- 1x Ancient Tomb
- 1x Barren Moor
- 1x Bayou
- 1x Bazaar of Baghdad
- 1x Bloodstained Mire
- 1x Cabal Pit
- 1x Cavern of Souls
- 1x City of Brass
- 1x City of Traitors
- 1x Command Beacon
- 1x Command Tower
- 1x Dakmor Salvage
- 1x Dryad Arbor
- 2x Forest
- 1x Gaea's Cradle
- 1x Gemstone Caverns
- 1x Lake of the Dead
- 1x Llanowar Wastes
- 1x Mana Confluence
- 1x Marsh Flats
- 1x Misty Rainforest
- 1x Overgrown Tomb
- 1x Petrified Field
- 1x Phyrexian Tower
- 1x Polluted Delta
- 1x Polluted Mire
- 1x Rath's Edge
- 1x Strip Mine
- 2x Swamp
- 1x Twilight Mire
- 1x Verdant Catacombs
- 1x Windswept Heath
- 1x Wooded Foothills
- 1x Woodland Cemetery
- 1x Arbor Elf
- 1x Birds of Paradise
- 1x Dark Confidant
- 1x Deathrite Shaman
- 1x Elves of Deep Shadow
- 1x Elvish Mystic
- 1x Elvish Spirit Guide
- 1x Fyndhorn Elves
- 1x Golgari Grave-Troll
- 1x Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
- 1x Llanowar Elves
- 1x Lotus Cobra
- 1x Priest of Titania
- 1x Putrid Imp
- 1x Ramunap Excavator
- 1x Riftsweeper
- 1x Skirge Familiar
- 1x Sylvan Safekeeper
- 1x Wild Mongrel
- 1x Demonic Tutor
- 1x Diabolic Intent
- 1x Duress
- 1x Gaea's Blessing
- 1x Green Sun's Zenith
- 1x Imperial Seal
- 1x Life from the Loam
- 1x Praetor's Grasp
- 1x Sylvan Scrying
- 1x Thoughtseize
- 1x Toxic Deluge
- 1x Abrupt Decay
- 1x Ad Nauseam
- 1x Autumn's Veil
- 1x Beast Within
- 1x Cabal Ritual
- 1x Crop Rotation
- 1x Culling the Weak
- 1x Dark Ritual
- 1x Entomb
- 1x Nature's Claim
- 1x Noxious Revival
- 1x Rain of Filth
- 1x Slaughter Pact
- 1x Summoner's Pact
- 1x Vampiric Tutor
- 1x Worldly Tutor
Sunscorched Desert is the instant speed wincon. You loop it into and out of play infinitely using Crop Rotation. I will be adding a primer for the wincons soon that will describe how all the combos work.
April 24, 2017 1:43 p.m.
Damn my brain hurts :D :D . Maybe I will proxy some of the cards just to get the interactions. Seems like Gitrog is not the way I want to win :D although it is super amazing
May 10, 2017 4:38 a.m.
AlexoBn Haha, yeah. It takes some practice and a lot of thinking, but it is super satisfying when you get the hang of it, and people are pretty surprised when you kill them with a land that does 1 damage. Or exile their entire library face-down.
May 10, 2017 6:34 p.m.
Have you considered adding Krosan Grip? You can make your combo uncounterable when using Skirge Familiar because mana abilities don't use the stack and the rest works then too. When you have infinite mana the rest should be easy
May 11, 2017 1:24 a.m.
AlexoBn That is definitely an interesting interaction, and worth considering, but the things people usually answer/counter are Gitrog herself or the discard outlet. After you have those there is usually very little people can do to stop you, but this does stop most of those few things. The main thing I don't like is the manacost. You usually do not have an extra three mana to spend on a defensive spell like that. I cut Dosan and City of Solitude for the same reason. Krosan Grip definitely has other utility as well, so it may be worth it.
May 11, 2017 2:59 a.m.
Hey man I also play a variation of TGM and ive put a significant amount of time into the deck as i see you having done. My build is different on a few fundimental points. I opted not to run the 1 drop mana dorks and cradle but instead focus on more of an artifact ramp base to accelerate into a t2 TGM more consistantly, as far as my win cons ive tried to keep them simple. i wen with tendrils of agony because few cards really stop tendrils, and at the point where youre drawing your deck storming off is really easy to do with lotus petal cylcing through hand to graveyard to library again. im running both of the shuffle effects you are as well. i win 90% of the games i play, and this isnt for lack of a competitive meta. Against stax players my build seems far superior due to only needing 1-2 critters on the board at maximum to combo off. i really think your build is interesting but youre overcomplicating it far more than it needs to be. i also dont really understand the purpose of necromancy in this light either i think you could free up both your land base and your spell slots if you just went the artifact build with things such as basalt monilith and mesmeric orb combo to get you started. With all the space building the way i have has given me ive found that i can run significantly more disruption for the cards that try to tell me no, leading for more consistent gameplay.
