So I'm basically making Scion of the Ur-Dragon deck this from scratch. At its completion i hope to play it at tournaments.
and several other nice tricks to boot.
This is what i've got so far, all advice is apreciated...
Saturday july 28, the league at Murray State University held an EDH event where 8 people showed up.
I won in my pod of 4 players. My opponents were wunning Omnath, Mimeoplasm, and Jor Kadeen. Lots of eldrazi hit the field after a kicked Rite of Replication on omnath's pathrazwe of ulamog, Mimeoplasm was looking very threatening.
I ended up winning because I was able to pull off the Hoverbear combo, [hellkite charger + Bear Umbra
The people who moved on agreed to split the prize, so we played a massive multiplayer match that was completely derp and epic at the same time.
I haven't updated in awhile, but Scion has been ever changing.
I've worked on the mana base, adding shocks and some rocks,card advantage is at an all time high with Sensei's Divining Top
Took out cards that didn't really fit, some players will be relieved to see Magister Sphinx go.
New Toy: So I got this card called Hermit Druid . I run 5 basic lands in the deck and if I get good results with this guy, I may end up replacing them.
Hermit Druid allows me to self- mill in the early game, hopefully putting a ton of dragons in my graveyard to reanimate as early as turn 3 if I have the mana.
Pretty much a small overhaul after recieving a large collection of cards from SardonRayne.
Chandra joins the Callback list as Garruk Wildspeaker ramps into a tryout for a spot.
Added all the basic lands so now I have a total of 35.
-took a gamble by taking out Beacon of Unrest . Opinions or advice on that move would be nice.
New Recruits: Dragon Tyrant
I would add Worldgorger Dragon . All you need to do is have Necromancy , Animate Dead or Dance of the Dead in hand, cast scion, put Worldgorger Dragon in the grave with scion's ability, then cast one of those reanimators on him and get infinite mana! Which you can of course use through Shivan Hellkite to win the game. Nicol Bolas would be good too.
I thought about throwing my Worldgorger Dragon in. Bolas just wasn't doing it though. I love the infinite mana with worldgorger though, so I might flop around some ideas. Thanks :D
then again, I love aggro; here's mine - Smaug's Spectrum Alliance
Bloom Tender + Freed from the Reel, Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind + Curiosity , Teneb, the Harvester , Balefire Dragon , Numot, the Devastator , Nicol Bolas , Privileged Position , Training Grounds , Channel the Suns useful cards with Scion.
Thanks MiniDragon, I like a lot of these, and I think i'll try to work them in. I could see them doing well.I don't really like Numot or Teneb though, I've tried them and they just don't pan out. Any ideas on what to replace with the suggested cards?
What do you guys think of taking out the basic lands, throwing in a Reminisce to fetch with Genesis , and grabbing Viscera Seer and Yosei, the Morning Star for locks if I can't get the dragons through?
I like it. If you'd like, check out my Scion EDH deck:
This is what I'm currently running, and it's really good so far. You could get some ideas from it.
Thanks! I'll have a look, Cobthecobbler.
I already have Hermit Druid in here, so let me pose a question.What are your thoughts on adding a Shivan Hellkite , Necrotic Ooze , and Morselhoarder for the sake of dragons tap danceing people to death?
Honestly, I don't believe Hermit Druid belongs in here. It belongs in a much more dedicated deck where you have room for the full combo, and there's nothing distracting you from it. Like in this deck:
The problem with putting Hermit Druid in a Scion deck is your commander becomes insanely less effective, essentially taking everything away from his pool of cards to copy. Sure, you can reanimate some of them, but if you're putting all your recursion into the graveyard, then what do you have to reanimate with? Unburial Rites is the only reliable reanimation in that situation. Best case, you have Sheoldred, Whispering One out on the field before your druid goes off.
I've tried him before, but he doesn't work the way you'd like 100% of the time. As for the other cards you suggested, I can't give you any real advice because I'm unsure of the combo you're proposing.
Hmm, I haven't heard this side of the coin yet. I always appreciate getting outside opinions, thanks! Also, the deck suggestion is awesome! But pricey. Though for these reasons I think I'll be keeping my Hermit Druid .
I've never had a real problem with my deck being dependent on him. Actually, he's never really hindered it or taken over unless I wanted him to. He's just another combo piece, but with more utility.
You can always just use him as a land fetch.Also, you don't have to use his ability if you don't have recursion in your hand. If you don't, then you have a few options. Chump blocker, or your opponents may just get paranoid about the ability and make him eat a removal or boardwipe that would otherwise be thrown at Scion.
My general rule for EDH is not to add a card with only one use, and Hermit Druid has proven itself through quite a few games and in a few different roles.
I do need something like Reminisce or Junktroller , or maybe another anti-decking card in here. I once did a Living Death to kill a few people and then Hallowed Burial 'd the board to keep from decking.
