Selesnyan Silverbond

what would you take out in place of more thrag?

October 13, 2012 12:44 p.m.

I would probably take out the Acidic Slime s for Thrags, but it would be a hard decision. The Slimes are so versatile, and wonderful to bounce with Restoration Angel ... but the Thragtusk s are always good, work amazingly with the Angel, and are of interest to Trostani with the Beast tokens.

October 13, 2012 2:17 p.m.

I would go 3/3 on mana dorks over 4/2 as the elf is better if you draw a shockland. I would drop one 5/6 drop from your deck and add a land as 21 is a bit low if your curve is 6. 1 trostani and thrag would be good for the sideboard. If youvwant to look at my g/w list I would be happy to get some input from you again,Sigarda's army 2.0

October 14, 2012 9:30 a.m.

The curve is slightly deceptive, as four of the five 6-drops are Revenge of the Hunted , which I usually Miracle unless I draw it in the first few turns. I follow a formula where I use 24 lands in a 60-card deck, but I can drop a land for every two alternate mana sources, so 21 and 6 dorks is where I like to be, and it has been good so far.

I agree that the Arbor Elf interaction with Temple Garden is ideal in theory, but in practice I have found that it lets me down more than it makes a 'good' difference - 2 Sunpetal Grove s and a Plains and the Elf is useless. I don't want to be forced to mulligan just to make my mana dork work.

Thanks for the interest - it looks like this is going to be my FNM deck for a while, so I'm always interested in hearing ways to make it more deadly! I'll share some of the things that have worked best with you, over on Sigarda's Army!

October 14, 2012 9:58 a.m.

A great attack deck where the beatsticks shine mid game and does not relent. Plus +1 from me!

October 14, 2012 7 p.m.

i did some playtesting against 2 of my decks with this deck.

vs Sigarda's army 2.0 you win 5/9 games. your deck is slightly faster but if it gets to turn 6-8 i can win with cards like Champion of Lambholt , Garruk Relentless  ^Flip , and card:Trostani, Selesnya's Voice. Miracles ended the game for whoever was the first to cast it

vs angel's miracle i win 3/5. when i control the board with board wipes at almost every turn after turn 3 you cant do much

October 15, 2012 11:14 a.m.

Cool deck +1

October 15, 2012 12:43 p.m.

Thanks, Azure124, perhaps the sideboard of some Rootborn Defenses would help me against big sweeping decks!

October 15, 2012 3:33 p.m.

@Long_Con

Unfortunately my friend as I have also been finding out, not against Terminus . The tokens that are left, the populate and the Cloudshift are what saves me most of the time. I hope you find something that works for you.

October 15, 2012 3:45 p.m.

I wonder if Selesnya Keyrune is a viable alternative to mana dorks in this kind of situation?

October 15, 2012 3:50 p.m.

It would be interesting to side in in place of them. Garruk Relentless  ^Flip is also something to consider for siding against control

October 15, 2012 10:04 p.m.

I've been using your deck to playtest against my deck:rdw-ravnica-edition-1 build since it made top 8.

After playing about a dozen games here are some observations: 4x Revenge of the Hunted is excessive, seeing this in an opening hand is never a good thing; I had to take a ton of mulligans, 2 land hands with card:Avacyn's Pilgrim were pretty unplayable; mana was an occasional problem, your deck loses tempo when it can''t cast a turn 2 Strangleroot Geist , you need more green in your mana base.

Finally, A couple Thragtusk in the side board along with other lifegain tech would probably help against zombie/artist or if RDW is in your meta.

October 17, 2012 1:04 a.m.

Thanks, burnham! I'll take your thoughts under advisement, switch out a plains for a forest for starters. Dropping a Revenge is agreeable to me, it's true I have been seeing a lot of them in my opening hands, and I rarely hardcast them.

October 17, 2012 11:06 a.m.

If there is room I might even suggest a Garruk, Primal Hunter for some card draw and extra tokens for the populate. Seems to fit right in !

October 18, 2012 12:24 p.m.

I like the idea of Garruk, Primal Hunter and Garruk Relentless  ^Flip , actually. But Hunter edges it out, even though he occupies the 5-drop slot like everything else awesome in this deck...

October 18, 2012 2:08 p.m.

I have been trying out card:Druid's Deliverance and it seems like a decent sideboard card against other aggroselesnya decks... just let them attack and then hit them back with more :)

October 21, 2012 8:47 p.m.

Great deck! +1 :)

October 22, 2012 9:22 a.m.

whats the fastest you can kill someone?

October 23, 2012 11 a.m.

Let's see... first hand of card:Avacyn's Pilgrim, Call of the Conclave , Silverblade Paladin , Temple Garden , Rancor , Forest , Sunpetal Grove ...

1: Temple Garden, and cast Pilgrim

2: Sunpetal Grove, call Centaur, Rancor it

3: Draw Revenge of the Hunted , put it on the Centaur, lay Forest, cast Paladin and bond, swing with Centaur for 22 trample damage

Turn 3 kill under ideal conditions!

