Taking this beast on tour! My average is a win by turn 7. If I don't get flooded that is :P
Wait till the other player has a large creature out. Then...
I don't expect to get my Slumbering Dragon to get high enough to attack or block. He's really just there to freak out high aggro decks... So...
And of course Vexing Devil for an early WTF?!
Any suggestions for sideboard? Or any other ideas?
So I just took out the cards from the Mirrodin block and have only included some suggestions that others have made that I have felt worked while I was play testing.
Can't wait to see what Return to Ravnica has to offer us! This deck is still a LONG way off from being complete!
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions so far! Looking forward to hearing other ideas and strategies in the future!
I was thinking more burn but I didn't want to get stuck with no creatures on the field leaving me wide open. Wall of Fire was just added to help against bigger creatures. Plus no one I play against remembers I can pump him up :D
Any other cards you could think of to take it's place?
Chandra's phoenix is a great one to add and have 4 of them they cost the same as your wall of fire and they're a 2/2 with haste so your swinging in with them and they reoccur themselves with your burn. A side not, why not volt charge instead of brimestone volley, it would let you proliferate your dragon so you can up the counters on him. My suggestions would be.
-2 wall of fire, -1 Firewing Phoenix, - 2 Hound of Griselbrand, +4 chandra's phoenix which leaves you a space open for +1 chandra's Chandra, the Firebrand. -4 red sun's zenith, +4 shrine of burning rage, - 2 goblin arsonist, -3 furnace scamp ( i know this may seem like a lot of changes and it is, but im giving you the best advice i can offer. Also furnace scamp is fun but you have better one drops i.e. vex devil and others but here this out.) +2 stromkirk noble ( there are so many humans out right now, he's just to awesome not to have four of him.) +2 Slumbering Dragon/-4 Slumbering Dragon and +4 hellrider ( which is amazing, he has haste and when you swing with him for every attacking creature as well does 1 point of damage to target player, which could be redirected to planes walkers.) either way you have an extra slot if my math is right lol. -3 increasing vengeance (its cute but if you really wanted to go this route i would with reverberate, it allows you to copy your opponents spells as well.) +1 searing blaze, +3 volt charge and the last thing -1 brimstone volley for a +1 devils play. -8 mountains, +4 copperline gorges and +4 rootbound crags (for sideboard options). Another side note lol. If you play act of aggression instead of traitorous blood because it's an instant. This would be an awesome RDW...hope you like my ideas and remember you dont have to do any of this.
Side board3 Ancient Grudge stupid2 shock2 pillar of flames4 Thunderous Wrath stupid flyers2 naturalize2 dismembers because of things that have 4 or greater toughness
well there is a side board of you like it lol let me know how you like this stuff as well
Side board 3 Ancient Grudge,2 shock, 2 pillar of flames, 4 Thunderous Wrath stupid flyers, 2 naturalize, 2 dismembers because of things that have 4 or greater toughness
I dont know what happened up top but i wanted to fix it for you.
Holy crap! You have given me LOTS to think about! I totally forgot about Hellrider and card:Chandra's Phoenix and I didn't even know about Act of Aggression ! I Love the suggestions you have given me! I will begin reworking this a bit!
Although arc trail is a sorcery it is really useful i would recomend adding it as well as incinerate which is better than searing spear because it makes the creatures not regenerate.
um what he said! Really though really good ideas by that guy
i have a goblin burn deck so i know through trial and error :)
I keep forgetting that M12 and the Mirrodin block are still Standard format until October :P
Made some changes with cards that I currently have on hand. Waiting for some trades to go through and I should be set for some other tasty cards!
I see you have Hellrider in your maybe board. Have you tested him out yet?
I haven't really had a chance to use him. I feel that Hellrider does and doesn't work for this deck. Sure every time I attack it does 1 damage for each attacking creature. My deck isn't real creature oriented tho. If I use him it'll probably be to swap out with Hound of Griselbrand . That way I won't have too many 4 drops.
HA! That's true! I just have to get past his +1... That really screwed my friend over in a sealed draft. :P
I know! His first ability is hit or miss. Try using it after casting what you want to cast that turn,that way it's less of a burden. I'm experimenting with him in my deck One more red nightmare. I think he's really good with unearth and flashback cards.
