I hear what you're saying, but I can't escape the evidence that I keep seeing during playtesting: Revenge of the Hunted is the end of the game, with me as the victor... like, every time I use it!
Simply having a Silverblade Paladin bonded to a Wolfir Silverheart means that Revenge on a mana dork equals 30 unblockable damage!
September 22, 2012 11:45 p.m.
My brain must insist that its really (6x2)+(8x2) = 28. I'm all for hyperbole as a persuasive instrument . . . but math is truth in magic.
September 23, 2012 10:55 p.m.
I included the two damage the Arbor Elf would do after getting blocked by Hollowhenge Beast ... whistles
Nice catch though, math is king and truth is its crown. +1 to one of your decks, sir!
September 24, 2012 4:28 a.m.
Seems very powerful. My concern from my few play tests is end-game you don't have too consistent card draw and mana dorks are near dead draws, Collective Blessing may make them useful, but only when you draw them. +1 though, and check out my deck deck:populate-everything
September 24, 2012 10:37 p.m.
Heh heh, I believe you'll find that word on Revenge of the Hunted ... The Blessing is currently in there to try and make something of my mana dorks in the later game, and though it is very expensive to cast, my ramp can often get me there pretty easily.
I think that they will eventually come out, especially if I replace the Creature Ramp with Farseek and Selesnya Keyrune to avoid sorcery-speed removal that cuts my manabase.
September 27, 2012 11:32 a.m.
LOL, thanks... it was pretty pompous of me to claim. Now I have to make a new deck to try with non-creature ramp, which might even work better!
September 28, 2012 12:29 p.m.
Bad FNM, doing a major deck overhaul. This is the original deck, but I didn't play with four Temple Garden s, and I had mana problems. The Gavony Township colourlessness and the Arbor Elf s didn't work well together at all.
Creature (28)
2x Acidic Slime
4x Arbor Elf
2x Armada Wurm
4x card:Avacyn's Pilgrim
2x Thragtusk
Land (22)
6x Forest
6x Plains
Instant (4)
4x Cloudshift
Sorcery (4)
Enchantment (2)
Sideboard (18)
4x Farseek
Maybeboard (5)
1x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1x Ground Seal
I will archive this when I post the new deck.
October 7, 2012 1:10 p.m.
I'm also taking out the Elvish Visionary s for Strangleroot Geist s, and the Collective Blessing s for Call of the Conclave .
October 7, 2012 1:11 p.m.
I would probably take out the Acidic Slime s for Thrags, but it would be a hard decision. The Slimes are so versatile, and wonderful to bounce with Restoration Angel ... but the Thragtusk s are always good, work amazingly with the Angel, and are of interest to Trostani with the Beast tokens.
October 13, 2012 2:17 p.m.
I would go 3/3 on mana dorks over 4/2 as the elf is better if you draw a shockland. I would drop one 5/6 drop from your deck and add a land as 21 is a bit low if your curve is 6. 1 trostani and thrag would be good for the sideboard. If youvwant to look at my g/w list I would be happy to get some input from you again,Sigarda's army 2.0
October 14, 2012 9:30 a.m.
The curve is slightly deceptive, as four of the five 6-drops are Revenge of the Hunted , which I usually Miracle unless I draw it in the first few turns. I follow a formula where I use 24 lands in a 60-card deck, but I can drop a land for every two alternate mana sources, so 21 and 6 dorks is where I like to be, and it has been good so far.
I agree that the Arbor Elf interaction with Temple Garden is ideal in theory, but in practice I have found that it lets me down more than it makes a 'good' difference - 2 Sunpetal Grove s and a Plains and the Elf is useless. I don't want to be forced to mulligan just to make my mana dork work.
Thanks for the interest - it looks like this is going to be my FNM deck for a while, so I'm always interested in hearing ways to make it more deadly! I'll share some of the things that have worked best with you, over on Sigarda's Army!
October 14, 2012 9:58 a.m.
A great attack deck where the beatsticks shine mid game and does not relent. Plus +1 from me!
October 14, 2012 7 p.m.
i did some playtesting against 2 of my decks with this deck.
vs Sigarda's army 2.0 you win 5/9 games. your deck is slightly faster but if it gets to turn 6-8 i can win with cards like Champion of Lambholt , Garruk Relentless Flip , and card:Trostani, Selesnya's Voice. Miracles ended the game for whoever was the first to cast it
vs angel's miracle i win 3/5. when i control the board with board wipes at almost every turn after turn 3 you cant do much
October 15, 2012 11:14 a.m.
Thanks, Azure124, perhaps the sideboard of some Rootborn Defenses would help me against big sweeping decks!
October 15, 2012 3:33 p.m.
Unfortunately my friend as I have also been finding out, not against Terminus . The tokens that are left, the populate and the Cloudshift are what saves me most of the time. I hope you find something that works for you.
October 15, 2012 3:45 p.m.
I wonder if Selesnya Keyrune is a viable alternative to mana dorks in this kind of situation?
October 15, 2012 3:50 p.m.
It would be interesting to side in in place of them. Garruk Relentless Flip is also something to consider for siding against control
October 15, 2012 10:04 p.m.
I've been using your deck to playtest against my deck:rdw-ravnica-edition-1 build since it made top 8.
After playing about a dozen games here are some observations: 4x Revenge of the Hunted is excessive, seeing this in an opening hand is never a good thing; I had to take a ton of mulligans, 2 land hands with card:Avacyn's Pilgrim were pretty unplayable; mana was an occasional problem, your deck loses tempo when it can''t cast a turn 2 Strangleroot Geist , you need more green in your mana base.
Finally, A couple Thragtusk in the side board along with other lifegain tech would probably help against zombie/artist or if RDW is in your meta.
October 17, 2012 1:04 a.m.
Thanks, burnham! I'll take your thoughts under advisement, switch out a plains for a forest for starters. Dropping a Revenge is agreeable to me, it's true I have been seeing a lot of them in my opening hands, and I rarely hardcast them.
October 17, 2012 11:06 a.m.
If there is room I might even suggest a Garruk, Primal Hunter for some card draw and extra tokens for the populate. Seems to fit right in !
October 18, 2012 12:24 p.m.
I like the idea of Garruk, Primal Hunter and Garruk Relentless Flip , actually. But Hunter edges it out, even though he occupies the 5-drop slot like everything else awesome in this deck...
treevore says... #1
i would take out the revenges for 1 each of thragtusk and restoration angel. that combo with trostaniis just too good to only have 2 of each. then add 1 more of trostani and 1 wolfir. otherwise i like the ramp and potential bigness of this deck!! +1 from me
September 22, 2012 10:04 p.m.