the only thing that makes me nervous about this deck is the lack of creature removal. it works like a boss though! +1
October 19, 2012 2:06 a.m.
Looks really good friend +1! May I make some suggestions?I highly recommend Shrieking Affliction . The lose of 3 life every turn for only one swamp! I'd drop 2x card:Wit's End and one Mental Agony for 3x Sign in Blood just for some draw.
October 19, 2012 2:07 a.m.
@CrimsonKing: I like the idea of Shrieking Affliction . card:Wit's End I was a bit unsure of, but thought it might be handy late game in case of an opponent somehow getting a hand back. In saying that, games with this deck shouldn't get to late game.I'm not sure about Sign in Blood as I don't really like to have anything in hand when Liliana of the Veil is doing her +1 dance.
October 19, 2012 2:18 a.m.
@SplodyCopter: Most of the creature removal is in the sideboard. I'm up for suggestions for other things! :)
October 19, 2012 2:20 a.m.
October 19, 2012 2:22 a.m.
Shrieking Affliction hurts your opponent only if your opponent decides to let it hurt them. They can simply hold onto cards and turn Affliction blank. A control deck won't have a problem holding on to cards, and an aggro deck will plan on simply racing the life loss. I think the card's not very good. I've definitely been wrong before, though, and the heavy amount of discard here makes the deck poised to take advantage of it.
card:Wit's End, however, is flat-out a bad card. Yes, there are a few moments where you'll be able to blow someone who's holding a full grip of cards out with it, but those moments are very rare. Consider:
- By turn 7+ when you can cast the spell, the opponent will likely only have one or two cards left in their hand, so you're spending 5BB and your whole turn for a Mind Rot ;
- If your opponent does have a lot of cards, it's probably because they're playing control. Control also plays counterspells, which completely obviate this card (they will definitely counter this spell if it means the difference between losing their hand or not);
- Assuming that you get this in and hit someone with it, it will only work once. From then on your opponent will either make sure to dump their hand by turn 7 (see point 1) or save a counterspell and leave mana up for it (see point 2).
October 19, 2012 2:37 a.m.
@MagnorCriol Thanks for the awesome analysis on card:Wit's End. You make a powerful argument against it. The time that I was thinking it is useful is against things like Tamiyo, the Moon Sage 's -2 right after you've swung in with a few rats. But as you say, a blue deck is usually going to be running counters against this.
Gravepurge is a sneaky little move, I think I might have to head down the road and pick a couple up tomorrow.
October 19, 2012 7:10 a.m.
October 19, 2012 10:55 a.m.
Shrieking Affliction is an obvious choice, but what about card:Curse of Death's Hold? Add in maybe 3 or 4 of those babies and they can't have creatures!
October 19, 2012 1:29 p.m.
@TheLouie57: Thanks for the suggestion. After thinking about it; having a rat swinging in for 4 in turn two feels more important in an aggro deck than extra draw. I might add Sign in Blood to the sideboard.
October 19, 2012 8:17 p.m.
will the deck still be competitive with out liliana?
October 22, 2012 10:37 a.m.
@darkgathering: I'm currently play-testing it on MTGO without Lilli. It's not as potent, but still winning games.
October 24, 2012 3:57 a.m.
seems like there would be some problems against reanimator. maybe you could put in something like card:Tormod's Crypt or Vile Rebirth ? I think this is a cool deck and I think i'm gonna try my own take on it . Good luck with improving the deck!
October 24, 2012 10:57 p.m.
@JcBambi: You're right on the reanimator. I've updated the sideboard to deal with this a bit more.
October 26, 2012 8:18 p.m.
Altar's Reap > Sign in Blood in this deck, why? - opponents sever the bloodline & detention spheres
October 27, 2012 3:58 a.m.
i agree card:Altar's Reap is by far the better option over Sign in Blood no life gain you feel me. Demonmail Hauberk might be a good one instead of all those solo enchants Trepanation Blade it just seems to me that your enchanted rat becomes a target so use things u can re equip. and last but not least Grimoire of the Dead bring all your rats back
October 28, 2012 5:19 a.m.
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October 28, 2012 11:37 p.m.
You guys are awesome. I love this community and want to thank you all for the feedback :)
Shrieking Affliction was doing a lot of work on game day on the weekend.
card:Altar's Reap would also go well with the Drainpipe Vermin I think.
October 31, 2012 5:15 a.m.
No problem friend, and I know right?! This community is great! Also, I like the idea of card:Altar's Reap + Drainpipe Vermin ...why didn't I think of that?