I will have to give him a try to see how it all goes! For all I know I just may like it! :D
Have you thought about Zealous Conscripts ? It's pretty much my favorite red creature in standard right now
I know of Zealous Conscripts ! I just haven't thought about it here tho... hmmmm... It is a interesting idea and I think it would flow really well here. My only concern is it's cost. My biggest drops are 4 and I don't have too many of them... I think I could give it a try and see what happens! Thanks :D
Awesome! Another person who thought of Mono Red burn for standard! You can find mine here: Mono Red Burn. Anyways, love the idea of Fling + Traitorous Blood ! More stuff that works with fling are Immolating Souleater and Moltensteel Dragon . Awesome deck! +1
Reverberate allows you to copy their spells as well as your own, thats why in my opinion it can be better than Increasing Vengeance , also +1 just for the name alone, and it makes me sad that RDW is rotating -.-
I recommend -2 Shock +2 Pillar of Flame , because nothing is better than exiling their card:Geralf's Messenger or their Gravecrawler . I do realize that Shock is instant speed, making it better in some situations, but I think you would rather have Pillar of Flame in most situations. Also, take Thunderbolt out of your maybe board. It's nowhere nearly as good as Incinerate in your main-deck. I run some in my side board so I can kill their Restoration Angel . Again, the idea of this deck is cool, and it's nice to see it not splashing black for Bloodthrone Vampire .
When I first made this deck I was running Increasing Vengeance over Reverberate but have since switched and have been crazy happy about! :D If I get a Bonfire of the Damned tossed at me I will just toss it right back >:D
You may have said it earlier, but why no Bonfire of the Damned ?
Funny, you are actually the first person to ask about Bonfire of the Damned ! :D
Don't get me wrong! I would love to have that card! Miracle cost is amazing! However in the box plus of Avacyn Restored I purchased I pull ZERO! D': Only one of my friends pulled it... and he pulled 2 of them, and is currently using them both.
I am just TOO CHEAP to buy this card single. I am waiting to find someone that isn't using them that are looking to trade. Yet it seems like a losing battle :P
This is the most legitimate reason to not have it in and I don't blame you at all.
I was going to say, if you were willing to spend some money, while not as much as bonfire, Thundermaw Hellkite is an awesome addition to any red deck. It might not be the most expensive card in your eyes, but I'm like 13, so deck-building with even slightly expensive cards is hard for me. On a side note, this deck is awesome. Period.
Thanks for the praise! Thundermaw Hellkite would be a sick addition to this deck! But alas money does make the world go round :'( I am just hoping to pull one of him tomorrow! I've been pretty lucky as of late :D
Heading for FNM TONIGHT! Probably going to get stomped. But I shall draw my best! Any last minute main or side board suggestions before I go tonight? Any and all ideas are welcome!
Also, let me know how this deck does! I'm very interested in knowing.
Will do! I am making the finally touches on it meow! I think I'll do alright right as long as I don't get a crappy opening hand :D
If you're going to steal creatures to "fling" them, why not use Mark of Mutiny instead? It has the same CMC as Traitorous Blood but adds a +1/+1 counter. That one damage could make a big difference. My friend runs a similar deck, except he Fling s his own creatures. Fling ing Malignus with a Curse of Bloodletting on the field is his win-con. Maybe the Curse could help as well?
Curse of Bloodletting might help! That's not a bad idea at all! Mark of Mutiny might be a good addition however Traitorous Blood has trample... which helps deal damage even if they have a chump blocker. Idk... Tough choices.
That is funny stuff! I was expecting it to happen... then I would just use Reverberate and send it back! But of course each time it happened I didn't have it in my hand... or untapped mana :P
Oh well better luck next time I guess!
Everyone uses the card because it's an extremely good card. It can honestly change the whole game if played or especially if cast for miracle. It's not a bandwagon thing, it's just reeeeally good. And broken, don't forget broken.
Don't get me wrong... I am not saying that it's a bandwagon thing, sorry if I came off like that.
Bonfire of the Damned is one amazing card! ...and yes EXTREMELY broken. haha
How often do you get to use Reverberate ? I play tested your deck against a few of mine and most times it seemed like a dead card to me. Don't get me wrong it is nice to be able to copy a spell of yours for double the fun, or "an eye for an eye" so to speak in the case of an opponents spell, but I felt it was more of a sideboard card.
On the contrary though I can't think of much to really replace it with, but if you ever found another card that you wanted Reverberate would be one of the first cards I would consider swapping out
Really cool deck, however, it looks like a lot of your pieces are going to rotate out real soon. Have you found decent replacement for them yet or are you dropping this deck when SOM rotates out of standard?
