Machinations of the Draconian

Commander / EDH MrAwesomeSocks

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New Primer is Live!!! —May 4, 2017

Hello everyone! The new primer is here! And for those unhappy with the change, I reuploaded the old deck. Currently rebuilding it, just lacking the foils haha. Please check out both!

So, how does the Hermit Druid combo actually work? Clearly, it's going to mill every card in your deck when it goes off. But how does that make it quicker?

Do you have to have another card on the battlefield or in your hand to take advantage of so many cards being in the graveyard? Or is there some synergy with a specific card going to the graveyard?

March 7, 2017 11:43 a.m.

enpc says... #2

JerichoDarkstar: I depends which Hermit Druid combo you want to run but the best is:

Hermit Druid mills entire deck, hitting Narcomoeba, Dread Return and Fatestitcher as well as Morselhoarder, Devoted Druid, Necrotic Ooze and Spikeshot Elder.

Unearth Fatestitcher and sac it, Narcomoeba and HD to Dread Return flashing back Necrotic Ooze.

Now Ooze has Devoted Druid's ability to untap itself by putting a -1/-1 counter on itself an Morselhoarder's ability to remove -1/-1 counters to get mana. It also has Spikeshot Elder's ability to do a bunch of damage given mana.

March 7, 2017 4:22 p.m.

Kinpa6Ansatsu says... #3

A better path is to Dread Return Angel of Glory's Rise,this card will then return Azami, Lady of Scrolls and Laboratory Maniac. Tap the labman win the game.

March 8, 2017 12:27 a.m.

enpc says... #5

Kinpa6Ansatsu: Morselhoarder, Devoted Druid and Necrotic Ooze fit better into the overall shell of the deck as you can replace Spikeshot Elder with Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius. The other thing is that Once you have Nooze in play, it's basically impossible for your opponent to respond. The -1/-1 counter happens as part of the cost, not the ability and Morselhoarder's ability is a mana ability, meaning your opponent can't respond to it. The Labman combo gives you one level of redundancy as you can tap both him and Azami. I know which one I would prefer.

Not to mention that outside of combo at least Devoted Druid provides ramp whereas the cards in the labman package provide next to no value outside of that one combo.

March 8, 2017 1:12 a.m.

Kinpa6Ansatsu says... #6

That makes good sense. Did not think about it that way.

March 8, 2017 7:42 a.m.

@enpc and Kinpa6Ansatsu

Thanks! I had no idea about those combos at all. That really helps.

March 8, 2017 8:05 a.m.

Chiberia says... #8

Ill sell my Kidneys to buy this

March 8, 2017 11:19 a.m.

MrAwesomeSocks says... #9

enpc: Seriously, I should just pay you to make my replies for me haha!

JerichoDarkstar: Exactly as enpc says! I'm also including the Animate Dead + Worldgorger Dragon combo as back up in case something goes wrong (ex. someone exiles Necrotic Ooze). You start the combo by targeting Sun Titan with Dread Return. Sun Titan hits Animate Dead, and you know the drill from there. The added benefit is that Sun Titan comes in every time, potentially bringing back all your lands and any creatures (mana dorks maybe?) you find useful.

Kinpa6Ansatsu: I'm not planning to add the Angel of Glory's Rise + Azami, Lady of Scrolls + Laboratory Maniac due to the lack of synergy with the deck. Everything is just dead in my hand/ on field until I'm ready to end the game.

wyatt0781: While a kidney does earn you upwards of $80k, I don't recommend it. It's just cardboard after all. :D

March 10, 2017 10:01 a.m.

Hey everyone! I've updated it here reflecting the changes I've made to the deck in real life. The updated Primer will be up soon, hopefully. All depends on my work schedule. Let me know what you guys think and if you have any questions regarding the new list. You guys are the greatest!

March 29, 2017 1:33 a.m.

kilgore says... #11

I'm sad because it's falling away from dragon combo tribal.

Looks like a strong hermit druid list tho.

March 29, 2017 9:43 a.m.

kilgore: Yeah, I'm trying to find that balance between Dragon combo and HD combo. I might be adding in Scourge of Valkas for when the Animate Dead + Worldgorger Dragon combo is going off. There's still plenty of tweaks to be made. If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears!

March 29, 2017 10:38 a.m.

Hamster2558 says... #13

Spirit of Resistance may be a good card in here. When Scion of the Ur-Dragon He still has his 5 color CMC right?

March 30, 2017 11:09 a.m.

kilgore says... #14

So are you activating hermit to get the worldgorger combo going?

What about Laboratory Maniac? Seems a little more reliable hermit druid path to victory.

In all honesty, I really liked the flavor of the dragon combo list. Savage ventmaw + aggravated assault. Niv-mizzet + curiosity etc.

Hermit druid lists seem to have taken a fall from favor of players. Replaced by Food Chain decks (prossh, tazeri) i don't think this make HD bad necessarily. It is still a fast deck and I'm curious to read your primer.

March 30, 2017 11:44 p.m.

kilgore says... #15

I see you're running ooze, devoted druid and morselhearder. This seems like the most streamlined HD win.

March 31, 2017 12:27 a.m.

kilgore says... #16

Still interested in reading the updated primer!

April 6, 2017 8:22 a.m.

enpc says... #17

Once it's released, the new Channeler Initiate can be a good replacement for Morselhoarder. Your opponent has a chance to interrupt, but you're adding a functional mana dork.

April 6, 2017 8:56 a.m.

kilgore: Sorry, work has been killing me. I have Saturday off. I should have it up by then!

April 7, 2017 10:39 a.m.

enpc: Actually, I'd probably run both! This might be a decent replacement for Noble Hierarch. I'm having trouble getting my hands on a foil one.

April 7, 2017 10:41 a.m.

@MrAwesomeSocks

Cascading Cataracts

This just got spoiled from Amonkhet.

Dying to get your thoughts on it. I know you could have essentially run Crystal Quarry in this deck for the same effect, but I didn't know if that Indestructible would make a difference on your opinion.

April 13, 2017 11:06 a.m.

Sorry for the double post, but it wouldn't let me edit.

I also just noticed that it adds five mana of any combination. It's not just one of each color, which makes it more versatile and strictly better than Crystal Quarry.

April 13, 2017 11:12 a.m.

neosapien says... #22

I totally expected Soulflayer in here

April 26, 2017 10:29 p.m.