May 17, 2017 7:49 p.m.
ThePrawnfessor: I'm glad you found my list, and I would love to see yours. The one on your profile looks like it hasn't been updated in four months and doesn't have either of the monoliths. I am curious what changes you have made from the existing list because it seems to be slow and clunky. I'll reserve my judgement until you send me your updated list. My only reservation is that with an artifact focused ramp package the deck becomes much weaker to Null Rod and co. which seems like a bad idea when the decks main combo is inherently weak to Cursed Totem. Forcing that reliance on a single type of ramp will definitely hold you back. The goal of my list is to utilize the best ramp of all types to make sure I am not overly affected by any one hate piece. The other issue with using the more mana intensive artifacts is that Ad Nauseam becomes even harder to use effectively. I am excited to see where you have taken the list.
May 18, 2017 3:10 p.m.
kiebitzen yeah i havent posted an updated list in quit a while. also null rod has yet to have a splash in my competitive community so i can see the relevance of that arugment. ill try to getan update list within the next 2 days or so if you want to compare.
May 18, 2017 8:45 p.m.
so i just uploaded the new and improved list of TGM as i am currently playing it. it feels very consistant, and as i stated before wins the majority of the games i play with it. feel free to take a peek when you get the chance
May 18, 2017 9:21 p.m.
I mean to be fair Species of frogs can change their gender at will so who are you to assume?!
May 20, 2017 4:15 p.m.
solarPULSAR: I refer to her as female because I choose to, I don't believe she has a "canon" gender. Though Prawnfessor is right, some frogs change their gender as needed to balance the population. Also, the female frog is usually larger than the male, and while we don't have any comparison, The Gitrog Monster is certainly a larger frog.
ThePrawnfessor: I took a look at your deck and playtested it a bunch. It seems pretty dependent on getting the early fastmana. Games where I had t1 Mana Crypt or Vault or Exploration tended to goldfish at a good speed, but often I found myself with a bunch of slow cards stuck in my hand, ramping to the win around t5/6. While this is obviously not a bad deck, and always was able to get there pretty quickly, it definitely felt slower to not have all the other ramp sources. I am curious to see how it would perform in the cockatrice meta, I think it might have issues with the t3/4 4c combo lists as it has little interaction and can only race that about half the time. It may just be the particular way I like to play frog, but I think the strongest approach, since we lack blue and stax is to be as fast as possible. I'll leave a comment on your list later with some comments on my experience with specific cards when goldfishing (to be taken with a grain of salt).
May 20, 2017 6:11 p.m.
for sure man i appreciate the constructive criticism as well. im very unfamiliar with the meta on cockatrice.
May 25, 2017 10:01 p.m.
If you wouldn't mind, I've also built a competitive combo Gitrog Deck, but instead have focused all of my resources into guranteeing an Exsanguinate/Faith of the Devoted win. Give it a quick look! I'd love to see what you think of it, since you clearly have explored every nuance of The Gitrog Monster in you extensive playtime. Thanks and Upvoted!
July 9, 2017 11:20 p.m.
This Gitrog deck seems awesome! I'd love to give it a try some time! +1
July 11, 2017 9:58 p.m.
TheBeans: I took a look at your list and left a comment. Thanks for the upvote and I am glad you like the deck!
ancientskull: It is by far my favorite deck, I am glad you like it! :) Thanks for the upvote.
July 11, 2017 10:14 p.m.
Not exactly going for budget here are we, but I love the deck and for the sake of your wallet I hope you haven't built this IRL
July 22, 2017 11 p.m.
Pygmyrhino990 the deck is for cEDH so budget was probably not an option but pure power was. The cEDH community is also pretty open minded regarding the use of proxies (because all that matters is your skill and your deckbuilding - although there are primers for budget decks too)
July 23, 2017 6:09 a.m.
Plus you can get to lower price by just replacing the editions (beta and alpha duals are of course expensive af but revised will reduce the price a lot... same for city of brass.. still noch cheap though)
July 23, 2017 6:10 a.m.
Have you calculated what the cost would be with the cheapest versions of the cards. I'm somewhat interested in making this deck if it can become cheaper
July 23, 2017 8:02 a.m.
Pygmyrhino990: I have built this irl, only missing a few cards, though I do have FBB cards instead of the beta versions. As AlexoBn said, this is designed to be an optimized competitive deck, so card price is not factored into deckbuilding decisions. I threw together a version of the deck with the same list but with the cheapest version of each card which cut the deck price in half: Frog but with ugly printings to save money. I also have a version of the list I made with the restriction of no cards that cost over 15$ if that interests you as well: He's Just a Frog on a Budget. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions!
