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Kydele and Silas: Eldrazi Sultai Summoners

Commander / EDH Aggro BUG (Sultai) Eldrazi Ramp

MegaMatt13


Description

Kydele was given a vision of Eldrazi by Kruphix. She decided "hey, their victory seems inevitable. I might as well join 'em". She uses her visionary magic to summon them from the deep eternities.

The main theme of the deck is to draw massive amounts of cards to fuel Kydele. She then uses her magic to summon giant Eldrazi or a massive Genesis Wave/Villainous Wealth finish off opponents. This deck is for you if you like to have an excuse to draw insane amounts of cards and swing withEldrazi. Silas Renn? Really he's just there to watch while Kydele works her magic while giving us access to black.

This isn't a combo deck or win via Laboratory Maniac deck.

Please offer feedback and upvote if you like!

The deck operates like a magic machine: draw cards, tap Kydele for lots of mana, draw more cards, untap and tap Kydele again, and finally cast a giant spell.. The deck runs a far above average amount of card draw spells to get the engine going.This magic machine needs to be sparked by certain spells:

Paradox Engine: Opponents need to kill this Artifact on sight. The deck doesn't go infinite but this Artifact comes damn close. It's easy to burn through most of the deck with all the mana rocks and Kydele herself.

Thousand-Year Elixir, Aphetto Alchemist, Vizier of Tumbling Sands , and Kiora's Follower: Allows you to untap Kydele. Often I will draw cards, tap Kydele, use that mana to draw more cards, untap Kydele and then tap her again for even more mana.

Brainstorm, Ponder, Serum Visions and Preordain: Small "cantrip" cards that can help smooth out the deck and get the engine running. Brainstorm is particularly good because it counts as drawing 3 cards even though you have to put two back, giving Kydele a big boost.

Arcanis the Omnipotent, Magus of the Jar, and Whirlpool Rider : Card drawing creatures that help pump Kydele. Zegana, Whirlpool Rider, and Magus of the Jar in particular can draw a ton of cards relative to their mana cost.

Diminishing Returns + Time Reversal: Helps prevent self-milling while also digging deeper into the deck.

Recurring Insight: Draws a fistful of cards...twice! If this resolves I'm usually "going off" with my deck, casting Eldrazi left and right.

Rishkar's Expertise: Quickly becoming a green staple in Commander, this can draw a lot of cards and then gives you a free cast. Similar to Zegana, I don't mind using this even if I only have a medium-sized creature. It's still card advantage that will fuel the Kydele engine and give me a free spell.

Windfall and Whispering Madness: These "wheel" effects are great at digging deep into the deck and generating a lot of mana with Kydele. Cards like Eternal Witness and Artisan of Kozilek help recur any great cards that had to be discarded.

Jace's Archivist: A repeatable "wheel" which can generate absurd amounts of mana when paired with the untappers mentioned above.

Notion Thief: This guy is just plain rude in combination with "wheel" or Time Reversal effects. Your opponents will have to discard their hands but you'll be the one drawing all their cards.

Stroke of Genius: can be flexibly used to either draw a ton of cards or mill someone out (less frequent)

Kruphix, God of Horizons: We're gonna need somewhere to dump our mana until we find an Eldrazi or X spell. Kruphix provides us with an indestructible "bank" for our mana, keeping it safe while we dig for a win condition.

Thrasios, Triton Hero: He acts as another bank for Kydele's colourless mana. His ability will help scry through the deck, provide ramp, and provide extra card draw.

Though primarily an aggro deck, Kydele needs some defensive magic for protection while she gets her magic machine or card draw and ramp up and running.

Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots: Commander staples that protect Kydele and other key pieces from spot removal. Later can be strapped on to Eldrazi to give them haste and swing in for the kill.

Toxic Deluge and Decree of Pain: 2 boardwipes that synergize with the deck. Decree of Pain can draw a lot of cards for fuel. Toxic Deluge can be set high enough to wipe opponents creatures while leaving Kydele's Eldrazi on the board.

Beast Within, Sultai Charm, and Putrefy: Instant-speed flexible spot removal. This colour combination can take care of any permanent type.

Song of the Dryads and Imprisoned in the Moon : Flexible enchantments that can shut down permanents, including Commanders.

World Breaker, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, and Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre: Removal attached to massive beaters. They are also very flexible in what they can target.

