Shrine of Burning Rage can be helpful in here. Seems like an odd deck, but I wouldn't mind losing to it.
Noticed your comment on rckclimber777's page. +1
December 13, 2011 12:17 a.m.
This makes me feel all warm inside. I have no comments yet other than that and a +1. I'll probably playtest this a lot today and see what suggestions I might be able to add to this. Right now I like it. It seems like it'll get artifacts in the graveyard quickly. Perhaps run a couple Ancient Grudge as there are very few people right now who aren't running some kind of artifact
December 13, 2011 10:42 a.m.
Haha, thanks to both of you! The Shrine might be good, but how could I fit it in? I had trouble narrowing it down to this many cards. My original list was 50 nonland cards, and it took a large amonut of effort to get it down from there. Ancient Grudge might be good as a 2-of in here, with more sideboarded. It can hit opponent's stuff, and if need be, hit my own just to boost the Slag Fiend , haha. Also, Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas might be good in here. 'Twould be very intredasting. Let me know how the playtesting goes!
December 13, 2011 1:01 p.m.
Kuldotha Rebirth and Artillerize are both good for getting artifacts in the graveyard, maybe consider one of them in the place of Infernal Plunge . Also i think Ichor Wellspring would be better than the Mycosynth Wellspring , and I don't know if splashing black just for Liliana is totally justified, though I could definitely get behind the addition of tezzeret.
December 13, 2011 1:50 p.m.
They are both indeed good, but I still think I prefer the Plunge at the moment. In a 3 color deck, mana fixing is extremely important, and getting land out of the deck smooths out draws. They basically do the same thing, but the Mycosynth Wellspring helps ensure you will be able to play every thing needed. The black also flashes back the Forbidden Alchemy s. 1 swamp won't hurt the mana base, and the Wellsprings help with casting the Liliana. She allows me more options to throw my artifacts in the graveyard, so I think she is great. Tezzeret would be awesome to get in here also, though.
December 13, 2011 4:34 p.m.
Interesting idea, I like it. +1 just for it's uniqueness. I like the card:Phyrexia's Core in here, very smart idea. I'll look at this deck a good bit and see how I like it.
December 13, 2011 5:40 p.m.
Why are you not abusing Steel Sabotage on yourself...
December 13, 2011 6:53 p.m.
I love Slag Fiend. Then again, I love all underrated dollar rares and try to make decks with them. Mine ran artillerize and beast within, and both wellsprings. It was a little akward, but this is a great version of the same idea. I like it, but I don't really see Liliana being too useful aside from a win more or a target, which I try to avoid as much as possible. I like to establish a win before using any win mores. keep at it though!
December 13, 2011 9:09 p.m.
The Flight Spellbomb might be a nice toss for the Shrine of Burning Rage . I agree it'd be hard to fit in though. You could probably even get away with dropping a Mycosynth Wellspring . Honestly, if you cut the black (or at least splash it less), you might actually save yourself quite a bit of $ and make it a lot more consistent.
Go, Slag Fiend ! :P
December 14, 2011 12:04 a.m.
I do not like lilly in here. She's awkward and doesn't do anything constructive for your deck. "+1: Discard an artifact target player discards a card, Slag Fiend gets +1/+1" sounds pretty bad. Wouldn't you rather dig for more artifacts to sacrifice or turn your measly wellspring into a gigantic 5/5 beater?
I like Forbidden alchemy here to pitch cards to the yard, but I feel that Desperate Ravings is not what you're looking for. I think your deck needs Divination , Think Twice , Galvanic Blast , Furnace Celebration or even Ichor Wellspring in it's place.
I think you could drop the other two colors and make this mono red. Cards like Myr Sire are in LOVE with ferrovore. They've been datign on and off for about a year now. I like the deck. I just think you could cut some colors and power out more artifacts to be sacrificed via Ferrovore , Kuldotha Rebirth and Infernal Plunge
tl;dr -blue + black, + furnace celebration, + galvanic Blast +3 ichor wellspring -2 mycosynth wellspring -4 desperate ravings + kuldotha rebirth
December 14, 2011 2:25 a.m.
and the Shrine of Burning Rage sounds amazing in your deck
December 14, 2011 2:27 a.m.
Haha. This is a spiffy looking deck. Maybe take out the Liliana's though. Double black looks to be a bit of a problem. And I think it can stand to add more artifacts too. Possibly a playset of Ichor Wellspring ?
December 14, 2011 10:42 a.m.
