Queen of the Orzhov [[Teysa Karlov Combo Build]]

Commander / EDH BlueBat93

SCORE: 83 | 46 COMMENTS | 25789 VIEWS | IN 31 FOLDERS


Update #2 —Jan. 16, 2019

Revel in Riches and Smothering Tithe are out, Torment of Hailfire and Hangarback Walker are in!

I feel like the Revel in Riches-package is nice but too slow and not a reliable win condition. If you get to your ten treasures at some point (and that's not very hard in this deck), Revel in Riches has to stay around until your next upkeep. That's very hard to pull off, so I felt like it would be better to replace with another win condition. Since Smothering Tithe is only in here for Revel in Riches it felt only natural to cut it as well, since the ramp it provides really doesn't have that much of an impact in my opinion.

So, our win condition to replace Revel in Riches will be Torment of Hailfire! This is an optimal inclusion for this list and synergizes well with the rest of the deck since it is a great target to pour your infinite mana into from your Ashnod's Altar combos. Even if you don't have the mana to instakill the table Torment of Hailfire is a pretty crippling spell for your opponents. So it is definitely worth the include!

Our second edition is Hangarback Walker. While also an amazing target for infinite mana when casting it, we also have a very reliable way to create tokens here. All in all a very synergistic card that deserves a spot in here as well!

BlueBat93 says... #1

law579, Xynarth: These are some very nice suggestions. I am actually thinking about taking out the Aetherflux Reservoir-Package for a while now. I have the impression that it'll be hard to pull off and you never get to the life levels that threathen a win against 3 opponents at once. Blood Artist and the others will do the job I guess. What do you guys think?

January 8, 2019 3:05 a.m.

Xynarth says... #2

BlueBat93 I think it's the right call to remove the lifegain aspect, since there are no double triggers on them.

If ever you go that route again, I would recommend Deathgreeter instead, and Moonlit Wake.

As for Blood Artist, he's alright. But even with Teysa, you 'only' target two players. It could still be good though with the right engine on the board.

Some more cards I think are interesting:

Mana: Black Market (absolute must, I find), Pawn of Ulamog (non-token though..)

Token generators: Flesh Carver, Hangarback Walker, Lightning Coils, Ogre Slumlord, Requiem Angel, Hallowed Spiritkeeper, Spawning Pit (sac outlet that allows you to rebuild somewhat)

I mostly highlighted the generate X tokens since you'll be doubling your token generation. If put alongside Anointed Procession, you're quadrupling your creature count.

Recursion: Gift of Immortality. Cauldron of Souls, Nether Traitor (another Reassembling Skeleton almost), Mimic Vat (allows you to disrupt your opponents as well as enables some shenanigans on your own board), Lifeline (another must, I find, considering your deck prioritizes things dying as much as possible)

Card advantage: Jar of Eyeballs, Gate to the Afterlife, Inheritance

The 'must-adds' in my book are Black Market, Nether Traitor, Gift of Immortality and Lifeline though. The rest are food for thought mostly :)

Hope you're having fun, Aristocrats is always hilarious fun to play ^__^

January 8, 2019 11:56 a.m.

law579 says... #3

I agree with Xynarth. Another I'd suggest is Nim Deathmantle since you're already running Grave Titan and Ashnod's Altar. It also supplies some recursion and buffs (Teysa Karlov could really use protection.) On that note I'd definitely also recommend moving Wurmcoil Engine to mainboard. It's juicy by itself but once you add on the double trigger and the fact that it's another combo piece it becomes a must have.

Maybe cut Tithe Taker. I don't think the afterlife trigger is worth the worse Grand Abolisher.

January 8, 2019 5:49 p.m.

CaptnShady says... #4

Have you considered Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet?

It seems about perfect for this deck as it's death triggers would double as well as making tokens.

January 9, 2019 4:49 a.m.

Xynarth says... #5

CaptnShady

I don't think it works. Kalitas' ability is a replacement effect. The creatures no longer die.

Dying means the creature has to wind up in the graveyard. In Kalitas' case, it ships them off directly into exile. It's the same for commanders going to the command zone. They are not considered "dying" unless they wind up in the graveyard.