Homeward Path: Some opponents may rudely try to steal Kydele's Eldrazi. This land brings them all back home to mama.

Kydele uses her ramp magic to summon large Eldrazi or giant X spells for the win.

Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre: a removal spell, indestructible, and annihilator 4 all wrapped into one scary beast.

Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger: Another terrifying indestructible beater. Also acts as card advantage with exiling 2 permanents when cast.

Kozilek, Butcher of Truth: keeps the card draw machine humming on a giant annihilator 4 body.

Emrakul, the Promised End: The biggest of the bunch, she is challenging to remove, comes with 2 types of evasion, and messes up an opponent's turn.

Artisan of Kozilek: Recursion on a giant beater with annihilator.

Bane of Bala Ged: A smaller Eldrazi that has pseudo-annihilator. His ability is actually somewhat better than annihilator since it exiles the permanents for good.

World Breaker: Versatile removal on a large body. He can bring himself back from the grave for even more removal.

Sire of Stagnation: This eldrazi can generate a lot of card advantage in just one turn around the table. Helps keep Kydele fueled.

Genesis Wave: a very fun win condition. It's easy to generate a ton of mana and put an absurd amount of permanents on to the battlefield. The deck has a high density of permanents by design so that this card hits a lot. This is the card that wins me the most games.

Villainous Wealth: Another fun X spell win condition. Why cast your own spells when you cast your opponent's?

Exsanguinate: a classic black finisher. This deck generates so much mana it's easy to drain people out with this.

Psychosis Crawler: easily a massive beater that can drain opponents for the kill.

Sakashima the Impostor : This clone works around the legendary rule by keeping her own name. Clone an Eldrazi titan for just 4 mana.

Concordant Crossroads: For some reason opponents keep on wanting to kill my Eldrazi before I can swing with them. Concordant Crossroads helps me go in for the alpha strike right away. Especially helpful when combined with a Genesis Wave.

Cyclonic Rift and Sol Ring: Both banned in my usual playgroup. You won't see them in any of my decks.

Labratory Maniac: Just my personal opinion but I find him to be a boring win condition.

Umbral Mantle and Staff of Domination: Similar to above, I find infinite combos make my decks more boring and linear. I tend to avoid them. Paradox Engine technically isn't infinite but it's close. It's on my watch list for cuts.

It That Betrays: if I'm spending 12 mana on an eldrazi, I want it to have a cast trigger like the titans. Too frequently this guy got killed before doing anything.

Kozilek, the Great Distortion: the deck draws so many cards that often the whole "draw up to 7" would result in me drawing no cards. The Counterspell ability is very powerful but this isn't really a control deck.

Countermagic: Plenty of my blue decks run countermagic. I wanted to challenge myself and include none in this deck.

Updates

Commit//Memory - - - > Diminishing Returns : I just love Diminishing Returns' lower CMC and the fact that it doesn't exile itself. The 10 cards milled hadn't been an issue for me in the past.

Chasm Skulker + Thassa, God of the Sea - - - >Song of the Dryads + Imprisoned in the Moon : The deck felt a little light on removal. Since Genesis Wave is a key win condition, I wanted the removal to be permanent based to keep the ratio of permanents up. Both of these enchantments are very flexible and can shut down decks centred on their commanders.

Prime Speaker Zegana - - - >Serum Visions : Zegana performed quite well but I just needed to bring the CMC of the deck down and include another cycling cantrip.

Comments

Abres_Tenelles says... #1

Like that you went for another theme!

It takes a little set-up but Illusionist's Bracers could be useful for copies of Kaseto's ability.

Nature's Will might be nice for mana tricks too.

April 19, 2017 8:14 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #2

Abres_Tenelles, thanks for the suggestion. I could see Nature's Will working well in here!

April 19, 2017 8:18 p.m.

Cephalid Constable is amazing, especially if you can buff it a little.

April 19, 2017 8:32 p.m.

Quietman988 says... #4

Lure of Prey, Green Sun's Zenith and Lurking Predators, as well as the hideaway lands can help you cheat in your big creatures. Also Chord of Calling is great because it's an instant.

April 20, 2017 2:21 p.m.

Velkaarn says... #5

Cool idea, I think I want to give this a spin later (note to self!) as I think I have most of the things you included. Have you fired a successful Genesis Wave out of this? I presently have only one copy and I struggle with decision where to actually employ it, results were surprisingly poor in an old Selesnya deck where I last used it.

