- 1x Aphetto Alchemist
- 1x Arcanis the Omnipotent
- 1x Artisan of Kozilek
- 1x Bane of Bala Ged
- 1x Chasm Skulker
- 1x Emrakul, the Promised End
- 1x Eternal Witness
- 1x Jace's Archivist
- 1x Kiora's Follower
- 1x Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
- 1x Kruphix, God of Horizons
- 1x Magus of the Jar
- 1x Notion Thief
- 1x Prime Speaker Zegana
- 1x Sakashima the Impostor
- 1x Sakura-Tribe Elder
- 1x Selvala, Heart of the Wilds
- 1x Sire of Stagnation
- 1x Thrasios, Triton Hero
- 1x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
- 1x Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
- 1x Vizier of Tumbling Sands
- 1x Whirlpool Rider
- 1x World Breaker
- 1x Cascading Cataracts
- 1x Command Tower
- 1x Drowned Catacomb
- 1x Exotic Orchard
- 1x Eye of Ugin
- 6x Forest
- 1x Hinterland Harbor
- 1x Homeward Path
- 8x Island
- 1x Llanowar Wastes
- 1x Opulent Palace
- 1x Reliquary Tower
- 1x Rogue's Passage
- 1x Sanctum of Ugin
- 1x Shrine of the Forsaken Gods
- 4x Swamp
- 1x Temple of Deceit
- 1x Temple of Malady
- 1x Temple of Mystery
- 1x Temple of the False God
- 1x Underground River
- 1x Woodland Cemetery
- 1x Yavimaya Coast
- 1x Cultivate
- 1x Decree of Pain
- 1x Diminishing Returns
- 1x Genesis Wave
- 1x Kodama's Reach
- 1x Ponder
- 1x Preordain
- 1x Rampant Growth
- 1x Recurring Insight
- 1x Rishkar's Expertise
- 1x Serum Visions
- 1x Time Reversal
- 1x Torment of Hailfire
- 1x Toxic Deluge
- 1x Urban Evolution
- 1x Villainous Wealth
- 1x Whispering Madness
- 1x Windfall
Like that you went for another theme!
It takes a little set-up but Illusionist's Bracers could be useful for copies of Kaseto's ability.
Nature's Will might be nice for mana tricks too.
April 19, 2017 8:14 p.m.
Abres_Tenelles, thanks for the suggestion. I could see Nature's Will working well in here!
April 19, 2017 8:18 p.m.
Cephalid Constable is amazing, especially if you can buff it a little.
April 19, 2017 8:32 p.m.
April 20, 2017 2:21 p.m.
Cool idea, I think I want to give this a spin later (note to self!) as I think I have most of the things you included. Have you fired a successful Genesis Wave out of this? I presently have only one copy and I struggle with decision where to actually employ it, results were surprisingly poor in an old Selesnya deck where I last used it.
April 23, 2017 11:20 p.m.
Velkaarn, thanks for your interest in the deck. It's still in its development but it is a lot of fun to play.
Yes, Genesis Wave works great in here. This deck produces so much mana that I've been able to cast it for insane amounts and get a lot of value. I'd only suggest it in a deck that's 75% or more permanents so that you get a lot of value off it.
April 23, 2017 11:50 p.m.
I think my main issue with the previous deck I used the wave in was too many X-cost creatures, those don't really mix well!
Alright, an actual suggestion came to mind from last game session with Eldrazi, Void Winnower frustrated my opponents a great deal and they spent a lot of energy and effort in trying to rid of it while ignoring other threats, so if you have one you might want to give it a try?
April 24, 2017 12:32 a.m.
April 24, 2017 8:40 a.m.
Seedborn Muse, Awakening, and Training Grounds, have all proved to be complete game changers in my Thrasios & Kydele, Infinite Partners deck. The sheer number of times you can activate Thrasios's ability in a round with any of these cards is astounding. Awakening, unlike the Muse, is often allowed to resolve and stay in the field for a round, since your opponents think they will be able to benefit from it too. This quickly changes to an entire playgroup scrambling to remove it once they see just how much more it benefits you. And Training Grounds has proven to pay off far more than I'd expected. If you have 6 mana, you're activating Thrasios's ability 3 times instead of 1.
I linked my deck above. It's a combo version, so a lot of it isn't going to be along the lines you're looking, but if you're interested there are some good non-combo pieces in there.
Overall, very good deck. I love seeing these two actually partnered together.
April 24, 2017 8:43 a.m.
I've found that Patron Wizard is also a fantastic card, since both your commanders are wizards. Plus, you can tap him and your commanders even with summoning sickness, due to the wording of the ability.
April 24, 2017 8:57 a.m.
Sorry, I missed that you already had Training Grounds...
April 24, 2017 8:58 a.m.