Leaf-steel - Thanks man! Let me know how ya like it.
mugshotof_wyatt - Idk.
Skull_Creed - I'm not worried about money. I can currently make nearly every deck in standard. Also, I haven't playtested this yet, but I imagine it should be fairly consistent considering there are only 5 color-producing lands that don't produce the main color of the deck. The only thing that would ever be hard to cast would sometimes be Liliana, but the mana-fixing from Mycosynth Wellspring helps solve all that. I might consider taking her out though, as the general consensus seems to be against her.
Grinddbass - "-2: Target opponent's sacrifices a creature." I would totally never use that ability. Lily is an enabler and a magnificent control card in Solar Flare and every other deck that runs her, and getting artifacts into the grave is what the deck is about. I won't know how she does for sure until I playtest, so if she isn't performing well or is too hard to cast for some reason (which she shouldn't be), she might come out. Tezzeret might be the better choice. The thing about Panic Spellbomb - if they have one flying token, they are more than likely going to have multiple creatures on the board, as the decks that play those generally have quite other creatures. I'm getting tired of typing, so I'm going to summarize this last part. Shrine of Burning Rage is good. It might go in after testing. Myr Sire is bad. Mycosynth Wellspring > Ichor Wellspring in this deck. Furnace Celebration has some merit; could be good. I'll look into it more. Thanks for the thoughts and advice! I'll probably build this soon on mtgo and see how it does. (probably horribly, lol)
Miasma - If the Lily's go, more artifacts will take her place. I'm definitely going to playtest without her because I don't feel like droppoing 20 a piece on them on mtgo right now. Thanks man!
December 14, 2011 9:12 p.m.
On second thought, I think you should keep one liliana in sideboard. Kills other people's liliana's at the very least. eh, playing Fact or Fiction with someone's permanents is fun too though
December 14, 2011 9:39 p.m.
Ok, so I finally decided to take out Liliana. If you see this before I am done editing it, the mana base still reflects the way it was when it had to support her. I settled on Phyrexian Metamorph in her stead, because nothing is better than 6 Slag Fiend s!
December 15, 2011 2:20 a.m.
+1 for Slag Fiend s. Looks like a fun deck I wonder if maybe you should run more card:Phyrexia's Core - I really like how that would play out in this deck.
Furnace Celebration seems really fun in this deck, not sure if it's amazing. But seems fun!
December 15, 2011 4:23 a.m.
You honestly don't need to splash black, but if you are going to, don't do it for Forbidden Alchemy . You probably won't be able to flash it back without ramp. Do it for card:Altar's Reap or Nihil Spellbomb (sideboarded, of course).
Without card:Altar's Reap, you shouldn't worry about drawing the color. Nephalia Drownyard isn't worth the trouble of Mycosynth Wellspring and Stensia Bloodhall is just awful. I think Ichor Wellspring would be a better fit. ;)
December 15, 2011 7:39 a.m.
Ichor Wellspring will be much more useful once Faithless Looting comes out, because you can discard any artifact you draw with it manually.
Oh, and if you really want to make sure you have 3 colors, Sphere of the Suns will get you the mana you need, and it's a guilt-free sac.
December 15, 2011 7:44 a.m.
I've been mulling this over in my head for like 15 minutes and you seem to have your bases covered, and I get the purpose of the deck.
my concern is that although Slag Fiend can be fast, it is never as fast as you want it to be, keep that in mind. it is a one drop that is never going to hit the field turn one unless you are playing Chancellor of the Spires and hit an artifact by some miracle.
+1 Good luck!
December 15, 2011 3:04 p.m.
Add Slagstorm for board sweeps, which will help you out anyways. Then the deck would be Slag-tastic!
December 15, 2011 3:32 p.m.
I like it, maybe add Culling Dais for simple sack and ramping up that slagfiend?? also, it would give you some counters to draw and discard some artifacts haha.. Like it though, check I love the infernal plunge, so many shenanigans. Check out my deck Infernal Blood lemme know what you think. Thanks!
December 15, 2011 5:45 p.m.
I completely forgot about the metamorph. I think ichor wellspring is definitely needed in here as there's not a lot of draw and the mana for UR decks are TERRIBLE. I'm just advocating mono red. Tried to build a Mono Red version which you can check out on my profile. Needs more phyrexia's core. But I'm starting to like it and I'm warming up to running it at an FNM as it looks just janky enough that when i crush someone with it, it'll make me smile.
December 15, 2011 10:50 p.m.
