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Commander / EDH K4m4r0

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New Cards —July 23, 2018

I changed a few cards.

Seaside Citadel -> Prairie Stream

Angelic Wall -> Orator of Ojutai

Woolly Razorback -> Fog Bank

Rewind -> Muddle the Mixture

Thank you all for your suggestions, we all together made this list so great! Also, thank you all for your upvotes, comments and shares!

K4m4r0 says... #1

HobbyGamer007 Thank you for your time and effort, i'll go through every card now.

  • Woolly Razorback: I know, I usually had it in here as another Plan B if Arcades gets too much hate but it's proven itself worthless and it will be exchanged.
  • Counter: I know they are not the best and I'll replace them with some of you suggestions maybe, also probably Cyclonic Rift and Stifle
  • Cultivate will be replaced with Farseek and i can't part with my japanese Skyshroud Claim i pulled in a Battlebond booster while I was in Tokyo. I know it's not the fastest but I also like Lands more than mana dorks because creatures die a lot faster in ouf group.
  • Nature's Claim is a great card and it will replace Disenchant
  • Don't underestimate Shield Wall and Steadfastness (the other mentioned cards are way worse). Normally I have 5-6 defender on the battlefield with an avg. toughness of 5, that's 25/30 strenght + one of the instants its 35-45 strenght which is normally enough to kill an opponent. Those cards often gave me the 1-2 extra damage I needed to kill.
  • Disallow I like it because it gives versatility, but could be replaced with Stifle
  • Dispel is very narrow and wasn't very usefull, could also be replaced
  • Reality Shift is nice, probably switch Pongify for it
  • Dorks: as I said, I don't really like dorks, maybe Noble Hierarch and/or Birds of Paradise will find a slot some day
  • Signets are great to get the commander faster, depending on where I want to go with it
  • Muddle the Mixture I don't really have any crucial 3 cmc cards in the deck yet
  • Mystical Tutor great and could search Tower Defense for example but I don't think it is mach needed yet
  • Sylvan Library and Mirri's Guile are very nice I look if I can get my hands one one, but without lifegain I prefer Mirri's Guile

For the lands, they are very good and I mentioned a lot of them under the "Fast Mana Base" tab. But I initially tried to keep the deck on a budget also because I think a lot of people following the deck will do. Nonetheless I increasingly wish for cards like Strip Mine in my deck. So I'll probably add one or two in the future. Also I'd probably add Adarkar Wastes and Brushland.

Thank you again for your suggestions and I'm happy that you took the time to comment on my deck to show me good improvements for my existing cards!

July 19, 2018 noon

Vlasiax says... #2

Actually if you want more land ramp then I'd suggest Nature's Lore and Rampant Growth also Muddle the Mixture transmute costs 3 but it searches 2 CMC cards, just to clarify :)

July 19, 2018 12:33 p.m.

HobbyGamer007 says... #3

Oh yeah it was close to midnight here as well. Make that -1 Island, -1 Forest and -1 Plains from my list for

Breeding Pool, Hallowed Fountain and Temple Garden obviously

July 19, 2018 2:04 p.m.

HobbyGamer007 says... #4

@Vlasiax oh yeah that is just a typo. Muddle finds stuff like Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive, Heroic Intervention and more. Really worth it here. Yeah if even more ramp is needed there's still Avacyn's Pilgrim, Boreal Druid, Nature's Lore and Three Visits.

July 19, 2018 4:19 p.m.

HobbyGamer007 says... #5

@K4m4r0: Awesome that I could help. While I can agree with most of your points I'd strongly advise against running Stifle over either Disallow or Trickbind. The reason why I like Trickbind so much is that most of the games won in my playgroup are won by some kind of triggered or activated ability, be it Strionic Resonator or Isochron Scepter or Paradox Engine or Walking Ballista. The list there is endless. And Trickbind stops them, is basically uncounterable(since noone runs that morph mage) and you can't just stack additional triggers on top of it. It just gets the job done.

