Super Smash Boros | Firesong & Sunspeaker EDH
Commander / EDH
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It offers you want you want, but not what you need —March 11, 2018
Thank you all for the discussion so far. It's been less than 3 days and we've already made so much progress. But there is much to be done! Update #1!
30 upvotes!
50 comments!
Day one: Freaked out, started brewing at 5:30 AM, collected nearly 200 potential cards for the deck, featured the deck, got a ton of feedback, settled on 150 good cards. Got a background in.
Day two: Featured again, lots more feedback, two waves of 20 cuts and a last push of 10 cuts. informed of infinite combo!
Day three(today): Been busy, one last feature, thinking about the win conditions and philosophy of the deck.
Some initial thoughts:
Win-conditions:
- Accumulated value of huge damage spells, lifelink, Painter's Servant value, Sunforger package, and the general synergy/draw/tutor/ramp power of the deck. I don't want this deck to be focused entirely on the combo, and I want it to be versatile and resilient.
- Spiritulize combo with commander + some damage to get it going. I want The combo to be secondary as a nice game-ender if things are going well. It already fits perfectly in the Sunforger arsenal.
- Neheb, the Eternal, Sanctum of the Sun  Flip, into Comet Storm. This is third in line because of how hard it is to set up. I don't want it to distract too much from the rest of the deck, but rather to enhance it.
About the cuts I made:
You'll see a lot of stuff in the maybeboard. That's what I've cut from the 150 card deck i had earlier. There are a lot, and mean a lot, of good cards there. Most of the cuts I made were too balance the deck a little better, cut needless cards, lower the curve, lower the creature count, and most importantly, focus on the spells, not the spells that care about spells.
For the future:
Please comment and suggest more things! Please argue for your favorite cards in the maybeboard! Please tell me what cards to cut if they're weak! Please upvote!
I excitedly wait for the Dominaria Spoilers so we can get an image of my commander!
Thanks again!
Daedalus19876 says... #2
Awaken the Ancient doesn't gain you life, alas.
Also, Aetherflux Reservoir XD (sarcasm)
March 9, 2018 8:31 a.m. Edited.
Daedalus19876 I'm not suggesting it for life gain.
I'm suggesting it because a 7/7 with Haste on Turn 5 is awesome.
You also can't get rid of it with any spell that targets nonland permanents.
There are enough Mountains in this deck to make it viable.
March 9, 2018 9:01 a.m. Edited.
"With my commander out, Lightning Helix becomes 6 damage(that I can split in half) and 6 life." Actually it is more - 9 damage and 6 life. 3 damage from the lifelink of the spell, 3 damage from the spell itself and 3 damage from the last paragraph of the minotaur.
If you make a red damage spell white with 8.5 tails, it will lose the lifelink granted by the commander and will not trigger the commander's last paragraph.
Read the rules interactions on this commander (part of the release notes) very carefully
March 9, 2018 9:24 a.m.
Suns_Champion says... #5
Argy thank you for the +1 and suggestions! Battlements looks good but awaken the ancient might not be the right fit. Thank you :)
Daedalus19876 haha! Any thoughts on the direction of the deck? Neheb sub theme? Minotaur tribal? Any suggestions? I value you opinion as well as your humor :)
Boza I think it's still 6 and 6. The life link doesn't cause damage.
Bummer on 8.5 tails. I realize that Painter's Servant is what I need.
Please upvote! And any further suggestions welcome!
March 9, 2018 10:28 a.m.
Agent_Fire says... #6
What about Zada, Hedron Grinder and Flame Jab. Its like blaze commando for pauper edh but not pauper edh
March 9, 2018 10:33 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #8
Suns_Champion: As a first stab, I'd check into all of the old Tamanoa lists floating around the internet. Personally, I'd build this as more of a 1v1 burn/tempo list, but obviously mass damage-based sweepers will give you massive life swings. I'll think on it :) Currently my mind is consumed by the new Jhoira...
March 9, 2018 10:52 a.m.
"Whenever a white instant or sorcery spell causes you to gain life, Firesong and Sunspeaker deals 3 damage to target creature or player." Lifelink on WR spell does technically cause damage with this Minotaur Legend!
3 damage from the spell. That spell gains lifelink, so you gain 3 life from that + 3 from the text of the card.So you gain life twice from a white spell, giving you an extra 3x2 damage.
Righteous Confluence, if you choose the last mode 3 times, will gain you 15 life and cause 3 Bolts!
White redirection effects are particularly good - Deflecting Palm will gain lifelink and create 2 bolts in addition to its normal effect! Sun's Bounty is an awesome effect and combines well with Worthy Cause! Reaping the Rewards turns every Plains into a Bolt! Incidental lifegain like Blessed Alliance becomes awesome when you add a Bolt to it.
I cannot even imagine how much damage and life you will do/gain from Brightflame.