Ritz_PBoD - Slag Fiend is a beast! I'm not really sure how many card:Phyrexia's Core are really needed. I have plenty of sacrifice outlets, currently, and adding more would take away room for the utility lands in the deck. 1 more might be needed; I haven't started testing on the deck yet so I don't know.
You are the second person to mention Furnace Celebration , also, so I will definitely look into it more. I like the concept, it's just always harder for the creator of a deck to find room for cards than it is for others. Tumble Magnet is a card that probably should be in here. It slipped my mind, so I'll see if I can squeeze in a copy or two. Thanks!
TikiShades - With the Mycosynth Wellspring s, I'd be willing to bet I could consistently flashback Forbidden Alchemy on turn 7, no problem. Nephalia Drownyard is quite good in this deck, as it boosts my Slag Fiend s and gives me more options with the flashback stuff I mill.
Stensia Bloodhall is indeed awful, everyone knows that, but why run a basic land over it? I should already be able to get all the land I need, and it provides a little bit more reach late game. I can think of plenty games with similar deck styles to this where 4-6 damage over a few turns would have won it for me. I imagine you've had similar situations and can understand where I'm coming from. Plus, I'm already running 4-of one of the worst rares in standard. Why not run more bad cards? haha.
Nihil Spellbomb will definitely be sideboarded. I did have card:Altar's Reap mainboard in the original build, but I eventually decided to take it out since my number of artifact creatures is relatively low, and I won't gain as much (+1 for the fiend is HUGE) of a beneft for sacrificing one of the actual 'good' creatures in here. Ichor Wellspring very well may be better, but I still think I'll need to do a split since mana fixing is always a problem with 3-colored decks. Speaking of, Sphere of the Suns is great. I don't know why I didn't think of it earlier. I can even remove it's final counter to sac itself to a Ferrovore and get it out of the way! I must find room for it now, haha. Thanks for the thougts and input! I love having ideas to think about and rebuttals to state my reasons for card choices.
December 16, 2011 2:53 a.m.
Witteee - The deck isn't supposed to be 'great' by any means (hence the title), but simply a reason to try out previously completely unused cards. Slag Fiend has plenty of potential, and nobody has really explored him yet. Also, I can indeed have him hit the field turn 1. Drop Memnite , sac it to Infernal Plunge , drop Slag Fiend and some 2 drop or whatever I have available. I know that isn't consistent, but it's nowhere near impossbile to do. Blazing Torch is an interesting thought. It pretty much functions as more Perilous Myr s. Would be nifty to have it on a Myr, tap the myr and sac it to kill something, sac the myr to kill something, and get in with a ton of damage haha. Thanks for the idea and thoughts!
Steimtime - Ha! The first time I read that, it didn't really click. Slagstorm could indeed be a very awesome addition. Would be really sweet if March of the Machines were standard so I could sweep up ALL my artifacts in one move and have a giant Fiend ready to destroy things. I like the idea! Thanks!
Gambit411 - Dude. Culling Dais is simply amazing. I am extremely glad you suggested that. Thank you kind sir. I will check out your deck soon! Thanks!
Grinddbass - Yeah, I see what you mean. If I were to go mono-red, I would definitely use Ichor of Mycosynth. I'll look at your version and see if I can sort of blend them a bit. I would still like to get Shrine of Burning Rage in here... There are just so many cards I am considering currently. All of the last comments have had magnificent ideas, and I only have so much room, lol. If you take either version to FNM, I will definitely applaud you for your awesomeness, haha.
So, there have been some VERY good ideas for the deck. These cards are the ones I am currently considering most for an addition:
- Shrine of Burning Rage
- Culling Dais
- Sphere of the Suns
- Tumble Magnet
- Blazing Torch
- Furnace Celebration
Which one(s) do you guys think makes the cut?
December 16, 2011 2:55 a.m.
Use Scry and preordain etc combined with card:Ghoulcaller's Bell to mill your artifacts.Very handy since you can do this with VERY low CMC cards.
December 16, 2011 8:25 a.m.
Also, the randomness of Desperate Ravings can really screw you over since its a card thrown away at random. I'd swap them for card:Ghoulcaller's Bells
December 16, 2011 8:27 a.m.
But even those cards can serve a niche in the proper deck. Slag Fiend doesn't even need to be built around, as long as you keep him in mind when building. I mean, as long as there are at least 2 artifacts in ALL graveyards, you're throwing down a 2/2 for only 1 mana, which is awesome!