Even if this were not the case, I think you'd just get 1 token anyway since the creature can only be exiled once.

January 9, 2019 1:42 p.m.

BlueBat93 says... #6

Thanks for the comments guys!

Xynarth, law579: I added some of your suggestions. I also added in Quest for the Gravelord. I think it might be my new all-star. I was looking at my Varina list and when I saw it I thought it would synergize amazingly with Teysa Karlov. A double trigger if any creatures dies and a constant token re-supply seems amazing.

CaptnShady: Thanks for the suggestion but the others are right unfortunately. ALthough he is a good token producer, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet doesn't synergize too well with Teysa Karlov.

January 9, 2019 2:01 p.m.

Xynarth says... #7

I like the Quest, but it needs to be sacrificed after removing the three counters, sadly. There are a few sac weenies in white that would allow to fetch it back from the graveyard, but I don't know...

Instead, I'd put in something like Yahenni, Undying Partisan. Triggers with Teysa, has synergy through his sac indestructibility, and will eventually become quite monstrous (if that's the plan behind the 5/5).

Also considering you have 6-7 humans, maybe you could run Xathrid Necromancer. I know it's not really great, but still. Same for Disciple of Bolas to get some more card draw and Shadows of the Past is great value (I'd run either it or the Jar of Eyeballs that I mentioned before). Just remember that it's "Scry 1" twice and not "Scry 2" . People in my playgroup forget sometimes, hehe

PS

I know these are a looooot of suggestions being thrown at you left and right, sorry about that. I'm just in a really big deck building/experimenting mood lately!

January 9, 2019 3:15 p.m.

BlueBat93 says... #8

Xynarth: Actually I just skipped the sacrifice part... dammit, I was already so excited about getting 5/5s all day long. I put in Yahenni, Undying Partisan. It's really hard to choose between Jar of Eyeballs and Shadows of the Past. I am also constantly thinking about Nether Traitor. Hundred cards are just not enough T_T I just want some more spots...

Maybe I should just take out the Revel in Riches-package? Although it's a very fun win condition and might help you win games in stuck situations...

January 9, 2019 3:43 p.m. Edited.

skroes says... #9

I see you have Dictate of Erebos but not Butcher of Malakir? Maybe its too redundant but I would certainly consider running both.

January 9, 2019 4:53 p.m.

Xynarth says... #10

I know! The struggle is real! Haha!

What I like about the Jar is that you put one of those cards in hand. However, you have to pay 3 and tap. As opposed to Shadows, you just get value for free. But the Jar is basically a tutor once you get enough counters on it really... And considering how often you'll be recycling your own board, it should be easy to sift through the entirety of the deck.

I've been going back in forth in my mind about Revel in Riches. If it weren't for the fact that it only triggers on your opponents' creatures dying, then I'd say keep it. Have it in your sideboard, and if ever you play against another sacrifice heavy deck, slot it in. Needless to say, it earns you points for style if you win with it!

That said, I'd definitely keep the Pitiless Plunderer. He basically turns all your sac outlets into Phyrexian Altars by generating Treasures. Bonkers. Easy to go infinite with it.

As for Nether Traitor, I'd slot him in instead of something like Skirsdag High Priest or Falkenrath Noble. Skirsdag is just meh, and by replacing the noble, you trim your curve. It's literally the only reason I don't like him (4 for what he does is too much, it's why you have Zulaport Cutthroat and Blood Artist instead).

January 9, 2019 4:58 p.m.

BlueBat93 says... #11

skroes: I don't run it because it is too expensive. I already have Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos. Seven mana is a lot for an effect I can get from far cheaper cards.

Xynarth: Yeah, I already thought on cutting Skirsdag High Priest. He seemed underwhelming to me as well. Have you thought about the combo of Divine Visitation + Requiem Angel yet? With a sac outlet it goes infinite like Darkest Hour + Teysa, Orzhov Scion .

January 9, 2019 5:20 p.m.

Nice deck, have you considered Massacre Wurm? Its second ability is pretty devastating under normal circumstances, let alone with Teysa in play.

Deathrender seems like it's pretty good with Teysa as well, though perhaps you'd need to incorporate some additional big creatures (Kokusho, Yosei, Wurmcoil) to really take advantage of it.

