Tasigur Seasons Past / Season Pastigur

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Good Night Sweet Prince —April 26, 2017

Leovold has been hit by the hammer. We bid adieu to him on his way out and hope that some day he may return.

His replacement is actually a proactive change for the Hulking out that we are going to have be dealing with. Queue Faerie Macabre's addition to the deck.

We have one more change that I have been bouncing back and forth for a while. Cutting Show & Tell and Omniscience. This has been a long time hold out from the Reanimation start of the deck. This does remove one route to looping. Testing in the next month or so will show if this is a good decision or not in the post ban environment. We may be facing much more graveyard hate, with Hulk back in the mix, and having that extra non-graveyard based out may be needed. In its place we have Sensei's Divining Top and Counterbalance. The big hesitation on adding these in has been that Top is a non-card advantage resource expenditure and to maintain the counterbalance you need to expend resources across multiple turns. It is not nearly as efficient as the 1v1 top/counterbalance game. This may be too much mana spent for too little reward, but I believe now is the time to give it a shot if it ever gets it.

buildingadeck says... #1

Is there a reason people think Consecrated Sphinx is bad? It's obviously not good in fast combo decks, but in a slow, midrange/control deck like Tasigur, it is great. It has been fantastic for me, especially in tandem with Seedborn Muse.

March 20, 2017 7:57 a.m.

buildingadeck: There is a general opinion that if a creature doesn't do anything when it is cast or comes into play that it is worthless. This is also part of the 'dies to doomblade' mentality that people use to justify why cards are bad. In reality this is the case, Sphinx does do nothing if it gets killed before anyone draws a card. However Sphinx is one of the few cases where the upside is so amazing that it out weighs the possible downside. Specifically in a control shell we want the cards that Sphinx can provide desperately and the risk is something we are willing to take for the huge payout at the far side of the next card drawn. Also of note, we are playing control and we can protect it from the theoretical doomblade that will kill it.

March 20, 2017 10:39 a.m.

Antem says... #3

Have you considered Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip? It seems like flip Jace is good for this deck at nearly every stage of the game.

March 21, 2017 11:06 a.m.

Antem: I have considered Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip a bit but he didn't make it. There are a few challenges for him in the deck currently. While I do have a reanimation package, it isn't my primary win condition. So I'd want to look at him from the general usefulness and utility perspective to see if he makes the cut for the deck.From that standpoint, JVP most closely resembles the Snapcaster Mage in his utility. He has filter, but the big pay off is the -3 from the Planeswalker side of JVP. The big difference here is that the -3 is at sorcery speed only and that Snapcaster is at instant speed.

If the reanimation package was higher up on the deck's game plan, i.e. we had 5-8 reanimation targets and more reanimation spells, then I could definitely see cutting a different spell for JVP and then having both JVP and Snapcaster in the deck at the same time.

As the deck currently is, I believe that Snapcaster at instant speed is more useful than the filter and sorcery speed flashback affect.

March 21, 2017 12:03 p.m.

Randsome says... #5

Cool deck and cool deck tech on youtube!A question: what is the purpose of Show and Tell here? Just in case we start a game with Jin-Gitaxian or Omniscience in hand?

March 22, 2017 4:15 a.m.

Randsome: Show and Tell is there to primarily to cheat out Omniscience. However it has additional uses with Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur and Consecrated Sphinx. It turns unfortunate early draws into functional threats.

March 22, 2017 10:04 a.m.

Randsome says... #7

coreman Thanks for feedback! Seems i was mostly correct on the reasoning, though i didn't look at it from the point of turning unfunctional high cmc hands into usable ones.What alternate budget high CMC targets for Show and Tell would u consider for Tasigur deck with a similar game plan?

March 22, 2017 1:48 p.m.

Randsome:If you were to add to the Reanimation package. Adding Necromancy and Kederekt Leviathan adds a very useful synergy and another S&T card. If you further add to the reanimation plan then S&T gets more valuable. Things like Void Winnower or Terastodon add to that. But it changes the focus of the deck a bit. If you have a deck list you are working on shoot it my way and I can take a look and give you some suggestions.

March 22, 2017 3:54 p.m.

Sexy_Stud says... #9

Your list looks sweet! I highly recommend running a personal tutor because it will function as a second copy of LFTL, or a show and tell if you need to cheat out your combo, or any tutor you want etc. I do have a question about the deck, and that's how much politics comes into your game-plan. I usually end up with 1 or 2 removal spells in my hand at a time. Do you manage to coerce other players into giving you additional value or do you have to pick your battles like most control decks?

March 26, 2017 10:43 a.m.

Sexy_Stud: If I were thinking of including Personal Tutor I'd be looking at Mystical Tutor first. Mystical does more and is at instant speed. The less things we do on our turn the better, it leaves us open to be more flexible and reactive.

When activating Tasigur before it gets to your turn, you will get what ever is the least bad choice for our opponents, it is value for us but the least value that we can get. When activating Tasigur in response to something, when no one else has an answer, we ask someone who doesn't like what is happening and they usually give us the answer for it.

