- 1x Battlefield Forge
- 1x Caves of Koilos
- 1x Clifftop Retreat
- 1x Command Tower
- 1x Dragonskull Summit
- 1x Evolving Wilds
- 1x Exotic Orchard
- 1x Isolated Chapel
- 1x Kor Haven
- 1x Maze of Ith
- 3x Mountain
- 1x Myriad Landscape
- 1x Nomad Outpost
- 6x Plains
- 1x Reliquary Tower
- 1x Rogue's Passage
- 1x Scavenger Grounds
- 1x Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep
- 1x Sulfurous Springs
- 1x Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
- 5x Swamp
- 1x Temple of Malice
- 1x Temple of Silence
- 1x Temple of the False God
- 1x Temple of Triumph
- 1x Terramorphic Expanse
- 1x Anguished Unmaking
- 1x Backlash
- 1x Batwing Brume
- 1x Boros Charm
- 1x Comeuppance
- 1x Dawn Charm
- 1x Deflecting Palm
- 1x Delirium
- 1x Mortify
- 1x Path to Exile
- 1x Rakdos Charm
- 1x Teferi's Protection
- 1x Utter End
- 1x Wild Ricochet
- 1x Word of Seizing
- 1x Blind Obedience
- 1x Curse of Opulence
- 1x Delaying Shield
- 1x Duelist's Heritage
- 1x Ghostly Prison
- 1x Gossamer Chains
- 1x Land Tax
- 1x No Mercy
- 1x Phyrexian Arena
- 1x Rest in Peace
- 1x Righteous Aura
- 1x Sphere of Safety
- 1x Underworld Connections
- 1x Austere Command
- 1x Besmirch
- 1x Demonic Tutor
- 1x Diabolic Tutor
- 1x Disrupt Decorum
- 1x Exsanguinate
- 1x Hallowed Burial
- 1x Hour of Revelation
- 1x Insurrection
- 1x Merciless Eviction
- 1x Read the Bones
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No, anti-wide is almost always how it gets used. I often hold it, even when I could use it for something else, just so the anti-wide ability can take out my opponent.
June 4, 2017 12:26 a.m.
Your deck disappeared again. I keep trying to explore yours as a way to improve mine, and I find it is not on the decksearch, and even when I go to your profile, it does not appear on the list of decks in your profile. I have to look through your decklists in order to find it. Those people who are just exploring Queen Marchesa decks will never find it, and I think that is a huge shame, and keeps them from seeing the full breadth of possible uses of the Queen. I find that the contrast between each optimized Queen Marchesa deck is as informative as each deck list is on it's own.
As another note, my deck often appears further down the list when searched than any of the tracked numbers would indicate it should be. Do you have an idea of why my deck ends up being 4th or further down the list, no matter what search criteria I use? I would like to optimize how my deck appears in searches, and I am just curious how you and the others who are at the top of the list have done this.
June 4, 2017 10:25 a.m.
precociousapprentice, I just checked and both of our decks show up at the top of the list when looking for Queen Marchesa decks.
Sometimes tappedout is buggy. Perhaps it was just having another bad day? haha
June 5, 2017 1:11 p.m.
Yeah, very strange. I guess it doesn't matter that much. Just kind of funny that it is a little buggy like that. Sometimes mine is listed lower than it should be, sometimes yours is not listed at all. I guess lower than it should be is better than not listed at all, and I should just not worry about it.
June 5, 2017 1:15 p.m.
Have you considered Koskun Falls as another pillow effect? I use it in my deck, and it works pretty nicely. Tapping one creature isn't all that bad.
June 21, 2017 3:45 p.m.
I like all these changes. My deck evolution has shown me that these same changes worked great in my version. I think you will be happy.
June 27, 2017 12:48 p.m.
I have an Hour of Revelation that I have not yet tried. I may check it out.
July 20, 2017 8:30 p.m.
precociousapprentice, yeah...it could fit in your Burning Wish sideboard
July 20, 2017 9:53 p.m.
That has been a consideration. Right now Austere Command has been pulling that duty rather well. I may test it in that spot.
July 20, 2017 11:45 p.m.
precociousapprentice, tough call between those two. I really like both. I do enjoy the flexibility of Austere Command though. It's great to be able to tailor the boardwipe so it hurts you the least.
July 21, 2017 12:28 a.m.
