- 1x Collective Brutality
- 3x Inquisition of Kozilek
- 4x Lingering Souls
- 4x Sram's Expertise
- 3x Thoughtseize
- 1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
- 1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion
- 1x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
- 1x Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
- 2x Sorin, Solemn Visitor
This has a lot of bad cards in it.
October 1, 2017 11:43 p.m.
I have found that I rarely have untapped 3 white mana on turn 3 ergo one typically ends up playing Spectral Procession on turn 4. As such the choice becomes would you rather have 3 1/1 flyers, or 3 1/1 artifacts AND Lingering Souls or some other 3 cmc card. Sram's Expertise Just gives you more value for your mana, and punishes you less for playing a slow land.
Admittedly, Increasing Devotion is a bit spicy and if you don't like it don't run it. It's won me enough games, especially against midrange decks like Jund, Junk, and Mardu for me to keep 1 mainboard.
As for Elspeth, Sun's Champion, she wins games. Sure she costs 6 mana but you'd be surprised how easy it is for games to drag to that point. Also she can be cheated in with Windbrisk Heights which can seal a game early on.
Honestly, no idea why you don't like Zealous Persecution. At its' worst it pumps your guys, at its' best its a boardwipe against Affinity, Faeries, Elves, and other token decks. It also hits Dark Confidant, Snapcaster Mage, most mana Dorks, and of course Lingering Souls.
I don't run Fatal Push because I don't run enough fetch lands to reliably Revolt.
Bitterblossom is the largest point on contention. I can definitely see going up to 3. It's an amazing card, but having 2-3 points of mandatory life loss a turn is no bueno. Legion's Landing does the same job for 3 (4) mana a turn and the tokens have lifelink, which goes a long way towards offsetting the bitterblossoms, fetching, shocking, thoughtseizing.
October 2, 2017 3:02 a.m.
I ran Anointed Procession in the past, but eventually dropped it because it does not do anything on its own. Its not bad, I just didnt think it was as good as other options.
October 2, 2017 2:15 p.m.
this needs work.
Sram's Expertise is nowhere near as good as Spectral Procession. Being able to get much more evasive creatures for 1 less mana is amazing. Bitterblossom is an allstar. you NEED to have 4x of these. Take out the elspeths and Gideon, they don't do much. Increasing Devotion is too slow. more removal would be much better, like Fatal Push. Zealous Persecution is not very helpful in modern. it doesn't work very well in the meta. just having Fatal Push instead is much better. If you are looking for a finisher, consider Hero of Bladeholdas a possibility.Legion's Landing is great at a 1 of, because you can use it as a generator. I get why you but it in there, but in no universe will it ever be as good as Bitterblossom. It gives flyers, and flying tokens are the best of the bunch, because they are really difficult to deal with. Your lands aren't very good either. Swamps are helpless. You need to have lands where every single one of them taps for white, and a lot tap for black. you NEED to cast Spectral Procession on turn 3, or as soon as you can. this deck would not cut it in any sort of modern tournament. I've been playing token swarm for 4 years, so I know what is going on. Bitterblossom it THE MOST important card in a token swarm deck...
I have spoken.
October 2, 2017 9:04 p.m.
That's too funny, the god of "token swarm"...that's SUPER cool and edgy.
Not every local meta is the same... and if you can afford a playset of Bitterblossom you probably shouldn't be playing this deck competitively, but something better. You should always be trying new things, especially from new sets to see what does work. (FOR YOU) The card choices for this archetype are pretty much set in stone, so even if it's not going to get any better any time soon, it's nice to see someone trying new things. Thumbs up to you.
October 3, 2017 1:17 a.m.
ndgipper Given your attitude I'm not gunna take the time to write a full response, since I doubt you'd care for a counter argument. However, I would like to remind you that 'the meta' varies from store to store and just because Zealous Persecution doesn't do well against Eldrazi Tron doesn't mean it doesn't do well against Affinity, Death's Shadow, and Junk.
Every card is give and take, except Leyline of Sanctity. lol.
October 3, 2017 3:35 a.m.
October 3, 2017 3:55 a.m.