December 16, 2011 12:10 p.m.
Josh5591 - There are no scry abilities in Standard, and Preordain isn't standard legal either. Also, it doesn't really matter what is thrown away with Desperate Ravings . It's meant to get more cards to throw away and sac.
December 16, 2011 1:14 p.m.
Yeah my deck was just called slag. So I play tested it again. I feel that the Forbidden alchemy's are powerful but too slow and punch your mana in the dick, if you get to 7 mana you're losing anyways, this NEEDs galvanic blast, Ichor wellspring needs to be in here for more card draw as you have essentially 8 win cons (metamorph needs a good target first) -1 fling it's actually not all that relevant and drawing one should be overkill (maybe -2), Maybe a Single Arc Trail . Desperate Ravings also just Seems plain awful. However I know this deck will abuse the crap out of faithless looting (just think about it ;] ) Culling dias seems nice in here and I clearly underestimated infernal plunge.
After a Quick Gatherer Search. You may be splashing the wrong color. Green gives you access to Sylvok Replica , Lead the Stampede and Kessig Wolf Run which can help your slagfiend + ferrovore more. Just a suggestion. I will play around with green and see what I come up with. Love the deck's potential, Even +1'd.
December 16, 2011 3:51 p.m.
ugh. nm misread lead the stampede. Definately NOT better than Forbidden Alchemy
December 16, 2011 3:55 p.m.
December 16, 2011 4:12 p.m.
You definetly want[throne of geth] with [shrine of burning rage] and some [spellskite] for protection and last second sac for the win! I am saying with [fling] CHECK IT
December 16, 2011 5:12 p.m.
Even though it doesn't stay in the yard, Spine of Ish Sah would be a fun addition. use an artillerize to pitch it at someone, then play it again next turn and blow up their planeswalker or land? yes sir. also, Geosurge could work really well too, if it's not already here. That's pretty demanding in mana cost and would pretty much force a mono red deck, but i like to throw it out there.
December 16, 2011 11:52 p.m.
Take a look at my deck Bringing it back for Life! :)
December 17, 2011 6:34 a.m.
December 18, 2011 10:51 a.m.
Yeah, it was a good SB card if Valakut was a big archetype in your local metagame, but it didn't exactly shut Valakut down or anything.
December 18, 2011 2:19 p.m.
Yeah, it was a good SB card if Valakut was a big archetype in your local metagame, but it didn't exactly shut Valakut down or anything.
December 18, 2011 2:19 p.m.
Grinddbass - I don't feel that I NEED Ichor Wellspring . Mycosynth Wellspring makes my Forbidden Alchemy s much more deadly, as I am less likely to draw land off of it and enabling to ditch more artifacts. Galvanic Blast would be fun to have in here, but I doubt I can make room for it currently. I did take out a Fling and edited it a bit to make it 'better' IMO. Kessig Wolf Run is an interesting idea, though, and I like it in your build, but I don't think it's right for mine.
Anathemancer15 - Spine of Ish Sah is a great card! I doubt I can support it in here without playtesting, but who knows, I might be able to. I'm about to build this online to test and check out my mana base, so I'll know if I can indeed support it. I don't think Geosurge is the card I'm looking for. If I were more artifact heavy I could probably use it.
December 19, 2011 1:12 a.m.
If you want artifacts in the graveyard, Piston Sledge is a VERY good way to get it done. And it can auto attach to your Slag Fiend as it enters. Then you can just "re-equip" it over and over again to the same Slag Fiend , thus wiping out all your artifacts at once. And with the Ichor Wellspring and Mycosynth Wellspring , that is SEVERE cards advantage and deck thinning. Believe me when I say that I have found the Sledge and Wellspring combo to be the most effective card draw and deck thinning method in standard right now.
That's just my food for thought.
December 19, 2011 11:56 a.m.
December 21, 2011 5:15 p.m.
Because I haven't seen this card suggested yet, and with 19 artifacts that could be thrown into the grave, maybe 2 Scrapyard Salvo 's? It can do as much damage as Slag Fiend but straight to the face to finish the game.
December 23, 2011 3:17 a.m.
Infernal Plunge makes your deck faster and gives the first card in your graveyard, you should consider use 1 or 2 more....
Phyrexian Metamorph is an awsome card and maybe I just don't get the meaning of it...but if your using him to copy Slag Fiend another option would be Citanul Flute which would enable pull all the Slag Fiend out of your deck and even other creatures if needed
I hope I could help you, maybe you'll check out my deck Elemental-Ghoul Combo Deck
December 23, 2011 8:24 p.m.