July 26, 2017 6:08 p.m.
lucal13, thanks for the suggestions. Leyline of Sanctity would be great in here but its price tag is a little steep right now. Perhaps if it gets reprinted. Aegis of the Gods is an interesting budget option. As a small creature I'd be worried about it getting removed too easily. I'll consider it though :)
July 27, 2017 5:45 p.m.
lucal13, just looked at other hexproof options and found Witchbane Orb for about 50 cents lol. Hmm i'll think about it. I'm not sure how often I need hexproof as the player. Usually it's my permanents I want to have hexproof.
July 27, 2017 5:52 p.m.
sashaza, I temporarily took her out to test other cards. I've found that I've missed her though so she's going back in.
July 28, 2017 11:37 a.m.
I had considered Anointed Procession, but in every case I would want it, I figured it would be win more.
July 30, 2017 1:59 p.m.
That's fair enough. I was taught to play MTG not by winning but winning more and that's usually how I think. This is a pretty solid deck regardless
August 4, 2017 3:43 p.m.
joshposhua and precociousapprentice, yeah I could see Anointed Procession being great in a build that more reliably produces tokens. Even Marchesa's own assassin token doesn't come out very often. The deck pillowforts so well that I rarely lose the monarchy and therefore don't get an assassin token.
August 4, 2017 7:58 p.m.
Once Commander 2017 releases I could imagine this deck running Stalking Leonin, it's another great card that dissuades all opponents from attacking
August 8, 2017 6:25 p.m.
Venomous08, I'm definitely considering that card. It could be a useful pillowfort :)
August 8, 2017 7:40 p.m.
Needs more plains fetches and Mistveil Plains so you can keep reusing Sunforger.
August 10, 2017 12:14 p.m.
Love the C17 changes. Exactly in line with my feelings about the set and Marchesa. Perfect.
August 18, 2017 9:59 p.m.
I think Mathas, Fiend Seeker will do you some solid political plays.
August 27, 2017 11:56 p.m.
I love to see the evolution of your deck. Parallel but divergent from mine. I have yet to have a chance to trial the C17 changes. I moved to a different state, and have been way too busy to explore a new gaming venue and meta. I am glad to hear about your experience with Teferi's Protection and Curse of Opulence. I have high hopes.
August 31, 2017 3:16 p.m.
precociousapprentice, finally had a chance cast Disrupt Decorum last night and it performed well. Knocked one person right out of the game and left another very exposed. I ended up winning that match.
Played Mathas, Fiend Seeker in 2 games last night and...meh. Both times it didn't really change opponents' behaviour which was the whole point. He drew some cards incidentally (when a creature died in combat or by boardwipe) but didn't seem to encourage opponents to burn their kill spells. If I'm drawing cards incidentally I want it to be just ME who draws them. I'll give him a bit more time in the deck but I may just sub back in Read the Bones.
Erebos, God of the Dead has been performing well and is "turned on" more easily than expected in a 3-colour deck. He ended up winning a game with Sunforger attached.
Underworld Connections has also been performing quite well, giving me a card when I don't tap out with other instant speed effects.
September 1, 2017 1:07 p.m.
That sounds very positive MegaMatt13. I was anticipating Mathas, Fiend Seeker not doing what people were saying he would do. I feel like he could be exploited as a commander, but likely he will not fit in a lot of 99s.
I can't wait to see Disrupt Decorum in action. I have high hopes. It is not quite Insurrection, but it is close, and actually has a slightly different effect in that the attacks come on other people's turns, sequentially exposing them to counter attacks. It will be a player in both our decks.
I have looked at Underworld Connections several times. It is obviously very close to Phyrexian Arena, but you have to activate it, alleviating the danger of accidentally killing yourself while imposing a small price to use. I still think that it doesn't have the raw power of Necropotence, but it is probably a great incremental card draw, and may be better than most other options.
I should probably add a section into my deck description detailing cards like Erebos, God of the Dead, Dread, Rune-Scarred Demon, Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts, or other big bomb wincons with added value that can be subbed in depending on meta. Erebos, God of the Dead is probably a total beast against lifegain decks, and adding it simply as a bomb with added card draw is reasonable enough. I traded for one at one time specifically for adding into Queen Marchesa's army, but I never played it.
I love that the core of our decks are super similar, but the trim around the edges is quite different. I am going to put your deck into my inspirations section. Anyone looking to make a Queen Marchesa political control deck should probably look at both decks for a more complete understanding of the archetype.
