MBC - Mostly Black Control

Standard Wylmryk

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RedSeries says... #1

I have yet to be hit ONCE by a Desecration Demon . I don''t think he fits in here without Blood Artist honestly. With the kind of deck you want to play (via desc), it might be better simply to drop the singleton of card:Curse of Death's Hold and the two Desecration Demon s for 3x mainboard card:Rakdos's Return (toss the Curse in place of the return in the sideboard). Maybe even make this into a discard-ish deck and slap in Shrieking Affliction . As a control player that would freak the crap out of me, and with the amount of removal you have you might as well not worry about aggro.

Some cards you have I think are just not too helpful for you:

Diabolic Revelation is useful after turn 7 or so only, and that's assuming you hit every land drop. It's not a good card, sorry to say. Perhaps some Duress ?

Slaughter Games is definitely a game 2/3 card to get rid of an opponent's win condition. I'd put it in side for another Pillar of Flame .

Liliana of the Dark Realms is good, and I get that she feeds Mutilate , but why not Liliana of the Veil ?

Of course, that would take this deck in another direction, but these are just suggestions. Discard as a mechanic is actually viable from what I've been playing lately and it's interesting to make a deck around right now (provided you don't go nuts).

Either way, these are just friendly suggestions! Play the way you like, with the deck you like to play. Magic is all about having fun!

October 12, 2012 4:31 a.m.

skittles says... #2

I play a similar list to this, only playing Jund rather than just Rakdos. I think Blasphemous Act might be a good sideboard boardwipe. It allows you to sweep things like armada wurm reasonably consistently (although you do play one more swamp than me)

I really like Sign in Blood . Occasionally it's a shock, but it mostly just lets you fill up on gas. I also really like Underworld Connections but 3 may be too much. If you're trying to draw to a certain answer earlier on, it seems better.

I would like to know what you think of Desecration Demon . I've found the card to be very good. With the vast amounts of removal, the card puts the game away quickly.

Mono- Black Jund. This is my decklist if you want to compare ideas. I think our decks are pretty similar and I'd like to know what you think. +1 from me

October 12, 2012 5:31 a.m.

Wylmryk says... #3

@Red - It seems like your feedback is generally leaning toward turning the deck into a discard focused deck, and I think the removal suite that is there is far too heavy were that the route to take. I think there's definitely something there, but it's not really the focus I was going for. The format seems so heavy in aggro/midrange that I felt like a Mutilate focused creature control deck could do well, and so far it has. There's very few things around that I could Duress that scare me enough to do so.

Diabolic Revelation is in there for turn 7+, 8+ most often. The deck was designed to force a late game, but seemed to run out of steam around then. Cracking that with a good board position on turn 8 means I can grab the second revelation, Elixir of Immortality , and whatever I want. I agree that, for a tutor effect it's pretty bad, but it fits surprisingly well here, at least in the playtesting I've done so far. Don't get me wrong, I've got my eye on it and if it starts to under-preform, it's out, along with all the singletons as they're just there to be fetched. Even fetching a card:Rakdos's Return by turn 8/9 to rip out big things like Entreat the Angels , Sigarda, Host of Herons (who is pretty scary), or even the rest of their Thragtusk s is pretty good. If I pull it in my opening hand, based on the colors I can assume the bombs - if there's green, call Thragtusk , if it's U/W/x, Entreat the Angels is likely to be around, I could even make them mad and rip Snapcaster Mage . At this point in the meta there's some staples floating around that, even if I don't yank them, I'd be happy in game 1 knowing they're not around.

As far as Liliana of the Dark Realms vs Liliana of the Veil , it really came down to synergy. I did test with Veil for a while, but she almost always was a 3 mana edict and single attack shield. Wanting to drop my mana every turn and minimize card loss, her +1 was rarely if ever appealing. Dark Realms is slower and does not fit the curve quite as well, but feeding Mutilate / Diabolic Revelation every turn is glorious, her mini Mutilate is an awesome backup plan, and if I ever get lower than I want, I can -3 my Vampire Nighthawk and just swing into something and soak up the lifelink to buy time. Not to mention, her ulti makes Diabolic Revelation into card:Rakdos's Return game over.

