pie chart

Purphoros and Krenko (Multiplayer EDH Primer)

Commander / EDH Aggro Burn Competitive Group Slug Primer Tokens

ay.lobo


Description

Want to destroy all of your opponents quickly and simultaneously without attacking? With tokens, here's how.

I decided to do a spawn-the-field (with a small Goblin theme) Commander deck, because no one wanted to play with my Modern Goblin deck. (Also, I really love Goblin Lackey, and he was untouchable before when I stayed in the Standard/Modern formats!) Yes, there are creature cards of all sorts that bring out more than just Goblins, but they are the best within the Red color format that keeps this deck alive and kicking (hard!) not just in 1v1 games, but also within multiplayer games!

After lots of research, testing, and changes, this whole thing is finally a good Purphoros EDH primer to start with. This is a very competitive Purphoros deck, and there's been lots of changes to make this deck last longer, protect itself from disruptions, and covers its weaknesses. It's a pretty fun deck to play. Best thing about this super simple deck is that new EDH players can use it easily and rack up some wins, too!

To begin with, Purphoros is used as the commander instead of Krenko, because of a few reasons:

  1. He can attack several opponents at once with his ability just by sitting there as an indestructible enchantment. Literal God status.
  2. You can tutor for Krenko with multiple cards ("target Goblin card", etc), but you can't tutor for Purphoros with pure red decks.
  3. He is Indestructible, which protects him from most board wipes and Deathtouch and the like.
  4. Speeds up the game. Seriously, a Commander that deals 2 DMG to every opponent for every creature will speed up games like nothing you've seen before.
  5. Planeswalker annihilator. His ability can be redirected to a planeswalker that player controls. Goodbye, pesky super friends Atraxa, Praetors' Voice Decks.

What makes this deck good? Several points:

1. It's Cheap Show

2. Deck Cycling/Drawing/Tutoring Show

3. (Unexpectedly Great) Mana Ramp Show

4. Control Show

5. Destruction Show


How to Play: Show


Speeds up WinCon: Show


Infinite Combos and Other Win Conditions Show


Cards that didn't make the cut (and why): Show


Modest Budget? Substitute! Show


I'm always looking forward to any comments and/or improvements. Please also suggest what to exchange for said improvements. I enjoy any suggestions, and I try to put much thought about them. I tend to update often thanks to good reminders. If you like any of my decks, don't forget to give ol' Lobo here some love.

P.S.: with Blasphemous Act, the deck CMC range is from 2.69-2.82.

Updates

After many more games and getting more comfortable with Purphoros, I find that there were cards that were slowing the deck down. Changes made:

Out/In:

Browbeat/Mind Stone

Goblin Tinkerer/Vandalblast

Goblin Rally/Pia and Kiran Nalaar

Goblin Marshal/Outpost Siege

Descent of the Dragons/Statutory

Goblin Matron/Fault Line

I've sadly come to realize that it's not as goblin themed as before, with only 5 goblin cards remaining. (Going to have to figure out a new title without Krenko, yikes.) But this deck is better overcoming it's weaknesses and has more control than thought possible.

Comments View Archive

ay.lobo says... #2

master274. Ah, If you want us to compare decks, that was an unusual way of asking.


Where Krenko decks tend to be speedy and death by goblin tokens in some fashion, Purphoros is consistent and uses all kinds of tokens.


In terms of threats, Krenko and Purphoros are both big threats. Difference is that Krenko is easily killed, Purphoros as an indestructible enchantment, not so easy to kill.


Krenko decks have an anthem theme to them (spawn tribal tokens, make them huge!) which makes them stuck from things like Ghostly Prison or Dueling Grounds. Purphoros decks focuses on Purphoros' ETB ability which makes decks have a weakness against Torpor Orb.


In terms of durability and versatility, I would still stay with a Purphoros deck. A 4 pod game I played last Sunday included many board wipes and destruction. Nevinyrral's Disk was even used twice. I had to kill my Krenko with the rest of the board. It was a long game (turn 13), versus Odric, Wanderer Maelstrom, and Oloro decks, yet Purphoros endured until the end and won. Oh, and it was fun!


Anyways, yeah, those are my thoughts when comparing Krenko to Purphoros. Not necessarily our decks, but a general comparison.