December 24, 2011 5:13 p.m.
I really love this. +1
December 24, 2011 8:16 p.m.
Just a minor thing.
Well, then good job. Keep up the good work.
December 27, 2011 3:04 a.m.
December 28, 2011 4:50 a.m.
Took my version to an FNM and went approximately 2-2. Bad draws an apparent horrible match-up. But It did well for a minor amount of testing with the deck. After playing, I loved the idea of fling and woulda been a cool draw in certain situations but over all its a nifty 1-of but not much better than that. Shrine of Burning Rage was just a house.
December 29, 2011 10:19 p.m.
Agreed to buffy. Scrapyard is such a strong card in this type of deck.
June 6, 2012 8:54 p.m.
As always a fun deck and of course commenting because two people commented on it in the last few minutes. I don't think scrapyard salvo is all that useful to be honest. If you are looking to improve it. I'd probably remove the desperate ravings for Reforge the Soul . Also Hellrider is fun with Kuldotha Rebirth
June 6, 2012 8:59 p.m.
I really want to make this for shits and giggles to play in just one FNM before rotation. Reforge the Soul definitely sounds strictly better than Desperate Ravings . Also, are you subscribed to this deck rckclimber777? Haha. Either that or you were super stalking my decks. I'm not even sure why I got the two comments on it out of nowhere considering I haven't done anything with this deck in a long time, although we talked about your version earlier. Whatever.
But guys, I think I gotta trust rckclimber on this one and leave out the Salvos since he has much more experience in this 'archetype' (term used loosely). And Hellrider is fun. I use him (actually Hero of Oxid Ridge IRL) in my Goblin deck with the Rebirth. in Do you think I can fit him in here?
June 7, 2012 3:30 a.m.
And buffy... You didn't actually +1 the deck! lol. This will be my tenth deck to receive 20 or more votes if you do so :D
June 7, 2012 3:31 a.m.
Also, feel free to check out my version of this deck, deck:slag-fiend-redone
June 7, 2012 10:58 a.m.
Haha, you're good. I'm about to have to do some work, so I'll check it out later tonight. Thanks again!
June 7, 2012 6:26 p.m.
Man, too bad this is too slow for modern. It's a hilarious deck idea though :)
January 3, 2016 10:16 p.m.
Actually, this deck could work if you played it as a Grixis Control deck. No fear, no steam vents.
Well, it won't be good, but like..... It'll be O.K.
In the SB you'll just wanna put things like Duress to hit specific decks you can't win against, and targeted graveyard removal like Tormod's Crypt. Perhaps even an Overgrown Tomb and a few Ancient Grudges...
- 4 Polluted Delta
- 4 Bloodstained Mire
- 1 Steam Vents
- 1 Blood Crypt
- 1 Watery Grave
- 4 Island
- 1 Mountain
- 1 Swamp
- 2 Sulfur Falls
1 Dragonskull Summit
4 Shrapnel Blast
- 3 Desperate Ravings
- 1 Think Twice
- 1 Vandalblast
- 2 Terminate
- 1 Rakdos Charm
- 4 Lightning Bolt
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Slag Fiend
2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
4 Ichor Wellspring
- 2 Mycosynth Wellspring
- 4 Chromatic Star
- 4 Chromatic Sphere
January 3, 2016 10:28 p.m.
I like this deck, I run one very similar to it. I prefer Salvage Titan over any other cards than Slag Fiend or Memnite. You can get a real quick win if you have multiples of Memnite's, Ornithopter's and Assault Strobe. Do not let the double get in your way of putting this guy in your deck. I rock him in my deck and have never had to pay his mana cost.
February 22, 2016 8:18 p.m.
gabrjaws This deck was made over 4 years ago, and was standard legal at the time haha. Thanks for the comment though!
February 24, 2016 9:13 p.m.
gabrjaws - Modern isn't really my thing. If money weren't an issue, I'd probably build something, but Standard and EDH keep me pretty busy regardless.
March 7, 2016 4:20 a.m.
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This deck is not Modern legal.Highlight illegal cards
|Illegal cards||Flight Spellbomb , Perilous Myr , Ferrovore , Memnite , Phyrexian Metamorph , Sphere of the Suns , Mycosynth Wellspring , Shrine of Burning Rage , Phyrexia's Core , Slag Fiend|
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