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The former thought experiment on Razaketh Tasigur is no longer one, but has evolved into a solid control deck with a way above average win rate.

Still, there is some work to do, and some interaction to explore. However, the deck is functional at stopping everything that comes it's way, and is well tuned for Flash and Food Chain Metagame.It can grind like a madman with Seedborn Muse, and has some solid Tasigur -> Eldritch Evolution -> Razaketh -> Life//Death -> IsoRev lines.

If one faces serious creature beats(which I don't), I recommend adding in Glacial Chasm (which does wonders when combined with Life from the Loam). Oh and yes, I cut both Timetwister and Necropotence; Timetwister refills my opponents (and more often than not hurts me) and Necro doesnt do enough.

Stuff to consider:

  • Cut Leyline if in a meta without much grave action.
  • Thinking of replacing Season's Past or Regrowth with Eternat Witness, because I can dig up Seedborn From Ewit and dont lose my Tasigur as I would usually.
  • Switch Krosan Grip for Nature's Claim (I run Krosan Grip as a meta call vs. Food Chain).
  • The new blue Elder Dinosaur Nezahal looks promising with Eldritch Evolution. Will test for sure!

A small primer is in work, so don't despair!

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Please make some type of guide for this deck. I can't seem to understand some card choices, and why razzaketh is in the deck? I see the line with eldritch and tasigur, But what do you do once Razzaketh hits the battlefield. It is very creature light and I don't see where the sacs come from besides the life part from life//death. And I was wondering why memory's journey is in there? to stop combos? And I assume rifsweeper is for foodchain exiles. Any help with these ?s are appreciated.

January 5, 2018 2:58 p.m.

Also one more one more question. How does this deck compare to hulk tasigur. Hulk just seems like a another pretty easy way to win w/o infinite mana. Is this deck keep up with the other strategies? Thank you for anyone who helps.

January 5, 2018 4:15 p.m.

Ok, one by one:

  • Razaketh serves as the main winning line. As this deck does not aim for quick kills, it is fine to run Raz without much creatures, because your lands will serve as fodder for him anyways.
  • When Raz enters, I usually replay my Commander first (which usually still is only B) to start the sac line. If I have enough delve stuff, I even do that several times to dig up more protection with Raz. Then I go for Life//Death, play the Life part, tap my lands for mana and sac them to get IsoRev and enough rocks to go positive on mana. Then just replay Tasigur and do any of the loops.
  • Memory's Journey came in for the Timetwister. Its main use is to stop combo decks, yes. Let the reanimation player shuffle their Necrotic Ooze back in, if they target it with dread return, or stop the bomberman lines.
  • Riftsweeper has many uses, but mainly to protect my own win. One game out of five I either get one part of IsoRev exiled or the combo removed. I dont have a backup plan for infinite mana, so I put in the Sweeper. He stops some decks as well, yes, but this is rare. It also happens that I later want stuff that I exiled with the delve back in my deck :D
  • This deck is different from Hulk Tasigur as it does not seek any quick kills. Hulk requires a couple of slots that have little to no use outside of the combo; we only have Life//Death as a questionable card, but Death still is just a worse Reanimate. I have been playing all current Tasigur strategies, and this is the build I have the highest winrate on (which might just be my playstyle), so I have no doubt this can keep up easily.
January 6, 2018 3:44 a.m.

I appreciate the help so much. This really gave me a good idea. To me consecrated sphinx just filled the same roll as razzaketh for me in my deck. Due to immense draw and eventually finding tutors. But this build just makes more sense. I appreciate the help. And I am now gonna start to alter my deck! :D

January 6, 2018 5 a.m.

Also was necro just too slow, and are you talking about nezahal? What would nezahal do for this deck. Thank you for getting back to me I appreciate the help!!!

January 6, 2018 5:05 a.m.

How Engineered Explosives have been working out for you?

I'm running it on my Zur Control mainly as a way to kill... well... most of the cards you use, carpet of flowers and dorks.

January 6, 2018 8:49 a.m.

As last time, all questions in order:

  • Necropotence wasn't too slow, but didn't do enough. Triple black was annoying to achieve, but possible. But it interferes with dredging from lftl and discarding to grave. Also, doesn't do what it does in storm "pay 30 life, win next turn", but draws 1-3 per turn while preventing me to draw normally.
  • Engineered Explosives was something I came up with when I still ran Tidespout Tasigur as my main deck, because the other builds rolled with Pernicious deed. There it served as a free bounce and superb removal. It still is amazing removal, because it mostly leaves your own board intact, while blowing out key pieces from your opponent(s). Also, good politics on the table will make your opponents help you kill each other with it. "Tasigur activation. Player B, if you give me back EE, I will use it on Sunburst 2 to kill the stax pieces of Player C."Next Turn do so, then ask Player C to help you wipe Player B. Works often, is fun, gets you ahead.
January 6, 2018 10:01 a.m.

Oh I forgot the other question:

  • Yes, I am talking about Nezahal (will edit my description, thanks). It appears to be a great target to Eldritch Evolution into/Reanimate, if you dont have the resources yet to close out the game with Razaketh. Also, unlike Jin-Gitaxias, it doesn't force your opponents to immediately focus all resources and cards into removing it, but just sits there, and will win the game for you. I didn't test it yet, so don't rely on my words. That's just my impression of the card.
January 6, 2018 10:05 a.m.

Your the man! thank you stu!!!!

January 6, 2018 3:57 p.m.

Why Thougt Vessle? Its seems kinda counterintuitive for a reanimator deck.

Also, what would you recommend as a replacement for Chains of Mephistopheles?

Really love the deck, thanks for sharing!

January 8, 2018 8:33 a.m.

also, have you considered windfall + notion thief lines?

January 8, 2018 8:52 a.m.

Hi Oli4, glad you like it so far. Concerning your questions:

  • This deck is not a classic reanimator deck. Having Razaketh in grave (Entomb, Intuition, Discard with Chains) plus a reanimate spell is just a quick way to end a game. In most cases though, Entomb grabs a Life from the Loam into the yard, and reanimate spells often get utility creatures or stuff from opponents.
  • Because of this reasoning, Thought Vessel is a helpful piece to the main plan: Play control. You don't want to discard cards, that will be handed back to you once you activate Tasigur. Also, as Thought Vessel taps for mana, it's somewhat useful for a IsoRev win. The card however is far from perfect, and I think I will test the new blue Elder Dinosaur in its place.
  • Now for the bad news: Chains of Mephistopheles is the card I actively tutor for the most besides my wincons. It is incredibly important against the majority of cEDH decks, because it limits resources of your opponents drastically. Therefore I see it as a mandatory piece of the deck.
  • Of course you can go with Notion Thief in it's place. He is, however, much more vulnerable and super expensive manawise. Also, I highly dislike running wheel effects, because without Thief, they just refill your opponents hands. So, those are dead cards to me, if there is no Thief on your side of the playfield.
January 8, 2018 9:20 a.m.

hey, thank you for the super fast answers!

In that case, would you say it's worth it to add reliquary tower for redundancy, or is that too much?

Thanks again for the help.

Cant wait for a full primer, this deck is awesome! My two favorite deck archetypes combined.

January 8, 2018 10:20 a.m.

Hey Oli4, sorry for the late answer. You don't want to run that Land, because it is a dead card pretty much always. The effect isn't super important, but a nice-to-have.

January 12, 2018 3:36 p.m.




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This deck is Commander / EDH legal.

Cards 100
Avg. CMC 1.97
Tokens 3/3 Beast, 1/1 Bird
Folders EDH, Decks to Build, Good ideas
Top rank #38 on 2018-01-13
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