March 21, 2017 8:04 a.m.

sabba5600 says... #3

I built a very similar list a month or so back and here is some of my favorite cards for the deck.

Mana Echoes <-- absolutely stupid amounts of mana can come off of this card
Skirk Prospector more mana, Moggcatcher goblin tutor, Myr Battlesphere 10 damage please, Flameshadow Conjuring copy any of your token producing creatures for one red.........

March 26, 2017 1:33 a.m.

sabba5600 says... #4

oh yea forgot to mention that Flameshadow Conjuring lets Grinning Ignus go infinite

March 26, 2017 1:37 a.m.

ay.lobo says... #5

Hey sabba5600. I've seen Mana Echoes a lot lately. It definitely could be fun, seeing as there's a lot of mana to be gain.


I don't run enough goblins for Skirk Prospector to work his magic with. Same with Moggcatcher, I ended up replacing him for Gamble.


Myr Battlesphere was a great card, but a fellow commenter got me to thinking to change him with Knollspine Dragon for more draw power. Since the deck already has about 25% cards making tokens, it wouldn't hurt to think about the problem which is draw power. It's still a great card, though.


Hmm, I'm not too interested in infinite combos in this deck, but I might have to put that in the "infinite combo section". Thanks for the ideas!

March 28, 2017 7:24 p.m.

ay.lobo says... #6

Trying to add in another board wipe... And I've been stuck all day. Starstorm or Fault Line? Both start at the same CMC, INSTANT speed, and are pretty awesome all around! Cycling or added insult to injury (damage to Players/one of their planeswalkers)? Thoughts?

March 29, 2017 7:47 p.m.

Hybrow says... #7

I would play Fault Line out of those 2, I love direct player damage. Could also try Chain Reaction. Ends up working a lot like Blasphemous Act if you are in 3 or 4 player game.

March 29, 2017 9:12 p.m.

ay.lobo says... #8

Hey Hybrow. That's true. I think it could also be super deadly fun with Quest for Pure Flame. I won't mind a little damage if everyone else gets it worse.

March 30, 2017 6:31 p.m.

budlaorf says... #9

Hey, I really like this deck! Have you thought about adding in Molten Birth, Increasing Vengeance, Young Pyromancer, or Goblin Dark-Dwellers?

Molten Birth would give you a chance to keep casting it over and over.

The Goblin Dark-Dwellers could almost be another Siege-Gang Commander, that allows you to recast Krenko's Command, Dragon Fodder, Hordeling Outburst, Molten Birth along with the added bonus of letting you recast your other useful spells such as Chaos Warp, Reverberate, Fork, Reverberate, Shattering Spree, and Wheel of Fortune.

Increasing Vengeance would give you another copy effect with flashback.

April 2, 2017 2:17 p.m.

ay.lobo says... #10

Hey, budlaorf. Woah, a lot of those cards sound super familiar. Let me remember what my thoughts are for them:

Young Pyromancer is too slow. I have to cast a sorcery for him to be usable, just the same with Guttersnipe who does damage without Purphoros. I don't like him to sit and wait for me to play another card to work off his effects. You might not even get a token from him every turn.

Increasing Vengeance I took out because it only targets MY spells. Just a few hours ago, I was able to Fork a Temporal Mastery! You want to be able to target your opponents, as they have access to other spells you normally won't.

Molten Birth was in the deck temporarily, but pulled out. I wasn't able to keep it in hand, as I kept going tails. Also, for a sorcery spell, 2 creatures for 3 mana... I figured to replace it for Hordeling Outburst, 3 tokens for 3.

Goblin Dark-Dwellers could be good, but it's too similar to Increasing Vengeance. 3 or less sorcery/instant in my graveyard. I won't be able to use Fork or similar cards, because there would be nothing in the stack to copy. I just checked maybe 10 cards total it would reuse, but it's all situational.

Good thoughts, thank you for getting me to remember some good cards. :D

April 2, 2017 7:16 p.m.

Ever considered running any of the following?:

Goblin Sharpshooter / Rage Thrower / Stalking Vengeance to make opponents wiping the board hurt a little more

Hellrider to make attacking with your swarms lethal as a last resort

Also there's Empty the Warrens when you want to go for broke making your tokens and Battle Hymn to give you the mana to go the distance

Definitely a cool take on the deck!