I went a little more artifact heavy to abuse Marionette Master in my build but otherwise I think we're on more or less the same wavelength.

January 11, 2019 1:29 p.m.

By the way, my decklist for reference.

January 11, 2019 7:09 p.m.

Xynarth says... #14

I had not noticed that...! Some reason my comment didn't show up... Anyway. That is gross, and I need to be careful for when I play the angel in my Teshar deck.

I'm also wondering how good Genesis Chamber would be in your deck. Thoughts?

January 11, 2019 11:37 p.m.

BX223Hunter says... #15

Reaper from the Abyss seems good here

January 12, 2019 12:11 a.m.

Santiago1011 says... #16

I'm having trouble deciding if I should make one deck for each of her abilities or not.Obviously the token deck would have afterlife cards and marsh flitter and similar effects so they can benefit from the double trigger, but mainly focus on tokens. what are your thoughts? would straight tokens be too weak to dedicate the entire deck to?

Also, will you be updating this once ravnica allegiance is released with any other synergistic cards? And how competitive do you think this deck is?

January 12, 2019 3:18 a.m.

BlueBat93 says... #17

Thanks for the comments!

Miscalcul8edRisk: Yeah it's a devestating trigger for sure. Still with six mana Massacre Wurm is pretty mana-intensive and I feel like it would slow down the deck too much. Deathrender is a good card as well but I think it would fit into a less 'competitive' deck better since as you said, there should be more value-creatures in the deck as well.

Xynarth: Genesis Chamber might actually be a very good token generator. I'm a little bit worried about its downside but I'm definitely willing to try it out. Thanks for the suggestion!

BX223Hunter: Yeash, it might be good but since I already have a lot of answers in here and he is very mana-intensive, I'm not sure if it is worth to put him in here.

werewolf1101: Well, I think you should focus on a certain strategy in any build with Teysa Karlov . If you want death triggers focus on that, gaining a bunch of tokens should be a nice byproduct in a list like that but it should not be it's main focus. Same goes for token, life gain, combo etc. Focus on one strategy and take other synergies as a nice byproduct. That's why I took out the lifegain package. It was a nice little win condition with Aetherflux Reservoir but it took away from the overall synergy. So, focus on your main strategy. And as it changes so should your cards. Yes, I will look further on the Ravnica Allegiance cards but I think I have picked out the best already. I think this list is pretty synergistic and strong even though it takes some more fine-tuning. Anyway, I have my doubts that Teysa Karlov can get to the highest competitve level.

January 12, 2019 4:06 a.m.

Santiago1011 says... #18

Hey just double checking, Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim , Hell's Caretaker , Sadistic Hypnotist , Priest of Forgotten Gods , etc., aren't affected by Teysa correct? Even though they all involve dying creatures, they aren't doubled?

January 12, 2019 11:49 p.m.

Agreed Bluebat, let's get the notion of 'competitive' off the table to begin with. She doesn't provide inherent card advantage and she doesn't do anything without the help of other cards. That being said, it doesn't detract from her cool factor. If the idea is to be competitive, play Tymna partnered with some combination of green and/or blue.

Also, I wouldn't dismiss Massacre Wurm so quickly, that card does tremendous work even at 'competitive' tables. I'm sure you've seen how devastated boards can become when Elesh Norn hits; Wurm's etb is similar, albeit non-continual. Sure, you don't get the pump on your side of the board but that usually only serves to push damage, which the Wurm can pseudo-emulate with its second ability. Keep an eye out for the situations it would be stellar in, I bet you'll be surprised.

January 13, 2019 12:26 a.m.

Nice build! I've got an exile deck that runs all 3 versions of Teysa. She's rather high mana cost, but is quite powerful and has good synergy with the other Teysa versions if you can manage the cost (not so bad in EDH format). Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts

January 13, 2019 6:08 a.m.

Fallerup says... #21

the problem with Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts is exactly her mana cost. She really needs Edgewalker type effects on the battlefield to be worth including in the deck. so you need your Oketra's Monument and Bontu's Monument both out in order for Envoy of ghosts to be worth it.

January 15, 2019 12:22 a.m.