Mill shenanigans


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EchoSi3rra says... #1

Thanks, I'm trying to make it more of a dedicated mill deck because the faerie sub-theme isn't really working out too well. I'm planning on adding more repeatable mill like Mindcrank and Mesmeric Orb and removing some of the faeries.

Also Training Grounds does work with Oona (and Geth). Here is the relevant ruling copied straight from the gatherer:

Training Grounds can reduce the amount you pay for a creature's activated ability cost that includes X. For example, Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief has an activated ability that costs XBB. If you control Training Grounds and you activate the ability with X equal to 5, you'll have to pay only 3BB. This is true even if the ability states that X must be paid with a certain color of mana, as Crimson Hellkite's ability does.

It significantly increases the amount of cards I can mill. For example, if you have 6 lands out you can either activate Oona's ability once with x=7 or activate it 6 times with x=2 each time for a total of 12 cards instead of 7 (and as a bonus you can choose different colors for each activation which will likely get you more tokens)

June 30, 2012 8:56 p.m.

wayngchung says... #2

Why is Sol Ring in your maybe board? This card is never a maybe, it is always a yes. :p

August 30, 2012 12:32 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #3

It's only in the maybe board because I need to get more. I have 5 EDH decks but only 2 Sol Ring s.

August 30, 2012 12:49 a.m.

naynay666 says... #4

September 9, 2012 5:18 p.m.

Moo says... #5

Mind Funeral , Glimpse the Unthinkable and Sword of Body and Mind would love a spot in this deck, though not if your budget is low.

September 9, 2012 5:42 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #6

naynay666, I don't like infinite combos so I don't really want to add Bloodchief Ascension

Moolet, You're right those would be great but they're way out of my budget.

September 9, 2012 5:58 p.m.

Moo says... #7

Yeah, I can appreciate that. My only other suggestion though is maybe a Fog Bank or card:Jace's Phantasm. If you get them early, they're great blockers while you're waiting on your commander.

September 9, 2012 6:05 p.m.

Moo says... #8

+1 though, great deck :)

September 9, 2012 6:05 p.m.

Logan Pitt says... #9

you can use Training Grounds with Filigree Sages and Khalni Gem for infinite mana to use with oono, and can ya check out my deck and give it your thoughts or +1 Niv 2.0

September 9, 2012 11:29 p.m.

ZombieCat says... #10

Sands of Delirium for more mill...

November 30, 2012 4:10 a.m.

ZombieCat says... #11

Also why do you have Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in this deck?

November 30, 2012 4:13 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #12

The Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is to make all my islands and non-basic lands into swamps so that Cabal Coffers and Magus of the Coffers produce ridiculous amounts of mana. It also guarantees that Wrexial, the Risen Deep will hit someone and it functions the exact same as a basic swamp so there's really no reason not to use it.

As for the Sands of Delirium , It's a possibility but I don't think I would run it because if I have enough mana to make it worthwhile I'd rather dump it into Oona to exile the cards and get tokens.

November 30, 2012 5:26 a.m.

ZombieCat says... #13

The Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth with Magus of the Coffers is an amazing combo I never considered for a multi coloured deck. Nice find.

November 30, 2012 12:01 p.m.

MartialArt says... #14

If you use Mindcrank why not use Bloodchief Ascension too? They both are a good combo together and the ascension can be a second win con in this deck itself.

December 14, 2012 4:49 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #15

Because Bloodchief Ascension doesn't mill and I don't want to run any infinite combos.

December 14, 2012 5:03 a.m.

MartialArt says... #16

Ok. Good point. Would have been an alternate win con. Even without Mindcrank . I don't like infinite combos either but wanted to suggest it since it is really good.

Like it: +1

December 14, 2012 5:10 a.m.

itheoryz says... #17

Especially with Dreamborn Muse a boss card would be Psychic Spiral turn that self mill into actually mill. Plus your likely to fill your graveyard anyways with all the instants and sorceries you have.

Check out my new edh deck in the making deck:sedris-the-bossman

December 14, 2012 5:13 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #18

MartialArt, I see your point though, with a charged up Bloodchief Ascension any mill will do a ton of damage and gain you a ton of life. The problem is that I want this deck to win by mill and I don't think it really fits the theme of this deck.

thetheoryz, Psychic Spiral is a great suggestion, It's going in the maybeboard until I can pick up a copy but when I do it will likely go in.

December 14, 2012 5:27 a.m.

MartialArt says... #19

You could think about card:Feldon's Cane. It shuffles you back everything you used this far for further use in the game with tutors or simply by drawing it again.

