[[Primer]] - Daretti - Degenerate Artifacts

Commander / EDH Guerte

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Kaladesh Update —Oct. 13, 2016

Going forth, I will be doing an update like this for each set that comes out. What does that entail exactly? The most notable will be clearing up all of the old comments so we can keep discussion in line with the current update.

This doesn't mean that the deck won't change a few cards in between sets, as that is still a possibility the more games I can get in with the deck. It's mainly just for comment clearing, and to give you insight on the specific changes that a new set brings to the deck.

So, after a long wait, without further ado, I bring to you the Kaladesh Update to Daretti!

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Tae_Grixis says... #1

How do you make upvote links in the description and stuff?

April 11, 2016 2:01 a.m.

Ender666666 says... #2

Drael - Eldritch rites, and Sangromancy...

It's a script. Don't have the exact code though atm...

April 11, 2016 3:23 a.m.

Tae_Grixis says... #3

Okay. I'd like to get it once you find it.

April 11, 2016 9:42 a.m.

Guerte says... #6

Drael: I've got the code for you. For some reason, I can't post it here. Once I figure out how to do so, I will give it to you.

April 11, 2016 11:01 a.m.

Guerte says... #7

Drael: You can also right click on the Upvote button on the sidebar and go to inspect. From there, you can copy the element and you can put that code into your deck description.

It will be an exact copy of the button on the side; if you want a customizable button like mine, still trying to figure out how to share that code.

April 11, 2016 11:07 a.m.

Cyberninja16 says... #8

Geez... and here I thought I was a Daretti player myself..but that pimpage tho...I'm not worthy! And this page out-and-out decimates mine, although my Jhoira deck page might fare better...How did you get those collapsible links to work? I had to give up on that cause it was killing me inside.

Anyways, suggestion wise, Stranglehold maybe? Honestly, this is probably the most soild non-stax Daretti I've ever seen so there's not much I could add to the conversation. I approve, obviously the community approves, and, most importantly, Temmie approves.

April 12, 2016 10:37 a.m.

SmokeyBear15 says... #9

Stranglehold is nice for the library searching prevention, which stops your opponents from getting answers to you're growing problematic board state. Ugin's Nexus works for the extra turns part (and can even be used for multiple extra turns yourself via Mirrorworks shenanigans), in addition to being an artifact.

This deck does have Wheel of Fortune and Memory Jar that could be used to interrupt tutors, but that's not quite as good as preventing searching at all. I feel that Stranglehold would be something to work in iff the meta had a lot of annoying tutoring and extra turns happening.

April 12, 2016 11:29 a.m.

Guerte says... #11

Drael:

<form action="URL Goes Here/ vote-up/?rc=True " method="link">
<input style="background-color: red;" type="submit" value="Text Goes Here"></input>
</form>

That's the code for the customizable button. Hope it helps!

Cyberninja16: Thanks! Glad you like it! For the collapsible links, it's a series of accordions and panels. I can get you a blank copy if you wish. As far as Stranglehold goes, it was in an earlier version of the deck. Around my area, not many people play extra turns, but they do search their libraries quite often, so it could find it's way back in here. Thanks!

SmokeyBear15: Unfortunately, there are no shenanigans with Mirrorworks. Yes, you can get a copy and it will get sent to the GY due to SBEs, giving you an extra turn. However, with the original Ugin's Nexus out, it will prevent you from taking it, unless you have a way to sac it. Then, you would get the two extra turns, and that's it. If you want infinite extra turns, you would need to go with Prototype Portal and a sac outlet.

April 12, 2016 1:46 p.m.

Cyberninja16 says... #12

Yeah if it's not too much trouble, I would love to learn that code. If its alot of stuff you can copy/paste it on my wall that way it won't clog up your comments.

Oh three things though:

  1. I'm sure you've thought about Extraplanar Lens + Snow-Covered Mountain what made you go for Gauntlet of Might instead?

  2. I like Squee, Goblin Nabob ,but considering we're willing to pitch a vast majority of our decks in the yard, I eventually dropped him for an extra card slot, was I not giving him enough credit? Is he really that good?

  3. Srsly tho, I'm super jelly about that pimpage. Go tuck yourself...oh wait that doesn't work anymore, damn it!

April 12, 2016 8:11 p.m.

Guerte says... #13

Cyberninja16: I'll just put it in a spoiler for you here.

  1. The loss of a land is why I don't run Extraplanar Lens. If it gets removed and I need to recur it, I lose a land each time. With Gauntlet of Might, I don't lose anything, and it also buffs the few red creatures we have.

  2. Squee, Goblin Nabob is easily one of my favorite cards in here. With him, you're essentially drawing two cards per turn, and gives you a blocker every turn if you're in a bit of a bind. He's always what I tutor for first with Imperial Recruiter.

  3. Thank you! I definitely spent a lot of time getting everything like it is. My Bazaar of Baghdad alter is almost finished so I can't wait to add that. And if I do add Stranglehold, I'll need to get that altered as well. Lol.

