Progenitor Bant

Standard* Control G/W/U (Bant)

predian Score: 3


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For this deck I have tried using the Primespeaker bant list as a core mixed with Melissa DeToras Wolf Run Bant manabase. I think Progenitor Mimic is just such a fun and versatile card. The main win con is Progenitor Mimic on Thragtusk but you have several other options mainboard with Acidic Slime and Angel of Serenity .

I will be taking this to the coming FNM so any tips / comments would be greatly appreciated!

Also thank you in advance for any +1s!

Updates

Playing Testing — May 9, 2013

I did have trouble in the control mirror especially against Esper which I thought was a bad match up for me anyway I just didn't realise how much of a bad match up it really is. I found trying to play through counter magic was a nightmare the Esper players I went against were extremely good at preempting what I was playing and would counter my creatures over my Sphinx as they would just deck me with Nephalia Drownyard . Resolving a threat was a real issue but as Esper is such a small part of the meta around me and at most tournaments I'm not ready to commit to playing the Cavern of Souls + Gavony Township version just yet. To combat the control mirrors I have tried replacing Centaur Healer with Loxodon Smiter I feel it doesn't hurt my aggro match up too much and it helps greatly against control, letting me put on early pressure of late game draw they have to answer him as with Kessig Wolf Run he's a force to be reckoned with.

Denial048 says... #1

I feel it is pointless to be running Sacred Foundry , Steam Vents and Stomping Ground in here just so you can use Kessig Wolf Run . However, if you really want to run it that way, I would change them to the tapland versions, Clifftop Retreat , Sulfur Falls and Rootbound Crag , as well as increasing the red sources to at least 4.

It just seems that having only three lands that can produce the red for Wolf Run is too small, and there is almost no sense in running the Shocklands over the taplands when it is three out of 25, as nearly every time you draw a red source, you will have a land that will make it enter untapped.

May 8, 2013 3:34 a.m.

Denial048 says... #2

Also, you don't have many early game plays, it may be worthwhile to add a couple of Avacyn's Pilgrim or Arbor Elf to ramp you into the bigger cards quicker.

May 8, 2013 3:36 a.m.

homesuck says... #3

Farseek effectively gives him 7 red sources, I think the shocks are the way to go.

I think the deck could use some Think Twice , there isn't really any card advantage outside of sphinx. I'd probably drop the healers or move them to the side in favor of think twice or some form of card draw outside of azorius charm cycles. A mainboard Dissipate might also be really nice, especially now that cavern is seeing a bit less play.

Progenitor mimic seems like a sweet addition though, I'm playing him in my RUG Flash sideboard and he's won me every game that I've copied a thragtusk on to him.

May 8, 2013 4:08 a.m.

Denial048 says... #4

I didn't think about that, I guess that he can be safe with 3 reds as long as he uses a Farseek to get one out, which he can only do with the shocks.

I still think he could use some more ramp, even Chromatic Lantern as a 2-of, just to help get the good cards going. I also agree that more draw power could be good, even Prime Speaker Zegana , as an extra body with draw power.

May 8, 2013 4:51 a.m.

predian says... #5

Denial048 as homesuck said the red sources are shock lands so I can search them up with a Farseek but I will look into including maybe 1/2 taplands in addition but by the time I am ready to start wolf running my threats its around turn 8 so hopefully I would of drew into either a shock or Farseek by then.

On the card advantage route I am a little worried about Voice of Resurgence but I suppose I could always mainphase my Think Twice if I was to include them. I do have 3 Azorius Charm s which are often used to cycle as well. My main reasoning for using the Centaur Healer s mainboard was to try and slow the aggro plan down as unlike most Esper lists I'm not running Augur of Bolas to sit and soak up the early damage. I'll try replacing them with 3 Think Twice though and try a few test matches thanks :).

Also I don't really want to be including any mana dorks in this style of deck as I do want to be wiping the board with Supreme Verdict . The deck was based around the bant wolf run and prime speaker bant lists because of that I felt I would rather have a Progenitor Mimic than Prime Speaker Zegana as a threat as it's more of a versatile card but I can see points for both. What do you think of replacing an Angel of Serenity with a Prime Speaker Zegana ?

May 8, 2013 5:07 a.m.

Denial048 says... #6

Yeah I honestly didn't think of fetching the red sources with Farseek, so I wouldn't bother with adding in more taplands now.

Ah yes, Supreme Verdict does destroy the whole mana dork idea, so scrap that. Angel of Serenity is probably amongst your strongest cards here, especially when you use Progenitor Mimic on it, so I wouldn't remove one of those, maybe remove 1 Angel Of Serenity and see how it goes?