April 23, 2017 11:20 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #6

Velkaarn, thanks for your interest in the deck. It's still in its development but it is a lot of fun to play.

Yes, Genesis Wave works great in here. This deck produces so much mana that I've been able to cast it for insane amounts and get a lot of value. I'd only suggest it in a deck that's 75% or more permanents so that you get a lot of value off it.

April 23, 2017 11:50 p.m.

Velkaarn says... #7

I think my main issue with the previous deck I used the wave in was too many X-cost creatures, those don't really mix well!

Alright, an actual suggestion came to mind from last game session with Eldrazi, Void Winnower frustrated my opponents a great deal and they spent a lot of energy and effort in trying to rid of it while ignoring other threats, so if you have one you might want to give it a try?

April 24, 2017 12:32 a.m.

RUST-O says... #8

This is super rad!!

Suggestions:World Breaker, Elder Deep-Fiend, Prime Speaker Zegana

April 24, 2017 8:40 a.m.

JaysomeDecks says... #9

Seedborn Muse, Awakening, and Training Grounds, have all proved to be complete game changers in my Thrasios & Kydele, Infinite Partners deck. The sheer number of times you can activate Thrasios's ability in a round with any of these cards is astounding. Awakening, unlike the Muse, is often allowed to resolve and stay in the field for a round, since your opponents think they will be able to benefit from it too. This quickly changes to an entire playgroup scrambling to remove it once they see just how much more it benefits you. And Training Grounds has proven to pay off far more than I'd expected. If you have 6 mana, you're activating Thrasios's ability 3 times instead of 1.

I linked my deck above. It's a combo version, so a lot of it isn't going to be along the lines you're looking, but if you're interested there are some good non-combo pieces in there.

Overall, very good deck. I love seeing these two actually partnered together.

April 24, 2017 8:43 a.m.

JaysomeDecks says... #10

I've found that Patron Wizard is also a fantastic card, since both your commanders are wizards. Plus, you can tap him and your commanders even with summoning sickness, due to the wording of the ability.

April 24, 2017 8:57 a.m.

JaysomeDecks says... #11

Sorry, I missed that you already had Training Grounds...

April 24, 2017 8:58 a.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #12

Velkaarn, I've thought about Void Winnower. Being on the receiving end of it before, I find him a little too "unfun" to play against. Certainly a powerful creature though.

RUST-O, glad you like. World Breaker is on my list of cards to get. Zegana I could also see going in here. With elder deep-fiend, I've had him in a different deck before and found him a bit too expensive for his effect even with the emerge cost. He is certainly on theme though.

JaysomeDecks, really like your infinite build. Looks deadly to play against. I only have one copy of Seedborn Muse and she is in my Rhys deck where I think she is more needed. I could see myself adding awakening though. Kydele and Thrasios would go bonkers with all that untapping.

For cuts, I see myself cutting trygon predator for world breaker. What other cuts should I make?

April 24, 2017 10:27 a.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #13

Quietman988, thanks for your card suggestions. I've thrown in Mosswort Bridge. I agree it's easy to trigger in here. I've put Lurking Predators into my maybelist. I love that card. It works great in my Xenagos: Zookeeper God deck. I just need to figure out what I'd cut for it in here.

My problem with Lure of Prey and Green Sun's Zenith is that they only work with Green creatures. The beaters I would want to cheat into play are mostly colourless Eldrazi.

Thanks for your help :)

April 24, 2017 4:47 p.m.

Bezter says... #14

New card from Amonkhet, Weaver of Currents would go great!

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April 25, 2017 11:01 a.m.

whatskraken says... #15

If you have the budget, Eye of Ugin, Eldrazi Temple, and Cavern of Souls are fun additions.

April 25, 2017 1:23 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #16

Lord.of.Innistrad, I've thrown in weaver of currents. Thanks for the suggestion

whatskraken, I've added eldrazi Temple to my list of cards to buy. Cavern of Souls is a little out of my budget.

April 27, 2017 11:24 p.m.

Diminishing Returns has a downside that is almost meaningless in most Commander games. +1 from me on a fun build.