That's just my take. I get your reasoning and "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," right? Lol so if it's working for you, by all means, let it work.
No worries, I'm glad to actually have someone point out potential flaws. My local meta, aside from SardonRayne and a couple others, seems to think it a bit broken and won't look past that to actually critique it.
It's always good to have some cons to weigh against the pros. It really gives you the insight you need to tell if a card is completely worth it.
Now, if you add Rise of the Dark Realms , you could use Hermit Druid to dump most of your bombs and just reanimate all of them at once. That seems fun.
Basically go from non-threatening to everyone scoops in one turn.
Just throwing an idea that could be used as an alternate win-con. The pieces may not ever come together in this EDH deck, but any source of infinite mana + Blue Sun's Zenith on target opponent, or on yourself + Laboratory Maniac . Thoughts? The combos are in a lot of BUG combo decks, not sure if they'd fit in a Scion combo deck though.
Necrotic Ooze and Morselhoarder are infinite mana, but I always have trouble choosing cards to take out for others. I'm considering adding those at least. Maybe I can find a spot for the Zenith, and the Maniac would definitely encourage decking. As you said, it may be inconsistant, but we'll see.
@Generalsplat indeed. What should I throw out for him?
maybe. I't fun to have a nuke button but it doesn't usually get pushed.
Yosei, the Morning Star or Keiga, the Tide Star could be funny for when people try to kill Scion. Someone plays Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre and targets your scion. In response you turn him into Keiga and take their Eldrazi :)
Oh nvm, Yosei and Keiga are in your Sideboard. My bad :x
I do need to get a spot for Keiga in there. Any suggestions on what to switch?
Mmm. Maybe Karrthus? It really sucks when people copy him :/ Or maybe Moltensteel as it's also kinda akward when you pay a ton of life and they kill it in response.
Also Mistveil Plains so you can keep tutoring the same card.
Hmm. I had reanimate in here, but I took it out for animate dead.
Tunnel Vision has some potential, and Scourge definitely has a spot.
My Maximum was 6000 damage, think about it xD
could be a ton of fun. I may just add both of those... first I have to get a scourge and find out what should be replaced.
@adventfaith: Maybe, I don't see why bringing out dragons is a bad thing, especially because they're probably going to get reanimated. What do you suggest sacking for it though?
Ok first off love scion! Second you NEED Channel the Suns for your turn 2-3 kill! I run Scourge of Valkas +Splinter Twin +Intruder Alarm and use Diabolic Revelation to get all the pices in hand. Check it out i aint lost a game yet A Dragon by any other name
Woah! Hold up! I didn't even think of that one, nice suggestions Kozelek
Wheel of Sun and Moon provides an interesting interaction with Scion. With his ability, the creature(s) you tutor for don't actually have to hit the grave for him to become the creature, just that you found it. So you can search for a dragon have Scion become it and have the dragon go to the bottom of your library to re-tutor for.
Yeah, I like the Spectral Searchlight better. I've been snooping around for one locally.
Also MiniDragon: Good suggestions with the Karrthus combo. I'll be looking for one of those. Well played! I tend to like mass reanimation, but targeted ones are also nice, especially if I were to run that Wheel of Sun and Moon . I think if I SB'd Wheel and a bunch of targeted reanimate, it might help the deck with different situations. Thoughts?
@ helltoWheel of Sun and Moon Wont work. Scion says to put a creature in the yard. IF YOU DO... he becomes a copy. If you use wheel, the creature will never hit the yard, and thus scion will NOT Copy IT. Intervening if clauses... I understand the confusion.
After looking at some of the threads regarding Wheel of Sun and Moon , and consulting chat.magicjudges I am even more confused. The overwhelming consensus is that scion will indeed become a copy, which means that Rest in Peace or Leyline of the Void will also not affect his ability... It just feels wrong to me, but Its entirely possible that im the one who is wrong. I think I will e-mail Judgecast and let the gents there hash it out. I like the deck though. +1!
Looking at it myself I'd say it works cause as far as scion is concerned you searched out a dragon and put it in your graveyard that's all it cares about not if the card actually went to the graveyard, you payed the cost, you get the reward! Now if the : was after the "put it in the graveyard" part then it would be part of the cost but it's before that part so it's part of the effect and just cause one part of the effect gets altered don't mean the rest fails, just like if you Lightning Helix a creature and then someone plays Gods Willing giving it pro red you will still gain the 3 life right?
Actually I think if the target of a spell like Lightning Helix becimes illegal while it's on the stack, I believe the spell cant resolve, so you wouldn't gain the three life...
Yeah, thats the one and only ruling on Lightning Helix at gatherer. If the target becomes illegal as it tries to resolve, NONE of its effects happen. You will not gain 3 life.
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