Except that the clip can be 4x, so you do the core. 4x Arcbound Ravager 3x Mox Opal and 3x Cranial Plating . Then you have the main deck be a ton of artifact lands as one of s and a ton of modular creatures.
I just can't imagine it being that powerful. Most of the time you will lack the proper opening hand to really put on the pressure that Affinity needs to put on. Besides, there aren't that many artifact lands, and if you play none of them in your Clip, you might not even have access to them. However, I will say that Cranial Plating and Arcbound Ravager may be good enough on their own to warrant a ban, but I'm not 100% sold on that.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it just feels like a poor archetype for this format. I'd very much like to see a list, if you make this deck; as I am curious to see if it would work.
On a separate note, Smother may need a ban. Thoughts?
Im not saying it deserves a hammer just that it will be good.
Arcbound Roulette something silly. I just did a copy paste from gatherer searches. No idea how it will run but it's just to show you how something MIGHT look.
I don't know that smother is that hoplessly broken. Yes its a 2 cost Murder in this format, but there is alot of rediculous creatures as well. I feel like maybe just a restriction to just the maindeck might be in order. Idk I'll leave it up to you guys. First three people after this post that say yay or nay about it will be the determining factor. two yays and it will be banned.
I'm totally fine keeping Smother around, just thought it should be brought up. Restricting it is probably the best idea, at least for now.
Ya screw it im just gonna restrict it.
UniTheDino says...
Very interesting format.
A few questions:
August 14, 2012 3:23 a.m.