Swan Lands **Primer**

Modern* Kelvin-escesare

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Further tuned sideboard vs combo-heavy Modern meta —June 15, 2017

Chalice of the Void is great against control (our greatest weakness), Death's Shadow, Abzan, Jeskai, as well as Storm

Anger of the Gods is great against our toughest (creature-based) combo matchups, Dredge and Affinity, and any stray creature decks like CoCo.

Engineered Explosives is great against our other toughest matchups, Death's Shadow and Affinity

Negate is our only way to stop non-creature combos, Tron, Storm, and Scapeshift

Mana Leak is all-purpose good against combo decks.

Bojuka Bog is our way of dealing with graveyard strategies like Death's Shadow, Dredge, and Abzan without reducing our land count.

Worm Harvest is almost unbeatable against control, Death's Shadow, Abzan, Jeskai, until they side in Surgical Extraction.

Reclamation Sage gets rid of Leyline of Sanctity while dodging their all the most popular counterspells (which hit other A/E removal), Stubborn Denial, Dispel, Spell Pierce, Negate, Spell Snare, and Swan Song.

We're already favored against creature combos and slower aggro due to Seismic Assault and Molten Vortex, so we don't need to side too much for those.

bah-bammmm says... #1

i am not sure if swans is competitive

April 27, 2017 8:18 p.m.

Well it did win a Modern state championship here. Here I attempt to further improve the deck to tier 1.5/2 competitive. Or are you saying the only decks that should be tagged competitive are netdecks of the few dozen current tournament-winning archetypes?

April 28, 2017 1:43 a.m.

dotytron says... #4

Eidolon of the Great Revel would help with opponent lockout to get to the swan combo

April 28, 2017 2:31 p.m.

bah-bammmm says... #5

well, to be fair, first off tiers are established by how much it is played rather than how powerful it is (though those two correlate) so since the deck does not have a lot of standings it would be considered tier 4. as for the state championship, most of the decks it faced had little interaction to stop the combo, it's no wonder it beat eldrazitron, especially since eldrazitron has no removal and a bad combo matchup. one tournament result doesn't make a deck competitive.

April 29, 2017 11:14 a.m.

bah-bammmm says... #6

oh, yeah, and the owner of the deck even admitted it was bad.

April 29, 2017 11:15 a.m.

C.LewisMTG says... #7

How is any of your input constructive? If you don't enjoy it or don't think it's competitive, give suggestions on what you think would make it better. bah-bammmm. And the owners original list is bad. Bad it was also a budget list, and had one linear gameplan. This list is far more competitive than the states list that won.

April 29, 2017 2:41 p.m.

Thanks for the vote of confidence! Far more competitive might be a stretch though. Like other people have observed, Swans is pretty much strictly worse than Twin since it just has to run fewer spells.

He's probably just a troll anyways. Defining tiers based on usage makes zero sense on a website dedicated to brewing, like I said before. If he's insisting semantics, we can just call it a prospective tier 1.5-2.5 instead.

May 10, 2017 12:55 p.m.

bah-bammmm says... #9

defining tiers based on usage does not make zero sense. that's what tiers are, how often a deck is used. this website was never stated to be designed strictly for brewing

May 10, 2017 5:53 p.m.

You already (correctly) explained that "tiers" refers to usage, and I already said that if we want to be semantically accurate, we can use a different word like "prospective." Further arguing the point isn't constructive, as C.LewisMTG just pointed out, and I said it's arguing semantics. "Semantics" refers to the meaning of words, so "arguing semantics" has come to refer to aimlessly arguing about the meaning of a word.

Also, whether or not the site "was designed strictly for brewing" (if we're arguing semantics, then you're incorrect because I only said "dedicated to"), the fact is this list is a brew. So it doesn't make sense to discuss tiers here since this list is tier 3 by definition, whereas we're obviously trying to change that.

If you do want to debate the semantics, maybe we can coin a term for a metric that runs parallel "tiers" that measures the usage of the deck in a metagame at mixed strategy Nash equilibrium instead of the current usage (tier)? If you don't like "prospective tier", maybe "power level" or "expected tier"? Another person might be tired of arguing semantics at this point, but you're in luck because I actually study philosophy, linguistics, and computer science!

Edit: agh! put the wrong link and it wouldn't let me edit

May 10, 2017 6:39 p.m. Edited.