April 28, 2017 2:37 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #18

VesuvanDoppelbanger, do you think Diminishing Returns is better than Time Reversal which is on my maybe list? It's one mana cheaper but requires me to exile 20 cards. Having a hard time deciding which i like better.

April 28, 2017 3:04 p.m.

Ask yourself, about how many cards are left in-deck when most of your games are over? If the answer is > 20, I don't think that will be an issue.

Oh, and Frantic Search would be a good one to throw in there. Who doesn't like free?

April 28, 2017 10:17 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #20

VesuvanDoppelbanger, you've convinced me on Diminishing Returns. Now I just don't know what to cut.

April 29, 2017 11:46 a.m.

bleepbloop23 says... #21

My favorite way to cheez out a eldrazi titan is definitely Counterlash. Deny them a creature AND get a free titan too. What's not to love?

May 2, 2017 4:19 p.m.

ThatEDMguy says... #22

I really like what this deck is doing! Have you thought about putting in Paradox Engine?

May 8, 2017 3:20 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #23

ThatEDMguy, thanks for the feedback. I've added Paradox Engine to the maybelist :) Always have difficulty deciding what to cut

May 8, 2017 7:38 p.m.

ERoss8 says... #24

You have From Beyond, so is there any reason why there is no Awakening Zone? Both do basically the same thing, only AZ is cheaper (3 CMC as apposed to FB's 4), and FB has a tutor ability. (and actual cost)

May 15, 2017 3:38 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #25

Hi ERoss8, thanks for the suggestion. I primarily have From Beyond in there for the tutor ability, not the tokens. Awakening Zone would only give me the tokens. It's a great card and I include it in one of my token decks. However, I don't think it fits so much in here. Thanks again :)

May 16, 2017 12:05 p.m.
May 22, 2017 8:07 p.m.

Fresh303 says... #27

This deck is sweet! I love the combination of card draw and ramp in the command zone. I would definitely replace Whelming Wave with Cyclonic Rift, you shouldn't have any problems getting to 7 mana and the card is so much more powerful. I would recommend replacing the Serum Visions with Sensei's Divining Top for the repeatable library manipulation. I know many people have said this before, but in multiplayer games, Seedborn Muse can get out of control when you are activating Thrasios, Triton Hero on every turn. I'm not sure Spellbook or Diminishing Returns are cards you necessarily want to be playing even though they have synergy because they both have major drawbacks. Budget allowing, you could replace those two with any of the following: Garruk Wildspeaker, Teferi, Temporal Archmage or Tezzeret the Seeker . All of them are individually powerful cards with ramp capability and additional synergy with other parts of your deck.

June 17, 2017 9:49 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #28

Hi Fresh303, thanks for the suggestions!

Only reason Cyclonic Rift isn't in here is because it's banned in my playgroup. You won't see it in any of my blue decks. Cards like Evacuation, Whelming Wave, Aetherize, and Aetherspouts are used in its place.

I see how Seedborn Muse would be great in here. My only copy of it is in my Rhys deck where I think it's more needed. It's kinda pricy so I don't want to buy a second copy.

Of your other suggestions, Teferi interests me the most! Untapping 4 permanents, including Kydele would be huge.

I'm curious what downsides you see with Spellbook and Diminishing Returns. The 10 cards exiled by Diminishing Returns is a small price to pay for a Timetwister effect. It powers Kydele really well. Spellbook I'll grant is fairly low impact. I just like being able to hold on to all the cards I draw. What are your thoughts?

June 18, 2017 2:34 p.m.

Fresh303 says... #29

MegaMatt13, the biggest downside I see with Diminishing Returns is exiling critical cards in your deck. You won't always hurt yourself that much, but there is always the chance you exile away the majority of your remaining win conditions. As a replacement, Frantic Search seems like a pretty good card, actually netting positive mana when Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix is in play and giving you some card selection. A more costly replacement but a great card for the deck would be Time Spiral as it removes the drawback and gives you the land untaps, making it a free spell. Similar to Search, with Kydele in play, this will net lots of mana. If you did use this as a substitute, you cast Spiral, get the Timetwister effect, untap six lands, then tap Kydele and some lands to cast an eldrazi you drew into.

The Spellbook from my point of view, takes up a slot and has very little to offer. The reason cards like Thought Vessel and Reliquary Tower are played and quite good at that is because they serve another purpose and come with an upside. You could really replace this with anything, but it's your deck so play what you enjoy.