October 12, 2012 7:49 a.m.

Wylmryk says... #4

Desecration Demon . Love him or hate him, I hear very little in-between. I fully agree, in most any deck, he's pretty bad. But, in a deck whose sole focus is keeping your opponent's side as clear of creatures as possible, if you have a clear board on their side turn 4, which isn't abnormal, he's an absolute bomb. In fact, even later on, if their side is clear or they only have 1 creature, he's pretty scary. Not only are they dealing with your removal, but they're trying to manage to keep him from hitting them in the face. He also ducks under 90% of your Mutilates. Turn 4 him, turn 5 Mutilate , have fun. Or, vise-versa. Just because the deck is designed to go late game doesn't mean I won't be happy with the Demon winning before I can get to tutor anything. And he has. Even if he just pulls spot removal, it can pave the way for an unanswered Olivia Voldaren , which has also happened to me, and has won me the game. So far, I've not played DDemon and later felt is was a mistake, but like I said in the description, I have my eye n him in a big way.

@skittles - I had seriously considered Blasphemous Act , and I might do some playtesting with it. It feels like it's much more at home in Jund control though, as it's more of a frontlines battle - your creatures vs. theirs rather than spell removal keeping the board clear. Using it on just Armada Wurm would be 7 mana to kill 2 creatures, which doesn't feel efficient. May toss a couple in the board for vs/ Entreat the Angels though. I love messing with people playing Entreat.

I think my real issue with Underworld Connections and Sign in Blood is that I don't have a lot of leftover room for card advantage, which is surprisingly less of a problem than I'd expected. Ideally, I'd run 2x Underworld Connections and 3x Sign in Blood if I had the room, but with the tutor combo and the one-ofs taking a bit of space, I don't feel like I can lighten my removal even more. If I do decide to remove the tutor stuff, I'm running both no questions. I also playtested Bloodgift Demon for a while, but I ended up taking him out. Not having a choice hurt more than I expected.

Anyway, TL;DR - Thanks for your input! :D

October 12, 2012 7:51 a.m.

MollyMab says... #5

Have you looked at one of the recent RB control decks that did well at one of the tournies?

October 22, 2012 2:57 a.m.

Wylmryk says... #6

@Lea

I saw the RACKdos deck played at SCG Prov I think it was, but beyond that I hadn't heard of any BR control variants placing high, though admittedly I don't fanatically follow pro tourneys as much as I probably should.

October 22, 2012 3:29 a.m.

Surfkatt says... #7

Hey, love the idea. Its alot like my deck (shameless plug here:http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/daughters-of-darkness/) but instead of green you went red. I feel red might be the best choice for the early game and rakdos return but green gives you better answers to enchantments, planeswalkers and anything else in the form of Vraska. It also gives access to the best creature in standard aka thragtusk. Also im a little shaky on your mana base, only 16 swamps? That makes mutilate alot worse. I get that you probably only want it there for there early game dudes, but playtesting your list I tended to get stuck on 3-4 swamps for awhile. Against zombies thats okay but against reanimator (Angel of serenity) and American control (Entreat the angels) you need as many swamps as possible. Also with only 23 lands your count is a little low. In a control deck it is 1000x times better to get mana flooded than mana screwed especially with cards relying on tons of mana (Olivia, rakdos return, Mutilate, etc.). Anyway, that is my two cents: take it or leave it.

October 22, 2012 11:40 a.m.