And it only costs 1 mana and no further activation cost then tapping it.

December 14, 2012 5:33 a.m.

Entenei says... #20

Whispering Madness is great exp if you keep hitting, and using up your cards in hand. Also helps to mill + disrupts others plans by chaining their cards. Also helps mill everyone in the game.
Paranoid Delusions the none rare version also good for Spam milling 3 cards.
Don't know if these are worth it for you but still :)

March 13, 2013 8:25 a.m.

CapnBMo says... #21

I really like your deck, I had a similar idea with Let's All Mill. I was surprised with how well it can perform. Dimir in Gatecrash brought in some pretty powerful creatures for milling, and I would consider Lord of the Void , Undercity Informer (good with Undead Alchemist and Oona's faeries) and Consuming Aberration .

March 26, 2013 12:10 p.m.

Onimushu says... #22

I hate to say it, but you can't play Crypt Ghast in a non-White & Black commander deck. The Extort reminder text has a white mana symbol, making it's color identity Black and White. Other then that, and the exception of no infinite combos, it looks pretty good. : )

May 12, 2013 2:45 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #23

Actually you can, on the official rules website it says "Reminder text is not included in the colour identity of a card." I appreciate the concern though.

Also in response to CapnBMo: Consuming Aberration is now in and I'll add Lord of the Void as soon as I can trade for one.

May 12, 2013 3:09 p.m.

Tunnel Vision

May 21, 2013 6:16 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #25

Originally had it in there, won with it the first game I played, was no fun, took it out.

May 21, 2013 6:52 p.m.

If someone plays Descendants Path, its amazing, i got milled for 89 with it

May 21, 2013 6:58 p.m.

I_TappedWrong says... #27

I think you would be better off with lazav as your general works so much better than oona. Oona is just a Combo piece not a general. Other than that I do like how you are using a general no one really does.

June 19, 2013 3:22 p.m.

I_TappedWrong says... #28

I have a lazav edh ill post it later today.

June 19, 2013 3:23 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #29

What's wrong with Oona? Sure, the most brutally effective way to use her is with infinite mana combos, but she's still fun without it. Lazav just seems like a completely different deck.

June 19, 2013 5:49 p.m.

I_TappedWrong says... #30

Not so much, with lazav you just don't want to exile cards and discarding people really helps you get good creatures too. Think about it, what if you milled a Avacyn, Angel of Hope now you have a hexproof, indistructable that now with the new clone rule is even harder to get rid of. I was just throwing it out there it's your deck I'm not telling you change it. I was just informing you .

June 19, 2013 5:59 p.m.

Lloyd156_BLUE says... #31

Have you thought using Jace's Erasure + Consecrated Sphinx + Forced Fruition

If you could search for a Arcanis the Omnipotent aswel, you have a pretty good self mill that also mills opponent

Throw a Venser's Journal into the mix!

August 7, 2014 4:50 a.m.

korg33 says... #32

Nice deck, though I see very few milling creatures.

Could people also take a look at this deck? Its also an Oona, Queen of the Fae deck with a Faerie Sub-theme. (Which I thought could work quite well, as long u only put in faeries that actually do something usefull)

June 10, 2015 1:15 p.m.

MasterMan123 says... #33

EchoSi3rra how would this deck play against many aggressive decks? All my friends are playing Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and shenanigans.

December 1, 2015 9:04 p.m.

Camel-Senpai says... #34

Crypt Ghast actually isn't legal in your deck because of the Extort mechanic being in Orzhov colors.

December 24, 2015 2:15 p.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #35

Camel-Senpai: False, reminder text doesn't count towards color identity.

December 24, 2015 11:59 p.m.

Camel-Senpai says... #36

December 25, 2015 1:13 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #37

I don't know how a random rules question thread is supposed to help, but the very first response is correct and exactly what I just said. "1. Yes. Color identity takes into account any mana symbol on the card (not in reminder text!)"

December 26, 2015 3:42 p.m.

Warhadow says... #38

Any thoughts on Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger?

December 30, 2015 2:28 a.m.

korg33 says... #39

Warhadow Great card!!!! One of my stronger in cons in my own Oona Queen of Fae deck. Ulamog together with oona can exile an opponents library in just 2-3 turns, while maintaining a strong board state.

December 30, 2015 11:44 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #40

Warhadow Yep, it's going in as soon as I get my hands on one.

December 30, 2015 9:12 p.m.

korg33 says... #41



Also check out my Dimir Oona deck:

Don't want to brag, but I feel that this is among the better, more competitive Oona, queen of fae decks out there. Took a lot of time and thought to create.