June 18, 2017 6:07 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #30

You've definitely sold me on Frantic Search. It would be great in here.

Time Spiral I would do if it wasn't so expensive. Great card but a bit more than I'd like to spend on 1 card.

I'll keep an eye on Diminishing Returns. I havent encountered the problem of exiling away too many win conditions but I see how that could be a problem. Commit/Memory is on my short list of other time twister effects

June 19, 2017 10:38 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #31

Oh, dear god, this deck needs a Paradox Engine :D

June 25, 2017 2:15 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #32

Daedalus19876, great suggestion. I don't own a copy but I will look into picking one up.

June 25, 2017 3:21 p.m.

Have you considered Ikra Shidiqi, the Usurper instead of Silas Renn in the command zone? Unlike Silas, she actually does something; and if your big guys get through lategame with her out you can gain enough life to stay out of the reaches of your opponents' creatures.

June 26, 2017 9:22 a.m.

Also, how you don't have From Beyond in here absolutely baffles me.

June 26, 2017 9:26 a.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #35

ive-been-degaussed, I have thought about Ikra Shidiqi and may still swap her in if I can find one. The reason I decided on Silas Renn was due to his deathtouch and lower casting cost. In my playgroup sometimes you want a quick rattlesnake to dissuade early attacks. Ikra's life gain may be more valuable late game though as you say.

From Beyond was in an early version of this deck. I'm not sure it's necessary now that I have black though. For example, Diabolic Tutor lets me grab anything for 4 mana while From Beyond costs 6 (when you include activation cost) and can only tutor Eldrazi.

June 26, 2017 10:36 a.m.

Ruby_Rule says... #36

Might I suggest adding in Sylvan Library. This is an excellent green staple on it's own but it also works perfectly with Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix.

June 26, 2017 1:44 p.m.

MegaMatt13 One last thought before I go, but if you ever want to switch up color identity, consider going RUG and running Kraum, Ludevic's Opus instead of Silas. Red opens you up to:

Let me know what you think of this: I may try brewing up a list in my own time either way!

June 26, 2017 11:51 p.m.

But then again, just read your comments on why you chose black over red... so disregard this! :)

June 27, 2017 midnight

Lesparagus says... #39

How about Not of This World to protect your Eldrazi?

June 27, 2017 2:08 p.m.

Ruby_Rule says... #40

I would also like to suggest Staff of Domination. This card is a win condition on it's own with your commander. Silas Renn, Seeker Adept becomes incredibly useful here too, being able to recast Staff of Domination from your graveyard if it gets destroyed.

June 27, 2017 6:14 p.m.

NV_1980 says... #41

Great deck; looks a lot of fun to play. Would Elvish Piper be a nice addition? She's a great way to cheat your Eldrazi on the field. Also, since her ability is an instant-speed thing, you can use it after your opponents have declared attackers and surprise everyone with something scary. Othen than that, Bident of Thassa could be nice. Can't think of anything else; well done.

June 28, 2017 1:34 a.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #42

Lesparagus, That card is certainly on theme but I've decided to avoid counterspells on purpose in this deck. Other blue decks of mine run them but I wanted to try one without them :)

NV_1980, thanks for checking out the deck. Elvish Piper actually doesn't work too well with Eldrazi. Most of their abilities happen when casting them. Elvish Piper cheats them into play without casting them. I wouldn't get the permanent removal with Ulamog for example. I've thought of Bident of Thassa (and Edric, Spymaster of Trest. They are on theme . They may not draw enough cards at once though which is what I need. If they said "draw cards equal to the amount of combat damage", I'd be totally in.

Ruby_Rule, Staff of Domination is indeed powerful in this deck. However it goes infinite and I'm trying to avoid infinite combos. I know I have Paradox Engine but I don't have a way to go infinite with it. Trying to keep the deck somewhat casual. Thanks for the suggestion though! :)

June 28, 2017 2:35 p.m.

NV_1980 says... #43

Good point about the piper, hadn't thought of that. If drawing equal to damage is a thing for you, maybe Cold-Eyed Selkie would be suitable, however you have nothing to boost her strength with so I guess that option is out too.

June 28, 2017 2:59 p.m.

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This deck is Commander / EDH legal.

Cards 100
Avg. CMC 4.05
Tokens 3/3 Beast, 1/1 Squid
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