April 6, 2017 10:50 p.m.

Hybrow says... #12

Did you see the new Insult/Injury card from Amonkhet spoilers? 2 and a Red for Sorcery - "Damage can't be prevented this turn. If a source you control would deal damage this turn, it deals double that damage instead."

And then it has a sort of useless cast from grave ability, but I think it may make find a place in my Purphoros deck.

April 7, 2017 1:40 p.m.

ay.lobo says... #13

acht_deck_manager, hey. I used to have Goblin Sharpshooter in the deck, but without a guarantee kill for him (like with Basilisk Collar) there wasn't a good point to have him out. He would just sit and look cool.


Hellrider is a cool card. But I would rather have him in a deck that attacks often to make the most of him, like a Krenko, Mob Boss attack deck, then a spawn token deck like this. I think it's mostly cause my pods tend to have a lot, a lot of boardwipes.


I did also have Empty the Warrens here in my deck at one point, but with the cost of the spell, trying to storm without going broke, is pretty tough. It's an amazing card with Grinning Ignus, that's for sure!


Lots of good cards, it's tough to think of what to switch out for possible change. Good thoughts.

April 7, 2017 10:13 p.m.

ay.lobo says... #14

Hey, Hybrow. True. I may want to test out that card when it comes out. Sounds like a game ender type deal too. The injury part is a bit weak, but I can see it useful for pinging off a cheap creature or redirecting damage to a planeswalker.

April 7, 2017 10:15 p.m.

EnividWodahs says... #15

Not using this for advice. Just saying you have a typo in the first sentence of your description.

April 8, 2017 10:31 a.m.

Nice to see another Purphoros list!

Especially someone who also remembers Snake Basket ;0)

Would like to suggest Descent of the Dragons because of how well it works with Purphoros, God of the Forge's trigger.

Mine own build might give you a few extra ideas too.

April 8, 2017 10:53 a.m.

ay.lobo says... #17

Haha! EnividWodahs, thanks. What a hell of an oversight! It's changed.

April 12, 2017 7:44 a.m.

ay.lobo says... #18

Abres_Tenelles, hey. Thanks, Snake Basket is definitely an advantage over goblin tribal Purphoros decks. It's funny you mentioned Descent of the Dragons, as I took it out probably a day before. Love the card. Amazing factor. But... Hmm, it wasn't the game ender I wanted it to be. If I had it in hand, I had to wait for a couple of tokens, and stuff tends to get blown up or die around me. Even giving my opponents a dragon was not fun, lost a few games like that. I ended up swapping it for a boardwipe, Starstorm, which not not made the deck a bit cheaper, but also gave me more of an edge to control the field a bit more. I'll have to check you deck out. Thanks!

April 12, 2017 7:50 a.m.

GuardGamer says... #19

I play a krenko deck myself and love it! Hate that Worldfire is banned haha but there are so many win cons here it's rediculous. I noticed you don't have a Voracious Dragon, which is honestly a great dragon to play in these infinite goblin decks. Burn at the Stake has saved me more than a few times late game as well. Thousand-Year Elixir is great so you aren't waiting that extra turn to use Krenko and running a Goblin King pairs well with Blood Moon

May 16, 2017 7:49 a.m.

Please login to comment





Compare to inventory
Date added 1 year
Last updated 2 days
Exclude colors WUBG
Splash colors R
Legality

This deck is Commander / EDH legal.

Cards 100
Avg. CMC 2.82
Tokens 1/1 Thopter, 1/1 Elemental, 1/1 Goblin, 3/3 Ogre, 0/1 Eldrazi Spawn, 1/1 Snake, 0/1 Kobold, */* Generic, 1/1 Eldrazi Scion, 1/1 Elemental Cat, Chandra
Folders Awesome Decks, Goblins, Tagged - EDH, EDH ideas, Welcome to Nilbog, EDH, Possibly Build, Decks to play, EDH, Commander, See all 81
Top rank #4 on 2017-03-22
Views 18659

Revision 89 (4 days ago)

+1 Descent of the Dragons side

See all