DrK4ZE- Well Put- And yes I did see you had one in the SB and forgot to remove that part of the comment, my bad lol.
I built an awesome standard token deck last rotation and played a couple copies of Hanweir Militia Captain, which were amazing. I'm sure it would still play good in any token deck like this, but idk that was standard. I may have to do some testing with it in modern.
Also, how is Shambling Vent performing in this deck for you? I have been curious about that.
October 3, 2017 1:13 p.m.
October 3, 2017 1:17 p.m.
jaylawlerrr, in all honesty Shambling Vent has been neither good nor bad. It's a B/W land and thanks to Sram's Expertise you don't really get punished for it coming into play tapped turns 1-3. That said, I rarely ever activate it. It's good for chump blocking when you want to saving a flyer or something, but it's nothing compared to Vault of the Archangel or Windbrisk Heights. I would say I get about as much use out of them as I do Westvale Abbey Flip. That said, its not like there's a better choice that I'm aware of, if anything I would cut them for more basic lands to give the deck a better shot against Blood Moon.
In regards to Hanweir Militia Captain Flip it definitely looks like a good WIN-MORE card, but if you're in a pinch its just a vanilla 2/2 for 2 and I don't know how reliable it will be in modern... That said its got good synergy with Sram's Expertise... I'll have to think about it, but at this point I not sold.
October 4, 2017 1:43 a.m.
This deck got a whole lot of salt but I like it dude. Just keep doing what you're doing. As for suggestions, I would try to find some card draw.
October 4, 2017 11:02 a.m.
Yeah, like i said it was hella-good in standard, but I don't know about this format either. I did however just pull a couple Legion's Landing so I will certainly be trying that as well.
October 4, 2017 1:50 p.m.
I really like this deck DrK4ZE! I love token decks, especially B/W Modern Token Decks. I am also really enjoying all of these comments because they help me better select my own cards and learn why each card is useful in the deck or compared to another deck. I also run Westvale Abbey Flip in my own B/W Token Deck, Demons Devouring Humans. I was wondering how often you end up using it to win games? It has won me a few games when I couldn't draw any of my other main win cards. Since you don't have any creatures below 4 mana and you don't have many cards with 2 or 1 mana that generate tokens, are you trying to just control the board until you can get creatures out, or are you hoping that you can get a Legion's Landing or Bitterblossom in your opening hand?
October 5, 2017 4:58 p.m.
dzapf2008 Westvale Abbey Flip has won me 1 game. lol. In all honesty a lot of the time you're better off with 5 2/2s than 1 9/7, especially if your opponent is in white. Path to Exile is the most played card in modern and a lot of players will hold onto it if they're against tokens, especially if they see Westvale Abbey Flip and then you essentially wiped your own board.
This deck tends to win with a steady beat down where Intangible Virtue+Bitterblossom/Legion's Landing/Vault of the Archangel/The Planeswalkers let me out value my opponent over time. This plus the hand disruption means that the deck plays a lot more like midrange beatdown than the swarm aggro most token decks go for. (Although it can pop off and just swarm with some lucky draws). Long story short the deck doesn't really have any 'win cons' its more of a collective effort, ergo Westvale Abbey Flip rarely wins it.
I looked at your deck at like it a lot!
I'd recommend cutting Thraben Doomsayer, Death Cultist, Anointed Procession, and going down to 2 copies of Increasing Devotion so you can run 4x Doomed Traveler, and some combination of draw and Sorin, Solemn Visitor. Also I'd recommend playing Path to Exile over Bone Splinters.
Athreos, God of Passage is amazing in your list, and Ravenous Demon Flip is, as always, dope as fuck and extra spicy. I think these changes (especially Doomed Traveler) will help you get more out of both cards. Also you may wanna look at your mana base, if nothing else try Vault of the Archangel. That card puts in work.
October 5, 2017 8:45 p.m.