As said already, typo, Muddle searches for cmc=2. Slot it in :)

Other than that I'd be thrilled to hear how the updated deck performs :)

July 19, 2018 4:27 p.m.

HobbyGamer007 says... #6

Sorry for the many comments, I can't seem to focus today xD

If you are worried for Arcedes drawing too much hate, there is Command Beacon that can help. One of the strongest protectors out there is Sylvan Safekeeper. Sure sacrificing a land sucks, but if your opponents see that their removal will be for naught, they will use it on something else. Assault Formation works and can be tutored by Muddle the Mixture. Other than that there's still Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots and if you wanna be really aggressive about it and your playgroup is slow enough Asceticism

July 19, 2018 4:33 p.m.

Vlasiax says... #7

How about Beastmaster Ascension as a support card? When it activates then Arcades can be blown out and deck still functions on about the same level but with way bigger butts to block :)

July 21, 2018 1:54 a.m.

Mitrian says... #8

I’ve been playing a similar list to this and it’s been much better than I expected. Arcades does draw a ton of hate, and as a result I’ve tweaked it to include Swiftfoot Boots and Lightning Greaves along with Enlightened Tutor.

Another couple additions I made were Angelic Chorus and Trostani, Selesnya's Voice. Both of those have done some amazing work. And then, due to their success, I also added Feed the Pack and Phyrexian Processor. Those last two may not stay, but I’m testing them now. I have once gotten the Feed the Pack and Tree of Redemption combo with Angelic Chorus on the battlefield, effectively doubling my life total and creating a ton of wolves. They were board wiped but the lifegain remained and I ended up winning largely because of it. I am also considering Aetherflux Reservoir as an alternate wincon simply because those two life gainers above synergize so well with all the cheap defenders. This does start to take the deck in another direction, but it works really well for only an investment of a couple cards.

I second the recommendation for Muddle the Mixture and would also recommend Enlightened Tutor, Mystical Tutor, and Worldly Tutor.

What to take out for all these? Always the hard part, right? It’s hard to say because everyone has different preferences, but I’m not a fan of the cards that pump defense, especially at sorcery speed. So that’s a couple of spots to start. There’s also a couple defenders in your list that I think are just a bit too weak or too much mana for their body. I think Hobby mentioned a couple of those...

I’ll try to get my full list posted here soon for more ideas if you’re interested.

July 21, 2018 2:55 a.m.

K4m4r0 says... #9

You are all right with 2 cmc I was somehow focused on Drift of Phantasms, I need to reconsider all tutors you mentioned.

Vlasiax Thank you but I think I'm good for now with ramp. But I'll keep them in mind! Beastmaster Ascension is also a good suggestion, but I think it won't survive long enough since our playgrup is very anti-enchantment, that's the reason I dont run much and it would have to survive 2-3 turns on average to give a bonus.

HobbyGamer007Absolutely no problems, comments with good suggestions are always welcome! You are more than right with Trickbind. I overlooked it's benefits over Stifle and I'd probably include it in a future update, but I don't know if I part from Disallow. Until now Arcades didn't draw as much hate as other commanders but the threat is growing. Command Beacon spiked like crazy and I just don't want to buy it for this reason. I hope for a reprint in upcoming Commander 2018. The other suggestions are not bad either but I may go with Yavimaya Hollow since land destruction is not a big deal in our playgroup, yet.

Mitrian Thank you for your suggestions. Just about two days ago I've seen a lifegain Arcades on here and I suggested him to use Trostani, Selesnya's Voice since I run her as a commander. Nonetheless I think she could be extremely hard to cast in a 3 color deck for . Also It would draw my deck in another direction and I already have a lifegain deck. As I said earlier, don't underestimate the cards which pump toughness, they win games and since it's a beatdown deck it's not important if the are at sorcery speed (besides only Steadfastness is a sorcery). But your deck sounds very fun to play and you have a lot of good synergies. I'd be more than interested to see your full decklist! Also I'm interested if you have had any issues in casting Trostani and how the overall performance of the deck is and.

July 21, 2018 7:12 a.m.