Wylmryk says... #8

@Surfkatt - Thanks for the input! I am looking at where I can cut to get at least one more land in. I swear Tappedout's playtest thing hates this deck, I always draw way better with the physical deck than I do on there. I've only been "swamp screwed" for mutilate once and that was an older build of the deck. My buddy keeps poking fun at me for running Liliana of the Dark Realms , but fetching swamps to power Mutilate and thin the deck has really proven itself to me. I do wish there was some enchantment removal available, but it is what it is. I'd also like to get the 4th Dreadbore in there. I'm thinking of the Tragic Slips for a swamp and 4th Dreadbore, but we'll see what happens. I'd load it more on swamps, but I don't want to undersell myself on red mana because Olivia's 1R ability can be pretty nasty. Also, I'm glad to see someone is playing Vraska, I feel like she's undervalued at the moment, but we shall see.

October 23, 2012 12:34 a.m.

Surfkatt says... #9

Yeah, I get poked at for playing Vraska and Lili. Lili wins games for me with her -3 and a nighthawk. I can't say how many times in playtesting I have caught people offguard with a 10/11 nighthawk. Also sometimes I just need a kill spell and she serves that purpose perfectly. And im not gonna lie, Vraska is a worse malstrom pulse that can sometimes win the game. Its very rare for me to do anything but -3 her asap then start +1ing her. I get the same issue with the playtester, it is great and all but wicked inaccurate. Those seem like good cuts, you already have a much better game versus zombies with the pillars and dreadbores to the point you dont need the slips.

October 23, 2012 8:28 a.m.

Wylmryk says... #10

I really liked the slips, they kinda come out of nowhere, but playing around them was annoying and more of a hassle than they're worth. I might very well be biased about Vraska, just the idea of a "deathtouch" planeswalker struck me as pretty cool, but yeah, I totally understand her shortcomings. I decided to go for the 3rd Olivia over the 4th Dreadbore mainboard and tossed the 4th Dreadbore in the side for 'walker heavy opponents, so we'll see how this goes.

October 23, 2012 9:32 a.m.

Wylmryk says... #11

Also, thank you for bringing up using the -3 on Lili on a Nighthawk. Even a 7/8 Nighthawk can bring you from the verge of death to back in the game. I've used her -3 for the +X/+X probably just as many times as I have for the -X/-X, and I think people sometimes forget there's the option there. Also, it could save a Nighthawk/Olivia/whatever from your own Mutilate in a pinch.

October 23, 2012 10:28 a.m.

Like the deck. But if you got problem with some nasty enchantment u could always try to find a place for some duress. U could check out my r/b control deck Bonfire of the Witch. And yes doing the +x/+x on ur creature then a mutilate is always good.

October 23, 2012 11:21 a.m.

feklar says... #13

my deck is very similar however I have searing spear x4 and pillar of flame in mine turn 1-4 seems problematic vs quick aggro decks.

November 9, 2012 10:32 a.m.

Wylmryk says... #14

Considering putting in 3 Dead Weight in place of the 2 Sever the Bloodline moving those to side and one Underworld Connections for some cheap early-game black removal. I'm hesitant to pull anymore black out of the deck in favor of red or my swamp count will start getting so low that Mutilate won't be nearly as efficient. At the very least, if Curse of the Pierced Heart doesn't do what I want it to, I'll be boarding some Dead Weight for the hyper-aggro matchup, but between Pillar of Flame , Dreadbore , Vampire Nighthawk /Tribute to Hunger , getting to T4 isn't as hard as even I'd expected.

November 11, 2012 3:51 a.m.

Frozensun07 says... #15

i really think against agro you need Bonfire of the Damned i know you dont want to put to much more red in your deck but against agro you really do need it Mutilate simply wont be enough , your mana should be fine. if not take out one of your Stensia Bloodhall s for another mountain or even a Rakdos Guildgate .

November 12, 2012 2:31 p.m.

Wylmryk says... #18

I playtested Bonfire of the Damned back in the first incarnation of this deck, and hated it. I'd rather run Mizzium Mortars for another wipe if I need it, non-miracle Bonfire felt like such a dead card, and the miracle seemed to come up only when I didn't need it. I think I was excited to see it maybe 2-3 games out of the 15 or so I tested with it that it came up. It was literally the first card I cut.

November 12, 2012 2:53 p.m.

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