You are spot on! Reverberate was put in here as a "eye for an eye" card really. When I ran this last week at FNM I found that I ended up siding it out for Thunderous Wrath which helped out a lot more it seemed. I am probably going to be swapping it to the sideboard, especially since Chandra, the Firebrand 's -2 is Reverberate all on its own :D
I know some of my funniest cards are rotating out :'( I haven't found too many cards to swap them with yet. I am going to wait for Return to Ravnica to drop a full list and go from there.
I like what you swapped it out for! 5 damage and if you're lucky for 1 mana! Haha over powered much? Lol
I saw earlier you were considering Whipflare and Slagstorm , but a Volcanic Fallout does both of Slagstorm 's abilities at the same time! The only down side is that you don't get to choose they just happen. :/
Please come and see my deck Mono Red Deck Burn : Ouch! It burns!
Need some pro suggestions for make a competitive deck
Yes I am considering Whipflare and Slagstorm but since they are going out of standard soon I am not use them :'( Volcanic Fallout is pretty sweet! but again I am looking to keep this deck as standard as possible. When Return to Ravnica drops in October I will find out if this deck will transition over to standard format easy... If not then I guess this one will go modern! :D
Thanks for all the suggestions!
Haha good catch! I forgot to check if it was standard or not! XD. If you do stray away from standard when some of your cards rotate out :'( I would at least side board it if it doesn't have a place yet!
I love RDWs, and I have always been a fan of the Act of Agression/Fling idea.
My suggestions (if you have access money/access):
Sideboard;Change out all+3xcard:Red Sun's Zenith +2xReverberate +2xAncient Grudge (put Rootbound Crag s in Mainboard so you can use Ancient Grudge 's flashback) +2x Zealous Conscripts +2xShrine of Burning Rage +3x Combust +1xBonfire of the Damned
Stromkirk Noble s are possibly the best One Drop for right right now. Slumbering Dragon slows aggro that doesn't have an answer for it, if they are swinging through like mad, letting the dragon get bigger, you better count on them having a vapor snag/kill spell in hand, and that's when you hold on to your fling, and fling the beefy dragon in response to them removing it.Bonfire of the Damned ... besides being the single most broken card in the format... no that's about it... most broken card, run it, run it hard! So much aggro out there, you are going to want to see it most of the time... when you don't, Faithless looting.Faithless Looting is better than Wild Guess imo. The flashback gives you so much better card draw, if you are running two, you should see at least one per set of three matches. Meaning, you get to use it twice. Guess that one is more preferenceShrine of Burning Rage ... I would personally run it as a 4x, but you didn't main board it, so I imagine it's not your favorite. This card will win you so many games, board stalls, you win, you play lots of spells, you win. Get this bad boy out there turn two... it will be hard for you to lose. Just play around the three mana you need to activate it incase they target it to destroy it.
Sideboardcard:Red Sun's Zenith Vs. Zombie/Reanimator/UndyingAncient Grudge Vs. Artifacts... better than Torch Fiend cause you get flashbackBonfire of the Damned Vs. Any aggro asside from Zombie... no, even zombie.Shrine of Burning Rage Vs. ControlZealous Conscripts Vs. Wolfrun, or anything that uses big creatures + more Fling Combust Vs. White or Blue creatures.... Delver.Reverberate Vs Control, or decks that run Bonfire of the Damned
That's all great ideas! I can get my hands on everything minus the Bonfire of the Damned (of course) easy! Haha
Lots to think about! Thanks for the suggestions! I will be reworking this beast the next few weeks to see what I can come up with!
Remove your wild guess's add bonfires, Remove your red sun's cause you have pillar of flame and add 1 more stromkirk 1 more incinerate and 1 more reverberate. Also why no shrine of burning rage?
Zealous Conscripts has been in my mind! I am pretty sure that is getting tossed in here soon! Thanks!
I have Shrine of Burning Rage side boarded... I didn't want to rely heavily on it since it will be cycling soon :'(
Alas the only thing standing in the way of Bonfire of the Damned is money... I am on the look out for better deals and I am still trying my luck out with packs every once and awhile.
This beast is changing! Thanks for the suggestions :D
with the 5 mana cost creatures, you should be running at minimum 22 lands. It seems to run consistantly that way, or at least for me.
Thanks for your input!
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