You still have to pick your battles. When you have picked your battle, you have to determine if your resources in hand or a Tasigur activation will give you the best results. When you are fighting to push off a win, having Tasigur and another losing player at the table makes Tasigur's activation almost always get you exactly what you need, then it is just a question of having the available mana.

March 26, 2017 2:59 p.m.

Randsome says... #11

coreman, here is the list i updated per the latest one http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/eternal-tasigur/

March 27, 2017 7:59 a.m.

elrok says... #12

coreman, I have been enjoying your list. I appreciate the hard work you have put into it.

As you mentioned in the deck tech vid, the deck is built to combat the decks you usually see in a competitive environment and that it would struggle when faced with multiple creature based strategies. My local meta is a mixed bag. One pod, I can be sitting down with other competitive decks. The next pod, I can be seated with three battlecruiser decks. You mentioned adding a few more removal spells/board wipes in for situations like this. What exactly would you put in, but more importantly, what would you take out for them?

March 31, 2017 10:21 a.m.

elrok: The cards to be put in are mostly all in the sideboard. The cards to take out are going to be meta dependent. If you are facing a more hatebears, i'd drop some cards that aren't targeted at them (flusterstorm, shadow of doubt, swan song, chains of meph, going deep - mystic remora), if you are facing graveyard hate, I'd drop some of the reanimator package (entomb, reanimate, exhume, jin-gitaxis)

April 3, 2017 6:51 p.m.

pumpkinsword says... #14

Instead of Show and Tell/Omniscience, have you tried just putting in Doomsday, Labman, Predict, and Git Probe? You can make a pile with that and any reanimation spell and I feel as if it is easier than Omniscience.

April 7, 2017 7:32 p.m.

buildingadeck says... #15

Omniscience is actually very castable in this deck with Cabal Coffers, all the mana rocks, and the fact that it's a deck designed to go to the late game. The other problem is that creates four slots that are not particularly useful outside of combo vs two, and S&T can be used with Jin as well.

Show and Omni are the slots that are most easily cut and swapped out, but I am not sure that a DD combo would make this deck better.

April 7, 2017 10:17 p.m.

pumpkinsword S&T/Omni are the first things on the chopping board if something new comes in that is a must have. As buildingadeck said, Omni is very castable especially with the focus for late game. One of the key design features of this deck is that every card has multiple uses and very high value for mana investment. One of the big reasons for S&T is that we may get a fatty in our hand and it lets use get it into play for 3 mana, additionally we are designed to be able to interact very heavily with permanents, so what our opponents put into play are usually not a threat. Labman was in this deck at one point. Git Probe, Predict and Doomsday just are not strong enough on their own to be in the deck. If S&T/Omni were cut it would be primarily for interaction than for a DD package.

April 8, 2017 5:11 p.m.

Antem says... #17

How has As Foretold been doing in testing? It looks interesting, but kind of slow.

April 8, 2017 5:52 p.m.

Antem: for As Foretold, I'm working on play testing it. It has replaced the least useful signet, Dimir Signet, and is theoretically very great. I'm trying it out now but it may go back or flux a bit more once we get the full spoiler for Amonkhet.

April 9, 2017 3:23 p.m.

buildingadeck says... #19

Have you considered Nature's Lore? If you find that As Foretold isn't a productive slot, Lore is better than Dimir Signet, I think since Palinchron combo relies on us having a land-based mana advantage. It would also work to thin the library, however marginal that change might be while having the same cmc as Signet. It evades Null Rod, but gets hit by gedon effects.

April 17, 2017 4:50 p.m.

buildingadeck: I had Nature's Lore in the deck a while ago and it got cut. Right now, if As Foretold doesn't work out, it will be going back to Dimir Signet. The downside of singleton formats is that I haven't been able to cast As Foretold yet. :(

In the current deck configuration, I like the signets a bit more than Nature's Lore. Early game we are fetching to prioritize Blue and Green mana, this causes the number of useful forests that Nature's Lore can get to run out quickly. When all it can get is a basic forest it doesn't feel very useful after I've already grabbed the two duals and two shocks. However Dimir Signet generating blue is very useful at any point in the game.

April 17, 2017 5:06 p.m.

buildingadeck says... #21

That makes sense. Well, when you do get to cast As Foretold, I'd love to hear how it plays. It seems like it would be a valuable engine.

April 17, 2017 5:28 p.m.

fgator5220 says... #22

So, no more Leovold.

I'm going to sleeve up a copy of this to see how I like it. Here are my questions.

  1. What are going to replace Leovold with?

  2. I replaced Timetwister with Time Spiral. How's that sound?

  3. I replaced Grim Tutor with Cruel Tutor? How's that sound?

  4. Along with Leovold, I have no idea what you'd replace Chains of Mephistopheles with?

Thanks in advance for your comments!

April 25, 2017 2:59 p.m.

kilgore says... #23

Notion thief is a little slow maybe but you can draw so many cards when you wheel

April 25, 2017 4:14 p.m.