- 1x Abyssal Specter
- 1x Bloodgift Demon
- 1x Myr Battlesphere
- 1x Phylactery Lich
- 2x Shimian Specter
- 4x Vampire Nighthawk
I would appreciate all advice but please keep in mind that the deck is supposed to use only what I have availiable.
Basic stategy resolves around keeping the battlefield clean (through discards or creature destruction) until I can summon the large creatures this deck has.
Any suggestion on making it a better deck?
Update:Pestilence Demon -> Bloodgift Demon
Bonehoard x2 -> Dark Ritual x2
Don't really use Bonehoard much and when I use it it sometimes isn't very useful so I am changing it to Dark Ritual. If you have any other suggestions please tell me
awesome deck dude. i'm' thinking this deck needs some cheaper creatures, that way you don't get swarmed in the beginning. something like Ravenous Rats maybe? There's gotta be some creatures that power up or something when a player discards a card. Venser's journal? I'd switch that out for a 4th nighthawk, still gives life gain with the chance of killing creatures or doing player damage. its difficult to make a good discard deck, especially with all the possibilities. There's definately gotta be something better than Skinrender as a 4 drop. I'd think about Geralf's Messengers instead, or if you can afford it, Phyrexian Obliterator. that card alone wins games all day long. +1
August 13, 2012 3:27 p.m.
Hi and thanks for the comment
Well I put Venser's Journal to combo with Sign in Blood and Griselbrand. For the same reason I changed the Pestilence Demon to Bloodgift Demon.
Geralf's Messenger is good, I haven't thought of that, although I only have one of them. Unfortunately I have no Obliterators.
I mainly put the Skinrenders as a removal card. The point of the deck is to keep the battlefield clean until I have my heavy-hitters down, that is why I avoid small creatures. I was thinking though to maybe remove the skinrenders and put some Bloodghasts to act as a buffer.
Thanks for the suggestions again!
August 13, 2012 3:49 p.m.
In my opinion, this deck has quite some random amounts per card, and there's also some very important cards in discard that misses. Especially Quest for the Nihil Stone , card:Liliana's Caress and maybe Bloodchief Ascension (overkill) is needed to even win with discards alone.
As for creatures, I suggest you rather use either Specters or nifty blockers to keep critters back. I'd also reccomend using Dash Hopes to even dish away creatures before they enters (if your opponent have any creatures left on hand tho)
If you start a bit from the cards mentioned as well as creatures, you should take a look at this URL to adjust amounts:
I'm not saying this deck is bad, but it's just not complete discard! :)
August 19, 2012 8:28 a.m.
Well what you say is true unfortunately. I am well aware of the cards you mentioned but I don't have them. I am building this with whatever I have availiable. As for the random number of cards I am afraid I will again have to blame the small size of my collection.
I do have a full playset of Dash Hopes but I am not sure what I should remove to make space. Any suggestions?
And thanks for the link! I will look into it.
August 19, 2012 9:31 a.m.
Ah, if these cards are from your collection alone the deck is more understandable! :3 Most people tend to create decks they plan to complete to know what to fetch later on.
As for Dash Hopes , I'd suggest you swap it with 2x Diabolic Tutor (is not really needed, no combos to fetch cards for), 1x Myr Battlesphere and card:Geralf's Messenger. I see your combo with Mimic Vat and Myr Battlesphere , but it's simply too slow, and not very effective as you don't have any beneficial sacrifice cards. As for card:Geralf's Messenger, it's a very good offencive and irritating card, but you'd rather want a blocker (he enters tapped..), or even better: counterspells to prevent opposing creatures from entering :)
I don't know your collection, but if you have any black creatures with trample which is a bit cheaper with mana, it could be temporarily good with Lashwrithe . However, I strongly recommend to fetch some of the pre-mentioned cards as well to complete this deck, some of them are not expensive at all.
August 19, 2012 2:32 p.m.
Thanks for the suggestions. Changed a bit.
Got rid of some of the card you suggested as well as some cards that didn't often see play (or weren't very helpful when they did). Added Dash Hopes , one more Shimian Specter , one more Lashwrithe and Painful Quandary .
I kept the Myr Battlesphere . I am quite attached to it, won me several games :). You are right that it is too slow but everyone in my group plays with relatively slow decks.
I realy liked Griselbrand and card:Venser's Journal but in 20 games they only came in once or twice (and the games had already been decided by then).
Tell me what you think.
August 20, 2012 3:43 a.m.
Don't remove Dark Ritual s as they fit nice for every mono-black deck. You should put them back, replace with Phylactery Lich , way to few artifacts, and if you have more specters include them as well.
Vampire Nighthawk is fairly odd in this deck, but I guess it fits nice as a killer-blocker that gains you 2 life. It's possibble to get one out at turn 1 with Dark Ritual as well. If Myr Battlesphere really wins you that many games, then there's something wrong. You only got 1, and the creature is easy to stop with this few myrs :P Discard decks aren't supposed to win with end-game artifact beasts, but with enchantments or discard-fed specters. But I guess it can't be helped since you want to use this limited selection ..
August 20, 2012 11:58 a.m.
Well what is wrong is that I am playing with a pretty specific group of people and all of them don't order specific cards. It's only casual, we make decks with whatever we have availiable.
I wa thinking removing the Lich fo that exact reason.