Your thoughts are welcome.

January 2, 2016 8:16 a.m.

Aspenglade says... #42

As for Crypt Ghast, here is the ruling specifically on color identity with reminder text (

January 18, 2016 2:10 p.m.

korg33 says... #43

AKA: Crypt Ghast is allowed in a non-shite deck, due to the fact the mana symbol is in between brackets =)

January 18, 2016 5:20 p.m.

ViroseVizard says... #44

Probably a card you might not have thought about is Ashnod's Altar. It's a sac outlet for those 1/1 flyers you don't need anymore as well as a mana producer. It's also very cheap.

January 23, 2016 1:44 p.m.

sewellenator says... #45

Is Necropotence too black for this deck? I use it in my Oona edh

March 23, 2016 1:22 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #46

Necropotence is just the right amount of black, but I don't think I have enough lifegain in this deck to use it to it's full potential.

March 23, 2016 2:10 a.m.

Jinta87 says... #47

I'm disappointed that Helm of Obedience is missing.

June 1, 2016 12:57 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #48

Helm is underwhelming without comboing with Leyline and I don't intend to put any 2 card instant win combos in the deck.

June 30, 2016 3:03 p.m.

Kiyomeii says... #49


September 12, 2016 5:08 a.m.

scheerlc8520 says... #50

Hey I use the same commander in my deck. Mine is less focused on milling the opponents. But I have nice combo in there which I think belongs in any blue deck. Omniscience and Enter the Infinite make a devastating combo. Plus if you add in a Platinum Angel you can't lose. Also if you need infinite mana of any color Composite Golem and Nim Deathmantle is the best combo for that.


Commander / EDH* scheerlc8520


January 4, 2017 11:05 a.m.

scheerlc8520 says... #51

In my previous comment I mentioned the infinite mana but forgot to say why. With infinite mana you can use Oona's ability and just exile every opponents deck as soon as you play the Composite Golem and the Nim Deathmantle

January 4, 2017 11:29 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #52

You can't run Composite Golem in a U/B deck because it has a color identity of 5 color.

January 4, 2017 11:47 a.m.

codesantos says... #53

Training Grounds does work with Oona, Queen of the Fae

When you activate her ability, you choose x to be 2. Essentially, for every U or B you tap, you will exile 2 cards. You can repeat that for as long as you have U or B available.

February 1, 2017 10:01 p.m.

codesantos says... #54

Training Grounds does work with Oona, Queen of the Fae

When you activate her ability, you choose x to be 2. Essentially, for every U or B you tap, you will exile 2 cards. You can repeat that for as long as you have U or B available.

February 1, 2017 10:01 p.m.

dbpunk says... #55

What about Ashnod's Altar and Phyrexian Altar? Technically, under good conditions, you can pay blue/black, sac all the faeries you got with Oona before, and then create a bunch more faeries. Then repeat the process over and over, as long as you can keep making faeries.

August 6, 2017 7:28 a.m.

MartialArt says... #56

What about infinite mana combos? They seem to be a good win con with Oona.

Sth. like Grim Monolith or Basalt Monolith combined with Power Artifact, or Palinchron with Deadeye Navigator or High Tide.

Your Rings of Brighthearth would make a decent combo with Grim Monolith or Basalt Monolith too.

Since you have black you can have enough tutors to make this work.

And why no Helm of Obedience if you run the Leyline? Without combo kills mill decks have a hard time in Commander because of those self reshuffling cards like Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre.

I would personally suggest to add more counters if you want to run mill since people will hate you and try to get rid of your mill engines and your commander and you don't want your commander to get even more expensive in mana since her costs are already high.

I hope this helped. Greets MA.

August 6, 2017 9:12 a.m.

Wiggyman says... #57

I feel like a bit more graveyard hate would be good, just because things like Varolz, the Scar-Striped.

October 23, 2017 1:27 a.m.

EchoSi3rra says... #58

Meh, I haven't run into any issues with lack of grave hate. Sure I only have 3 pieces but I've got many ways to tutor them up.

October 23, 2017 2:29 a.m.

delusiions says... #59

nice deck, oona is certainly fun! i went a different rout than you but your deck seems fun too! there are so many good fairy cards out there that you should consider though in my opinion! My deck:


Commander / EDH delusiions


this is my oona take you should check it out and leave any comments to help make it more fun! one thing i would say though is to look at my land base for some good "one of" lands!

November 15, 2017 3:48 p.m.

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