This still looks like a fairly solid deck as is, so don't make changes just because I suggested them!

May 8, 2013 5:16 a.m.

predian says... #7

Denial048 It's all in the name of testing! :) I try to take all the suggestions on board and try them out because you never know they might be the break through the deck could need or lead you to it.

I managed to copy Angel of Serenity with Progenitor Mimic to bring back my old mimic from the graveyard and a Thragtusk ... mimic chains are so much fun!

May 8, 2013 5:21 a.m.

Denial048 says... #8

Oh nice!

May 8, 2013 5:29 a.m.

Geekachu says... #9

Nice list! Very similar to the one I just brewed up myself. I think yours is the more stable one, and probably has a better matchup vs agro, while mine does better against midrangey decks. Check it out; maybe we can discuss the decktype a bit. :)

May 8, 2013 10:57 a.m.

predian says... #10

Geekachu I'll take a look at your list! Always good to talk to a fellow controller! :D I have switched up my Centaur Healer s for Loxodon Smiter hopefully to improve my control match ups and hopefully it wont affect my aggro match up too much, what do you think?

Also I have put a counter magic package into the deck in the form of 2 Dissipate + 1 Plasm Capture . Not overly sold on Dissipate but I don't think this deck wants Syncopate and I think 1 Plasm Capture is the right sort of number possibly going up to 2 and reducing Dissipate down to 1? Turn 5 Angel of Serenity is so much fun.

Also cheers for the +1.

May 9, 2013 5:28 a.m.

Denial048 says... #11

Nice change to Loxodon Smiter ! Yes, you lose the extra life, but instead you get a 4/4 body that cant be countered, and that anti-discard ability can be handy in some situations.

I noticed that you removed your 1-of Stomping Ground , meaning you now have six cards to get red mana, so I hope that when you use your first Farseek of a game, you get a red source out!

May 9, 2013 7:13 a.m.

predian says... #12

Denial048 Thanks and on the Stomping Ground front I'm not sure if that was a good move or not with the double green cost of Acidic Slime so I might move the mana base around again. Found that I can easily screw myself over in the late game based on the early game Farseek as I can miss the double white for Supreme Verdict , not be able to Kessig Wolf Run , miss triple white for Angel of Serenity etc

Also with the Plasm Capture now in the deck thinking about it I should probably include the Stomping Ground back into the main as that ensure I can get the double green or blue whilst also fetching a red source.

May 9, 2013 7:17 a.m.

Geekachu says... #13

I think I have decided on what I'm going to test next time I play. Check it out!

I see you moved your list away from Prime Speaker Zegana . You might want to try upping your Sphinx count to 4 in order to compensate. I think your deck will run better for it.

May 9, 2013 1:40 p.m.

Geekachu says... #14

Thought you might want to know that I got some proper testing in with my version yesterday, and I can confirm that Progenitor Mimic is an absolute beast. Autowin vs midrange decks that don't interact much. I also really liked my 4 mainboard counters, and having extras in the side was also great. Plasm Capture into a threat with counter or resto mana up was an amazing play, and happened frequently.

I was underwhelmed by Acidic Slime in the side, but I still liked my one-of Prime Speaker Zegana maindeck. Having a second one in the side was also useful.

I went 3-1 all in all, lost round one to Esper in two nailbiting games where I lost with him at 1 hp. The deck absolutly demolishes midrange decks however, along with any agro deck that doesn't have a blitz opener. And even then it's an okay matchup.

May 14, 2013 12:38 p.m.

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This deck is Standard legal.

Cards 60
Avg. CMC 3.57

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+2 Cavern of Souls main
+2 Gavony Township main
+4 Loxodon Smiter main
+1 Syncopate main
-2 Kessig Wolf Run main
-1 Steam Vents main
-1 Sacred Foundry main
-1 Stomping Ground main
-3 Centaur Healer main
-2 Acidic Slime main
+1 Temple Garden main
+1 Selesnya Charm main
+2 Sunpetal Grove main
-1 Hallowed Fountain main
-3 Loxodon Smiter maybe
-2 Cavern of Souls maybe
+1 Acidic Slime main
-1 Selesnya Charm main
+1 Sacred Foundry main
+1 Steam Vents main
+2 Kessig Wolf Run main
-2 Cavern of Souls main
-2 Gavony Township main
-1 Temple Garden main
-1 Sunpetal Grove main
+1 Hallowed Fountain main
+2 Dissipate main
-2 Selesnya Charm main
+1 Azorius Charm main
+1 Plasm Capture main
-1 Syncopate main
-1 Acidic Slime main
+2 Selesnya Charm main
+2 Acidic Slime side
-1 Detention Sphere side
-1 Rhox Faithmender side

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