Primer Code Show

April 12, 2016 8:56 p.m.

SVHowdy says... #14

What are your thoughts on Mogg Infestation as an alternate wrath effect?

April 13, 2016 11:46 a.m.

Ainiv says... #15

This build does not seem to have really ways to protect your grave? I am slowly collecting the pieces for this specific deck but I feel tempted to add the old Eldrazi Titans to protect my yard. :/ Hmm...

April 13, 2016 12:31 p.m.

Guerte says... #16

SVHowdy: I don't like it. Even tho they are only 1/1s, we don't want to be giving them any creatures; we want them all gone.

Ainiv: I personally don't like the Eldrazi Titans in here. We use our graveyard as a resource so we need stuff in it; they take it and put it all back. If we get hit with graveyard hate, we can still make a comeback, it just takes a bit more.

April 13, 2016 12:51 p.m.

KillDatBUG says... #17

I get that you don't want to shuffle your graveyard, but Kozilek, Butcher of Truth is honestly too good to pass up. It's one of the few good ways of drawing multiple cards in this deck, and it seems like a fine threat on its own. Yeah, your opponents will kill it on sight, but is that really a reason to pass up on this one? Yeah, sometimes it might shuffle away your valuable grave, but is that really a compelling reason to pass up on this card?

April 13, 2016 12:55 p.m.

SmokeyBear15 says... #18

@KillDatBUG: Yes. As a fellow Daretti player, whole heartedly yes. Every deck has its weaknesses. Being able to carry on and comeback from graveyard hate is more important than trying to negate it here, at least in my opinion. And as far as I'm aware you'd have to cast him before anyone even tries to do anything to your graveyard, since you wouldn't be able to respond at instant speed to Bojuka Bog or Tormod's Crypt.

Putting all the valuable stuff in your graveyard back into your library is only slightly better than having it exiled. And Daretti with an empty graveyard is sad. I'd rather risk it rather than nuking myself that way.

April 13, 2016 1:15 p.m.

Guerte says... #19

KillDatBUG: Another problem I have with them is they are another Bribery target. Yes, I run Blightsteel and Ulamog, but I think those are more manageable.

Another thing to be concerned with is if someone somehow manages to get a hold of it and have a sac outlet, it's another way to disrupt our graveyard without us having any say in it.

April 13, 2016 1:33 p.m.

Ender666666 says... #20

SmokeyBear15: As I have discussed with Guerte, I believe one of the best ways to protect the graveyard is having Shroud or Hexproof. That's why I run Witchbane Orb in my Daretti build. Orbs of Warding could also work. Most of the commonly played pieces of graveyard hate exile "Target Player's Graveyard". Although not 100% foolproof, they make an excellent addition to my list: The Great Red Menace

April 29, 2016 12:05 a.m. Edited.

SVHowdy says... #21

What are your thoughts on Tamiyo's Journal? I've recently seen it added to other Daretti lists.

April 29, 2016 5:32 p.m.

SmokeyBear15 says... #22

Well, Guerte only has Rings of Brighthearth and Mirrorworks in his list, but Tamiyo's Journal can also work well with Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient and Strionic Resonator, all of which can be common in Daretti. Obviously, tutoring is awesome, especially when you run a lot of combo pieces or need answers. This would even let you tutor for planeswalkers, which Kuldotha Forgemaster, Imperial Recruiter, and Hoarding Dragon can't do. The journal is also reusable which is nice, but it's slow. Unless you have one of the above mentioned ways of accelerating it, that is.

Ultimately, I think that filtering and wheeling can be faster and more efficient than tutoring with clues every three turns or so. I don't see it being worked into this list, but if you can't afford Gamble or Wheel of Fortune, and prefer a combo-y Daretti, this might work for you.

April 29, 2016 6:10 p.m.

Guerte says... #23

I'm really not a fan of Tamiyo's Journal. It's not very good card draw, and it takes three turns to tutor something. I would run Ring of Three Wishes or Planar Portal over it, but even then, I don't feel like the extra tutoring is necessary in here.

By all means, if it's something you wanna try, go for it. I will not be running it in my list, even tho I did pick up a copy.

April 29, 2016 10:04 p.m.

outstare says... #24

Is there a reason that you are not running Sandstone Needle, Dwarven Ruins, Crystal Vein, and City of Traitors? Getting a Turn 2 Daretti from just your lands without any mana rocks is pretty sweet.

I feel like you could cut 2 lands for 2-CMC mana rocks instead to give you more fast openers and acceleration.

Overall our lists are very similar but mine tends to lean more on finding the combo pieces instead of having more singleton threats.

My list

May 25, 2016 11:51 a.m.

MrD says... #25

Hi there. On your Combo List, you forgot this one:

Codex Shredder + Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth + Staff of Domination - Mill every oponent!

June 8, 2016 12:41 p.m.