Thanks for the suggestions DrK4ZE! I agree with cutting down on the Anointed Procession and Increasing Devotion. Those cards are a little slow because I usually have enough tokens by the time I can use them, but they do swing the game dramatically and piss off my opponent a lot when I can use them. My only problem with Doomed Traveler is that it creates spirit tokens and my deck is constructed to create human tokens to feed Ravenous Demon Flip. I would swap Path to Exile for my Bone Splinters except they cost $6.75 each, while Bone Splinters only costs $0.13. I can usually sacrifice a creature when needed, so I'm not too worried. I have looked into adding a planeswalker to my deck in the past and will probably be adding one in the near future as well as a Vault of the Archangel.
October 6, 2017 9:21 a.m.
dzapf2008 Doomed Traveler is good BECAUSE it gives you a spirit. Mainboard the only flying creature you have is Ravenous Demon Flip. For 1 mana Doomed Traveler a human you can block with/sacrifice AND a 1/1 flyer you can block with.
October 6, 2017 8:46 p.m.
I think more Gideons would be good here. Gideon, Ally of Zendikar is good with Lingering Souls because of his buff ability and Gideon of the Trials was strengthened massively by the recent rules change. Perhaps a "light" Gideon package of 2 Gideon of the Trials, 2 Gideon Ally and 1 Gideon Jura. It would detract from the tokens theme somewhat to cut the Elspeth, Sun's Champion and some of the rest of the high end to slot in a Gideon package, but I think it would lead to a lot of free wins when you emblem and your opponent can't deal with a walker, like against Lightning Storm.
October 7, 2017 4:49 p.m.
Sweet deck. Ran it through some playtests against Junk & Control (ie fair decks that it should be advantaged against) and came away with a few thoughts.
1) This deck has a real glut of 4-drops. All the spells are individually powerful, but it hurts missing a T3 play, and with only 22 lands it's not a sure thing you'll even cast them on T4. It also makes Sram's Expertise much worse, because there aren't a lot of cards it can cheat in. The obvious candidate here is LotV, although cost can be a concern. Other people have mentioned Procession, and I'd guess it's worth trying to work the manabase to accommodate it... so much beef for 3 mana.
2) Path should probably be Fatal Push. In resource denial/discard decks like this, giving your opponent a land is absolutely awful. We used to play it because we had to, but now that we have Push life is so much better for black aggro/MR decks. Not sure how often you find yourself pathing your own tokens for man acceleration, as that's one potential upside.
3) There are too many non-white sources. Only 17 white sources means some of the double white cards are difficult to cast on curve. Vault and Abby are sweet, but you can only play so many colorless utility lands.
4) Increasing Devotion and Big Elspeth are both wonderful, awesome cards, but they're probably too expensive for an optimal build of BW tokens. You have the late game covered with 4CMC walkers and Arena anyway. That said, they're awesome cards that are fun to cast, so I can't fault you for leaving them in.
October 19, 2017 5:57 p.m.
I might leave the Increasing Devotion out entirely and the Elspeth, Sun's Champion in the sideboard. I'd probably also trim Sram's Expertise to 2-3 and play some Spectral Procession/Bitterblossom because evasion is important. As for planeswalkers, there are pros and cons in running many different 1-ofs; personally I would max the number of Sorin, Solemn Visitor and Gideon, Ally of Zendikar because I think those two are the best for this archetype.
October 19, 2017 6:23 p.m.
Sorin, Solemn Visitor is easily the best planeswalker for this archetype, but with the new planeswalker uniqueness rules... I'd take an Elspeth/Gideon on the battlefield over another Sorin in my hand. I'm still on the fence about running more Bitterblossom, its a damn good card but it does the same job as Elspeth, Knight-Errant, and Sorin, Lord of Innistrad... and those cards don't force you to lose a life each turn... which can really start to hurt if you play more than 1 and/or the match turns into a long slugfest.
October 19, 2017 8:24 p.m.
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|Date added||1 month|
|Last updated||15 hours|
This deck is Modern legal.
|Tokens||1/1 Servo, 1/1 Spirit, Sorin, 2/2 Vampire, 2/2 Knight Ally, 1/1 Soldier, Gideon, 1/1 Human Cleric, Elspeth, 1/1 Faerie Rogue|
|Folders||Deck References, Modern, Interesting Modern Decks|
|Top rank||#19 on 2017-10-11|