September 1, 2017 2:14 p.m.
precociousapprentice, hope your move went as smoothly as possible. I am thinking of adding an inspirations section too and would certainly add your deck. It's definitely informed some of my choices.
I've already taken out Mathas. He just didn't perform at all. He didn't seem to influence opponents' behaviour... Probably because my opponents didn't want to see me draw cards. Curse of opulence I think is in the sweet spot of enticing opponents without making them fear the value it also gives you.
I look forward to hearing about your playing experiences with the new cards.
September 2, 2017 7:08 p.m.
I'm currently building a Marchesa deck and this and precociousapprentice's write ups have been really useful, thanks. Going a bit of a different direction, forcing opponents to attack with cards like Fumiko the Lowblood, hopefully not at me or my fort! Have you tried any of this type of effect?
September 9, 2017 5:36 p.m.
For my build, Fumiko the Lowblood never added up. I never had enough creatures to attack with the make it a serious threat, and whenever I wanted her to be big enough to survive blocking a huge creature, there were rarely enough attackers to make her big enough. I went with things like Master of Cruelties and other deathtouch creatures. It may make a fine budget alternative to Master of Cruelties in the right build, though.
September 9, 2017 7:10 p.m.
Mrf1shie, thanks for taking a look at the deck.
I haven't tried Fumiko specifically but I have tried that effect with Goblin Diplomats and Goblin Spymaster. My experience was that people would agree to attack me out of spite for being forced to attack (even with the pillowfort). That is why I prefer cards like Disrupt Decorum and Besmirch because you force them to attack each other. Curse of Opulence and Duelist's Heritage are great because it gives them a bonus of they attack someone else. Maybe the mindset of your playgroup is different and you won't run into the same problem of people attacking you out of spite. Just want to warn you this MAY happen, especially after they figure out what Marchesa is up to.
September 9, 2017 7:13 p.m.
Yeah, the reason I'm planning on using the "everyone attack" style cards are that a lot of my playgroup likes to sit back and durdle until they can swing out for the win (or just win with combo). I know ow they're not going to make any friends, was just wondering if when you ran them, the rattlesnakes were enough.
September 9, 2017 7:42 p.m.
It is not able to tap artifacts, however it costs only to activate and once it has three brick counters, it is quite strong blocking activated abilities.
October 2, 2017 7:07 a.m.
zenia thanks for the suggestion. edifice looks like a decent card. I prefer pacification array's flexibility though. not only does it prevent attack, it can also tap down blockers. this makes it a great political card when opponent A is trying to attack opponent B
October 8, 2017 2:24 p.m.
Agreed, MegaMatt13. zenia, being able to use all your pieces to not just stop attacks, but to redirect them at your opponents, that is the real power of a political Queen Marchesa. edifice of authority may stop an attack, and later may even stop an ability, but I would rather that my opponents keep all their offense at full strength, just be unwilling to target me with it. edifice of authority stops them from being able to attack my opponents, and leaves a blocker around to discourage people from attacking them until later in the game. Interesting, but I think it would not replace Pacification Array.
October 8, 2017 4:31 p.m.
how about Reciprocate it's an exile for 1, and it kinda "displays" what will happen to opponents that attack you and not each other.
October 13, 2017 1:02 a.m.
Sismir, I know this is not directed my way, but I would like to chime in. I think that any targeted removal needs to be the least conditional possible. This is even more conditional than Condemn, in that you can't even get rid of something when it attacks someone else. Reciprocate is only good for those attacking you. I would not run it over Condemn, and I wouldn't run Condemn. That is just me, though.
October 13, 2017 4:04 p.m.
Sismir, really appreciate the suggestion. As precociousapprentice mentioned Reciprocate is a bit too conditional. I want to be able to remove a threat before it has the chance to hit me. Also, sometimes I want to remove a threat targeting someone else for political reasons.
October 14, 2017 4:54 p.m.
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|Date added||9 months|
|Last updated||19 hours|
This deck is Commander / EDH legal.
|Tokens||3/3 Ogre, 1/1 Assassin, Gold, 1/1 Spirit, Monarch|
|Folders||Decks of Interest - EDH, inspiration, edh_to_build, EDH, The Queen, Marchesa's Machinations, EDH References, all decks, Decks to Build, Ideas, See all 67|
|Top rank||#9 on 2017-10-17|