Velkaarn, I've thought about Void Winnower. Being on the receiving end of it before, I find him a little too "unfun" to play against. Certainly a powerful creature though.
RUST-O, glad you like. World Breaker is on my list of cards to get. Zegana I could also see going in here. With elder deep-fiend, I've had him in a different deck before and found him a bit too expensive for his effect even with the emerge cost. He is certainly on theme though.
JaysomeDecks, really like your infinite build. Looks deadly to play against. I only have one copy of Seedborn Muse and she is in my Rhys deck where I think she is more needed. I could see myself adding awakening though. Kydele and Thrasios would go bonkers with all that untapping.
For cuts, I see myself cutting trygon predator for world breaker. What other cuts should I make?
April 24, 2017 10:27 a.m.
Quietman988, thanks for your card suggestions. I've thrown in Mosswort Bridge. I agree it's easy to trigger in here. I've put Lurking Predators into my maybelist. I love that card. It works great in my Xenagos: Zookeeper God deck. I just need to figure out what I'd cut for it in here.
Thanks for your help :)
April 24, 2017 4:47 p.m.
New card from Amonkhet, Weaver of Currents would go great!
April 25, 2017 11:01 a.m.
April 25, 2017 1:23 p.m.
Lord.of.Innistrad, I've thrown in weaver of currents. Thanks for the suggestion
whatskraken, I've added eldrazi Temple to my list of cards to buy. Cavern of Souls is a little out of my budget.
April 27, 2017 11:24 p.m.
Diminishing Returns has a downside that is almost meaningless in most Commander games. +1 from me on a fun build.
April 28, 2017 2:37 p.m.
VesuvanDoppelbanger, do you think Diminishing Returns is better than Time Reversal which is on my maybe list? It's one mana cheaper but requires me to exile 20 cards. Having a hard time deciding which i like better.
April 28, 2017 3:04 p.m.
Ask yourself, about how many cards are left in-deck when most of your games are over? If the answer is > 20, I don't think that will be an issue.
Oh, and Frantic Search would be a good one to throw in there. Who doesn't like free?
April 28, 2017 10:17 p.m.
VesuvanDoppelbanger, you've convinced me on Diminishing Returns. Now I just don't know what to cut.
April 29, 2017 11:46 a.m.
My favorite way to cheez out a eldrazi titan is definitely Counterlash. Deny them a creature AND get a free titan too. What's not to love?
May 2, 2017 4:19 p.m.
I really like what this deck is doing! Have you thought about putting in Paradox Engine?
May 8, 2017 3:20 p.m.
ThatEDMguy, thanks for the feedback. I've added Paradox Engine to the maybelist :) Always have difficulty deciding what to cut
May 8, 2017 7:38 p.m.
You have From Beyond, so is there any reason why there is no Awakening Zone? Both do basically the same thing, only AZ is cheaper (3 CMC as apposed to FB's 4), and FB has a tutor ability. (and actual cost)
May 15, 2017 3:38 p.m.
Hi ERoss8, thanks for the suggestion. I primarily have From Beyond in there for the tutor ability, not the tokens. Awakening Zone would only give me the tokens. It's a great card and I include it in one of my token decks. However, I don't think it fits so much in here. Thanks again :)
May 16, 2017 12:05 p.m.
May 22, 2017 8:07 p.m.
This deck is sweet! I love the combination of card draw and ramp in the command zone. I would definitely replace Whelming Wave with Cyclonic Rift, you shouldn't have any problems getting to 7 mana and the card is so much more powerful. I would recommend replacing the Serum Visions with Sensei's Divining Top for the repeatable library manipulation. I know many people have said this before, but in multiplayer games, Seedborn Muse can get out of control when you are activating Thrasios, Triton Hero on every turn. I'm not sure Spellbook or Diminishing Returns are cards you necessarily want to be playing even though they have synergy because they both have major drawbacks. Budget allowing, you could replace those two with any of the following: Garruk Wildspeaker, Teferi, Temporal Archmage or Tezzeret the Seeker . All of them are individually powerful cards with ramp capability and additional synergy with other parts of your deck.
June 17, 2017 9:49 p.m.
Hi Fresh303, thanks for the suggestions!
Only reason Cyclonic Rift isn't in here is because it's banned in my playgroup. You won't see it in any of my blue decks. Cards like Evacuation, Whelming Wave, Aetherize, and Aetherspouts are used in its place.
I see how Seedborn Muse would be great in here. My only copy of it is in my Rhys deck where I think it's more needed. It's kinda pricy so I don't want to buy a second copy.
Of your other suggestions, Teferi interests me the most! Untapping 4 permanents, including Kydele would be huge.
I'm curious what downsides you see with Spellbook and Diminishing Returns. The 10 cards exiled by Diminishing Returns is a small price to pay for a Timetwister effect. It powers Kydele really well. Spellbook I'll grant is fairly low impact. I just like being able to hold on to all the cards I draw. What are your thoughts?