October 23, 2012 11:42 a.m.

my deck does equal damage.hi fivesturn1: abundant growth (forest or temple garden)

turn 2: fencing ace (any untapped)

turn 3: rancor + 2x ethereal armour (source of white)

11/9 doublestrike trample

October 23, 2012 11:13 p.m.

Very impressive... my friend Ixthinon also thought of another way for my deck, slightly edging it out:

T1: Temple Garden and Pilgrim

T2: Sunpetal Grove, Paladin, soulbond to Pilgrim

T3: Draw Revenge of the Hunted , lay it on the Paladin, Forest, Rancor, Rancor

Paladin attacks as a 12/8 trampling double-striker!!

October 23, 2012 11:28 p.m.

nice haha, i could run revenge of the hunted but i find my deck more reliable without it

October 24, 2012 2:35 a.m.

Just because it's a competition, I want to update my entry. :)

T1: Temple Garden , Arbor Elf

T2: Sunpetal Grove , Silverblade Paladin (bonded with Elf)

T3: Draw and cast Revenge of the Hunted , Forest, Rancor , Rancor , Rancor , all on the Paladin, who becomes 14/8.

Turn three swing for 28 Trampling!

October 24, 2012 11:33 a.m.

Nice deck btw :-). +1

I can see how fast you can get away with damaging players, if only I had some Silverblade Paladin s.

I do have a question about the Selesnya Keyrune + Rancor and what happens to when it returns to being an artifact? Very interested in the keyrune because Golgari Charm has become a slight annoyance for my mana dorks.

October 24, 2012 11:45 a.m.

have put in. revenge of the hunted and avacyns pilgrimturn 1: pilgrim

turn 2: fencing ace + rancor

turn 3: miracle revenge of the hunted + 2x ethereal armour

swing for 15/13 double strike trample lure. with a mana to spare.

October 24, 2012 11:50 a.m.

use that extra mana for an ethereal armour and its 21/19 doublestrike trample lure.

October 24, 2012 12:18 p.m.

Sweeeet!! That is some major turn three damage, I love how the Armors buff each other!

alucardbelmont, I belive the Rancor would return to your hand at the end of the turn after being put on a Keyrune. I have also considered Keyrunes to avoid dork-kills, but my playtests were all a couple of turns slower than I like. :( Turn 3 you play a Keyrune, instead of swinging for 20 trample damage. LOL But hey, if your opponent is spending cards, mana, and turns early on to kill your mana dorks, then you have a bit more time to get things together.

October 24, 2012 3:46 p.m.

Sweeeet!! That is some major turn three damage, I love how the Armors buff each other!

alucardbelmont, I belive the Rancor would return to your hand at the end of the turn after being put on a Keyrune. I have also considered Keyrunes to avoid dork-kills, but my playtests were all a couple of turns slower than I like. :( Turn 3 you play a Keyrune, instead of swinging for 20 trample damage. LOL But hey, if your opponent is spending cards, mana, and turns early on to kill your mana dorks, then you have a bit more time to get things together.

October 24, 2012 3:46 p.m.

Sweeeet!! That is some major turn three damage, I love how the Armors buff each other!

alucardbelmont, I belive the Rancor would return to your hand at the end of the turn after being put on a Keyrune. I have also considered Keyrunes to avoid dork-kills, but my playtests were all a couple of turns slower than I like. :( Turn 3 you play a Keyrune, instead of swinging for 20 trample damage. LOL But hey, if your opponent is spending cards, mana, and turns early on to kill your mana dorks, then you have a bit more time to get things together.

October 24, 2012 3:47 p.m.

i wanna play it in double headed giant now. still 12 dmg overkill

October 25, 2012 12:07 a.m.

Have you considered Gavony Township over Grove of the Guardian ? What about Loxodon Smiter or Centaur Healer in there over Strangleroot Geist ?

November 7, 2012 12:58 a.m.

geist is better as it has haste which can be very devastating when paired with a Silverblade Paladin and you can swing in and not worry with it

November 7, 2012 9:42 a.m.

I originally had Gavonys in there, two of them. They always kind of underwhelmed me, like, I could put a counter on everything, or I could lay down a Wolfir Silverheart or a Thragtusk . Also, the colourlessness of them screwed me a couple of times. I switched to one Grove, and I've been pretty happy with it, I guess. It's rare that I get the Elemental, but it happens.

I am experimenting right now with replacing two Call of the Conclave s with two Loxodon Smiter s, but I could handle taking out two Geists instead.

Strangleroot Geist is never bad, but Call of the Conclave is bigger, and it survives Pillar of Flame s that exile my Geists.

November 7, 2012 10:27 a.m.

Just gave props to you and this deck in my I put a wolf and a bird in my enlarged Pee-Pole! build.

November 17, 2012 8:21 p.m.