Goddamn Mongorians! Temur EDH *P*

Commander / EDH* SwineAlchemist

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Dec. 11, 2017

I made some changes to my original deck after the help from FireToBurn and multimedia. It isn't still the best deck probably, but thanks to that I finally made a winning streak of 5 matches in a row (only with my very casual playgroup), so I'm pretty happy with it.

FireToBurn says... #1

I had the same problem in my first deck which was a landfall deck. I had a lot of big creatures but most of mine were 6 drops just like my commander. Therefore im missed the mana to do more than just 1 thing in each turn.

What I'm missing in your deck are rampcards. You have ramp in the form of Signets and a few cards such as Rampant Growth and Kodama's Reach but its too little for what your have on creatures and you have green in your commander and that's the best color to fix your manabase.

I have some suggestions for your deck but keep im not great at building decks myself so some others might find better cards for your but im trying to help you. So here are some cards I would suggest, don't add all of them but just to give you an idea of what is possible:

To search for Basic lands/lands:

-Khalni Heart Expedition

-Explosive Vegetation

-Cultivate

-Sylvan Scrying

-Traverse the Ulvenwald

-Harrow

For creatures I don't really see a trend in what your idea is with. Maybe if you could explain that, I can help you with it. What I am seeing is that you have a few big ones but you need to wait so they can do something. A few nice creatures which are always nice:

-Sakura-Tribe Elder

-Avenger of Zendikar Good with your beastmaster ascension

-Solemn Simulacrum (Often used in EDH)

Some extra suggestions:

-Myriad Landscape for some extra basics

-Terramorphic Expanse Same as evolving the wilds

-Sol Ring Often used in EDH

Cards I would remove or change for something better since it does too little in EDH or your deck:

-Vandalize for Vandalblast Land destruction is not really needed in EDH and this lets your destroy 1 artifact for 1 red and overload it to destroy all artifacts for the same manacost. Even your own artifacts are safe with this one since its "you don't control"

-Lava Spike Change this for a ramp card, it does too little in your deck

-Electrolyze for Blasphemous Act if you want to kill some creatures/board wipe, this can potentially be only 1 red. If you don't want to do that then change it for a ramp card

-Dragon Tempest for Fervor Gives haste to all creatures you control. It misses the damage from dragons but makes up for it if you cast a non flying big creature.

-Ongoing Investigation Bit of a random card in my opinion in your deck

-Overwhelming Intellect for Counterspell Does pretty much the same and is cheaper in manacost, though im not really sure if you need counterspells in this deck

-Stubborn Denial for Negate This is always a hard counter even without creatures on your board

I hope this helps you a little bit, Goodluck with your deck :)

November 22, 2017 9:28 a.m.

SwineAlchemist says... #2

FireToBurn thank you very much. I appreciate your suggestions and I'll work on them.

November 22, 2017 2:10 p.m.

SwineAlchemist says... #3

FireToBurn here comes the explanation for my creatures: there's no real plan, they're just all my pet cards and I'd love to have them all in one deck that tries to take the best out of them. I play only in a little group of friends and we all have very casual decks that comes from cards we previosly had from years of mostly random trades and collections. But yeah, you probably have already guessed it, so thank you very much for keeping your suggestions in this kind of mindset.

November 23, 2017 10:27 a.m.

FireToBurn says... #4

I see that it is a more of a casual deck. I could look more into your creatures but it depends on your budget and if you really want to change them. I could give you a few examples of cheap creatures that do a lot in big creature decks, but I could also give you expensive examples (Though I don't really see the need for that) Maybe an idea for you is to get some sort of idea of what you really want with your creatures for example. you want to deal a ton of damage with big creatures or maybe you want creatures that have certain abilities that do various things. If you have that in mind then you can do a lot more with your deck and make it more consistent.

November 24, 2017 3:11 a.m.

multimedia says... #5

Hey, I have several suggestions.

You don't need 41x lands since you're only three colors. 36x lands is enough especially since there's already land ramp, Signets (very good adding Signets). I suggest replacing some two drop dorks, Zhur-Taa Druid and Whisperer of the Wilds with one drop dorks.

For the manabase I recommend these budget lands:

These land suggestions are lands that ETB untapped you can use them for mana the turn they're played. Command Tower is one of the best lands in Commander budget or not because it can make any color that your Commander is as well as always ETB untapped.

I suggest adding the mana dorks:

If you ask me what's the best card for Temur? I would say Rattleclaw because it's a two drop dork who can make one mana or any of the colors you need. The runner up would be Temur Ascendancy which you're already playing, very nice.

As you play more Commander you'll understand how important the avg. CMC of the deck is. This deck is 4.15. What this means is consistently you will not have anything to play until turn four. This is a causal deck and not being able to consistently play any cards until turn four is okay, but even causal budget Commander decks I make the avg. CMC is 3 or below. I recommend trying to reduce it to 3. The only way to do this is to cut a quite a few high casting cost cards for lower casting cost cards such as two drops, three drops and four drops.

One thing that excited players just learning Commander and building decks for the first time tend to do is jam all the biggest best creatures/cards into a deck. But you don't need or really want to do this because it completely destroys the mana curve. The mana curve is important because it's how you determine the avg. CMC of the deck ultimately determining how fast you can consistently play the cards in the deck. The approach I use when teaching new players Commander is pick 10-12x big creatures/cards you want to play. When I say big I mean cards with five to six plus mana costs. Here you're playing 25x cards that have five or higher costs, this too many. You risk consistently getting many opening hands with nothing but these high cost cards which you won't be able to play until the late game.

Examining the high cost cards here these are in my opinion the best ones:

  • Acidic Slime
  • Sarkhan Unbroken
  • Xenagos, God of Revels

  • Hellkite Charger
  • See the Unwritten
  • Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
  • Savage Ventmaw
  • Intet, the Dreamer

  • Dragonlord Atarka
  • Atarka, World Render

  • Stonehoof Chieftain

To help the mana curve start with keeping these good high cost cards and cutting all the rest I didn't list.

What can you add in the place of the cards I recommend you cut? Here are some budget Commander staples in Temur colors. Each is less than $1:

These suggestions are mostly two drops, three drops with three four drops, one five drop and one six drop. Adding these cards will drastically reduce the mana curve. You're not playing very much draw other than Ascendancy I suggest adding Bond, Bestiary and Harvest to help with this.

Good luck with your deck.


November 30, 2017 12:23 p.m. Edited.

SwineAlchemist says... #6

Wow, thank you very much multimedia: great list, great help!

December 1, 2017 5:22 a.m.