Warleader's Helix is also awesome - 8 life and 4+3+3 damage!
Boros Charm gains you 8 life, while letting you do 4+3+3 damage!
March 9, 2018 10:54 a.m.
Agent_Fire says... #10
Boros Reckoner? I also think it would be best to look at blaze commando Pauper edh decks for a direction
March 9, 2018 10:57 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #12
Oh! Wildfire and Burning of Xinye could do work!!
March 9, 2018 11:15 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #13
Also, it's worth mentioning that Reiterate+big mana ritual (such as Mana Geyser is a completely viable win-con here. You can just chain any burn spell after that for infinite life/damage.
March 9, 2018 11:20 a.m.
I'm sure you know but... you are aware Painter's Servant is banned in EDH right?
Also I can't believe the set leaked like that... Holy shit.
March 9, 2018 12:48 p.m.
Suns_Champion says... #15
Thank you all for the comments! Please don't forget to upvote!
Agent_Fire Thank you for all the suggestions! I'll take a hard look at all of them!
Daedalus19876 good suggestions! I'm almost worried this deck will look too much like my Neheb deck but it fits so well
Boza I believe you're right! I didn't realize they were two separate life gains. Thank you!
I have most of those Righteous Confluence looks awesome! Yeah I can't wait to Neheb, the Eternal ramp into a Brightflame! I've wanted something like this for so long!
Maaagic right you are! Thanks! that makes cuts a little easier :)
DrkNinja Thanks! I've talked to my playgroup and they have allowed it for this deck. Any suggestions?
Don't forget to upvote and keep the comments coming! Loving it!
March 9, 2018 4:06 p.m.
NivStormfront says... #16
Mizzix's Mastery and Volcanic Vision could be viable in this deck. They also gives Boros some needed card advantage/recursion
I also recommend considering Isochron Scepter. Lightning Helix or Boros Charm on a stick would be killer in this deck
March 9, 2018 5:08 p.m. Edited.
Suns_Champion says... #17
NivStormfront Mizzix's Mastery and Isochron Scepter are really good! Totally forgot about them! Thanks!
March 9, 2018 6:04 p.m.
It's really unfortunate that Soulfire Grand Master is technically blue...
Suggestions! Since you are playing this very Neheb like, which is the most fun way to play it, I'll use my deck as reference so feel free to do the same. The Eternal Flame Of Surtur!
March 9, 2018 6:11 p.m.
Have you considered the Stuffy Doll route yet, Boros Reckoner and Blasphemous Act ? Try to make as much stuff of your's indestructible with Hammer of Nazahn, Darksteel Plate and both copies of Avacyn (Archangel Avacyn Flip, Avacyn, Angel of Hope) and spam effects like Earthquake, Rolling Earthquake which turn into one-sided boardwipes with an additional upside?
March 9, 2018 6:22 p.m.
Fluffpocalypse says... #20
Rad deck. Id love to see a Searing Wind for the meme plays.
March 9, 2018 7:57 p.m.
@Fluffpocalypse but why meme with winds when you can meme with Urza's Rage?
March 9, 2018 8:17 p.m.
Suns_Champion says... #22
DrkNinja you play Neheb too? Awesome! thank you for the suggestions! I've already considered some and will consider the rest! I took a good look at my own Neheb list while compiling this one. Fire & Sun are probably Neheb's cousins or something haha!
crowned Thanks for the comment! Stuffy Doll, Spitemare, Boros Reckoner, Coalhauler Swine etc are good options, I'm just not sure if I like them or if they're worth running. I'll definitely try them out at some point. I can't do the full indestructible set up though, it takes too many slots away from the main theme and sub theme.
Fluffpocalypse Thanks! Is Searing Wind really a meme?
DrkNinja this is your third comment... you ever gonna upvote? xD
March 9, 2018 8:27 p.m.
Suns_Champion says... #23
New background everyone :D
I'm up to almost 150 cards! My first wave of cuts starts tomorrow! Any help with that is much appreciated.
Thank you all for the help to far! Keep the feedback and upvotes coming!
March 9, 2018 9:33 p.m.
I've been thinking about building this guy, though the new Jhoria has my attention, and I got a couple suggestions.
You could do with more ways to protect the minotaur at the helm. Might I suggest Magebane Armor and Command Beacon?
Oh, and Painter's Servant is banned in EDH.
March 10, 2018 8:07 a.m. Edited.
Spirit_Logan says... #25
Gah this deck seems so fun!!! I can't decide between any multicolored Dominaria legends. Also Furnace of Rath and Dictate of the Twin Gods for more life and damage
Argy says... #1
Please put Awaken the Ancient in this deck immediately.
I won so many Standard games with that thing.
Also, Hanweir Battlements.
+1 for choice of interesting Commander.
March 9, 2018 7:49 a.m.