Pako & Haldan creatureless stax
Commander / EDH
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June 7 Announcement on Dies Triggers —June 17, 2020
So with this change, Burning Sands will now trigger when commanders die. As continuously recasting Pako can already be kinda iffy without having lost two lands beforehand, I've decided to replace the Sands with Oko. A bit sad since Sands was a kind of a signature card for the deck, but the change is for the greater good.
Coward_Token says... #2
Thanks! I "only" have 37 non-Tabernacle lands anyway so I could make room for the Gorge, although I might just add a burn spell like Comet Storm that can double as removal/a finisher.
April 27, 2020 12:48 a.m.
Since the combo runs Reiterate, you can just run any burn spell (e.g. Lightning Bolt) since you can just copy it a bunch. Means you're not just locked into using X spells as your finisher.
April 27, 2020 3:27 a.m.
Non-Linear says... #5
howdy, blue has some of the better creature stax
Reality Shift instead of the Song of the Dryads
Low level board wipes are nice, Pyrohemia is fine but dealing damage to yourself is not ideal, especially since you have no life-gain and essentially one blocker.
Cosmotronic Wave will clear the board for the good dog to attack
Too many lands, this would be fine if you had more ramp but currently you have 4 land tutors. hitting lands is no bueno for the dog, if you need the mana play more mana rocks
Last thing is more removal. There are 3 spot removal spells and they are all replacement removal, which could cause more trouble then they are all worth
May 9, 2020 7:33 p.m.
Coward_Token says... #6
Non-Linear: Thanks for the suggestions
I've seen AEther Storm but it seems kinda bad without Pithing Needle? I mean, 4 life is just 10% of someone's life in EDH.
Maybe I'm misguided but I feel that single-target removal is mostly there for permanents which will either hamper you greatly or will give its controller an insurmountable advantage, which makes me feel that permanent agnosticism (including lands like Glacial Chasm) weighs heavier than the higher CMC and the replacing: a 3/3 token won't bother Pako too much since he'll be at least a 4/4 after he attacks (and the token will likely have to deal with some kind of stax). Chaos Warp can be horrible admittingly, but the odds are much higher that it'll either put in something irrelevant or just whiff with a spell card. The added ramp from Song of the Dryads usually doesn't matter, since the highly problematic permanents I prefer pointing removal at usually come out later on (plus, it can pseudo-tuck commanders which can be very powerful). Still, Nature's Claim is obviously very good and it's always at the back of my mind. Volcanic Offering is something I've only recently acknowledged and is interesting for being able to deal with larger creatures (which the current stax doesn't hit as hard) and not being as much card disadvantage for you vis-a-vis the other opponents, so I'll keep it in mind as well.
I do have Aetherflux Reservoir & Shadowspear for lifegain (and Propaganda as a pseudo-blocker)! ...But with all the other incidental life loss in the deck, yeah, I should probably be less of a hipster and cut Pyrohemia. Don't really want Anger of the Gods due to Burning Sands but the rest other two are interesting, especially Fade Away. (I found Barrage of Boulders which seems better over the Wave here.)
Finally and arguably most importantly: You can still play fetched lands so is hitting them really that bad? For casting Pako consistently I'm following the land count formula of 31 + number of colors + CMC - 1 for the CMC 0 Mana Crypt. (It's not often I'm told I have too many lands!)
May 10, 2020 4:35 a.m.
Coward_Token says... #7
Never mind on me being clever with Barrage of Boulders, since it's not an Instant you can't cast it before Poko has attacked for the first time and boosted himself to 4/4.
May 10, 2020 5:52 a.m.
Coward_Token says... #8
JohnMichaelBushman: Just wanted to say that I got a deck of my own you can look at in case you want some card inspiration (didn't want to use your comment feeds as ad space)
May 17, 2020 4:33 a.m.
JohnMichaelBushman says... #9
Coward_Token Ooh. This decklist is interesting.
Yeah, I have been considering cutting creatures entirely so that Haldan never whiffs on my end. But stax never really gels well with me. XD
But yeah, the creatureless route is an option.
May 17, 2020 10:02 a.m.
Coward_Token says... #10
That's fair, I could see replacing stax with e.g. pillow fort and some token makers to so that you that you're not as bothered by attackers. You might want to check out Non-Linear's The Wiz and The Hound 3.1.0 as well, it only got 2 creatures in the 98 for a combo.
May 17, 2020 10:37 a.m.
thijmnesoy says... #12
damn, this is about as expensive as Haklan 'n Pako gets
enpc says... #1
If you're looking for backup (creatureless) combos, you could look at running Turnabout + Reiterate. It's not the strongest combo in the world, but it works with the predominantly land ramp package you're running. It'll take 10 mana to get started unfortunately, but once it's up and running you can make infinite mana, allowing you to recast your commanders. Addition of a Shivan Gorge would give you a win condition from it too, though I can understand not wanting to include the land. And both cards are ok (not the greatest but still do stuff) in your list.
April 26, 2020 10:26 p.m.