June 18, 2017 2:34 p.m.
MegaMatt13, the biggest downside I see with Diminishing Returns is exiling critical cards in your deck. You won't always hurt yourself that much, but there is always the chance you exile away the majority of your remaining win conditions. As a replacement, Frantic Search seems like a pretty good card, actually netting positive mana when Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix is in play and giving you some card selection. A more costly replacement but a great card for the deck would be Time Spiral as it removes the drawback and gives you the land untaps, making it a free spell. Similar to Search, with Kydele in play, this will net lots of mana. If you did use this as a substitute, you cast Spiral, get the Timetwister effect, untap six lands, then tap Kydele and some lands to cast an eldrazi you drew into.
The Spellbook from my point of view, takes up a slot and has very little to offer. The reason cards like Thought Vessel and Reliquary Tower are played and quite good at that is because they serve another purpose and come with an upside. You could really replace this with anything, but it's your deck so play what you enjoy.
June 18, 2017 6:07 p.m.
You've definitely sold me on Frantic Search. It would be great in here.
Time Spiral I would do if it wasn't so expensive. Great card but a bit more than I'd like to spend on 1 card.
I'll keep an eye on Diminishing Returns. I havent encountered the problem of exiling away too many win conditions but I see how that could be a problem. Commit/Memory is on my short list of other time twister effects
June 19, 2017 10:38 a.m.
Daedalus19876, great suggestion. I don't own a copy but I will look into picking one up.
June 25, 2017 3:21 p.m.
Have you considered Ikra Shidiqi, the Usurper instead of Silas Renn in the command zone? Unlike Silas, she actually does something; and if your big guys get through lategame with her out you can gain enough life to stay out of the reaches of your opponents' creatures.
June 26, 2017 9:22 a.m.
Also, how you don't have From Beyond in here absolutely baffles me.
June 26, 2017 9:26 a.m.
ive-been-degaussed, I have thought about Ikra Shidiqi and may still swap her in if I can find one. The reason I decided on Silas Renn was due to his deathtouch and lower casting cost. In my playgroup sometimes you want a quick rattlesnake to dissuade early attacks. Ikra's life gain may be more valuable late game though as you say.
From Beyond was in an early version of this deck. I'm not sure it's necessary now that I have black though. For example, Diabolic Tutor lets me grab anything for 4 mana while From Beyond costs 6 (when you include activation cost) and can only tutor Eldrazi.
June 26, 2017 10:36 a.m.
June 26, 2017 1:44 p.m.
- Arjun, the Shifting Flame and Mindmoil
- Shaman of the Great Hunt
- Animar, Soul of Elements
- Temur Ascendancy
- Wheel of Fortune, Reforge the Soul, and all of the other red wheel effects
- Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
- Fireball-esque effects to pump Kydele's mana into
Let me know what you think of this: I may try brewing up a list in my own time either way!
June 26, 2017 11:51 p.m.
But then again, just read your comments on why you chose black over red... so disregard this! :)
June 27, 2017 midnight
I would also like to suggest Staff of Domination. This card is a win condition on it's own with your commander. Silas Renn, Seeker Adept becomes incredibly useful here too, being able to recast Staff of Domination from your graveyard if it gets destroyed.
June 27, 2017 6:14 p.m.
Great deck; looks a lot of fun to play. Would Elvish Piper be a nice addition? She's a great way to cheat your Eldrazi on the field. Also, since her ability is an instant-speed thing, you can use it after your opponents have declared attackers and surprise everyone with something scary. Othen than that, Bident of Thassa could be nice. Can't think of anything else; well done.
June 28, 2017 1:34 a.m.
Lesparagus, That card is certainly on theme but I've decided to avoid counterspells on purpose in this deck. Other blue decks of mine run them but I wanted to try one without them :)
NV_1980, thanks for checking out the deck. Elvish Piper actually doesn't work too well with Eldrazi. Most of their abilities happen when casting them. Elvish Piper cheats them into play without casting them. I wouldn't get the permanent removal with Ulamog for example. I've thought of Bident of Thassa (and Edric, Spymaster of Trest. They are on theme . They may not draw enough cards at once though which is what I need. If they said "draw cards equal to the amount of combat damage", I'd be totally in.
Ruby_Rule, Staff of Domination is indeed powerful in this deck. However it goes infinite and I'm trying to avoid infinite combos. I know I have Paradox Engine but I don't have a way to go infinite with it. Trying to keep the deck somewhat casual. Thanks for the suggestion though! :)
June 28, 2017 2:35 p.m.
Good point about the piper, hadn't thought of that. If drawing equal to damage is a thing for you, maybe Cold-Eyed Selkie would be suitable, however you have nothing to boost her strength with so I guess that option is out too.
June 28, 2017 2:59 p.m.
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