July 23, 2017 6:49 p.m.
Have you considered Drownyard Temple at all? I run it with the land outlets, Helldozer is a funny one by the way, and Bitter Ordeal to exile decks or with Retreat to Hagra for infinite life drain/kill. I also am currently running Last Laugh for the same thing.
I mean, even if they counter Laugh/hagra/etc, I can just redraw them unless they have been exiled and that just requires a single green to resolve with Riftsweeper.
August 6, 2017 3:39 a.m.
DudelRok: Thanks for taking time to look at my deck, I am always open to new suggestions. I'll talk a bit about each of the cards you recommended for the list.
Drownyard Temple is useful but there is no need for it in the deck. It can give you value in grindy games, but this is a fast combo deck so a colorless land that doesn't ramp you and isn't part of the combo is not worth it.
Helldozer is about as casual a card as they come. Anything over 3 cmc has to be game winning or a combo piece to be worth including in the deck. Definitely not worth it.
Bitter Ordeal is a decent wincon for the deck. Due to the nature of the combo though, we only need a single sorcery speed wincon and I think Praetor's Grasp is the best card for the slot. It has the most utility outside of the combo and can randomly mise games against certain focused combo decks (like other Gitrog decks). You could definitely run Bitter Ordeal instead, but you probably don't want both.
Retreat to Hagra is a terrible card and not a strong wincon. This style of card does nothing to help the combo and is completely unnecessary to win once the combo is going. Because the combo draws your entire deck, you don't need much wincon redundancy and there is no need to run wincons that are not good on their own.
Last Laugh see Retreat to Hagra
Realms Uncharted is a card that has seen play in the deck before. It is a decent tutor for Dakmor Salvage but it costs 3 mana. It is nice that it is an instant, but I have found that there is no need to be running any of the 3 drop tutors (except Praetor's Grasp which is a wincon). In the more midrange version of the deck this card is a powerhouse. It is by no means a bad card, I may even put it in the maybeboard so people know it is worth considering.
August 7, 2017 3:58 a.m.
I think I'd still prefer Bitter Ordeal, though, to Grasp 'cause Bitter costs one, as well as always hitting more cards than Grasp.
The lack of Realms was weird to me, though. I kinda get why you don't run it... ish. My meta isn't aggressive enough to need to win the second Get Good hits play.
Also: I didn't say Helldozer was good, I said it was fun. XD
August 7, 2017 7:46 p.m.
DudelRok: Ahh, well that is a different problem entirely. If you don't have Elvish Spirit Guide/Riftsweeper/Necromancy/Culling the Weak or Crop Rotation/(Twilight Mire or Gaea's Cradle) to make infinite green, the best wincons are Geth's Verdict or Ebony Charm. You want something that has utility other than its function as a wincon.
Drownyard works as well, but requires you to run other cards you would rather not run. The cost of Bitter Ordeal is definitely better and the card is decent, but you don't get to play the cards you exile, so it doesn't let you grab Pact of Negation or something else to protect your combo (or tutor for it).
Yeah, definitely a meta call. My list is tuned for speed above all else, but any list a little slower would likely want Realms.
Also: I didn't say Helldozer was bad, I said it was casual. :P
August 10, 2017 3:24 a.m.
Love the primer. I've learned a lot about comboing with the frog. My only question was why you use gaea's blessing instead of the second eldrazi titan. A pretty common move in my meta is to wait for my first titan to hit the graveyard and then attempt to exile it. In response I keeping dredging and hit the next titan so that the exile doesn't matter. I'm assuming you do the same thing with the blessing, but why take the chance of drawing it and being dead in the water!? Great guide!
August 16, 2017 11:19 a.m.
Something to note, you can also produce 'infinite' green at instant speed (though ONLY instant speed/end step) with Lotus Cobra, Necromancy, Dryad Arbor, and Culling the Weak and 'infinite' black mana. Discard Cobra, then Necromancy Cobra. Go to cleanup and sac the Necromancy. With the Necromancy sac trigger on the stack, proceed to reanimate and sac Arbor for one green mana.
August 18, 2017 11 p.m.
August 18, 2017 11:14 p.m.
Zyxan: You are right about that being the purpose of having Gaea's Blessing in the list. As far as using another Eldrazi, merrowMania is right about Ad Nauseam being the main consideration. The other goal is to minimize the number of dead cards in the deck. Since rarely have enough mana to cast the titans, it is better to have the Gaea's Blessing, even if it is just a bad cantrip. Also sometimes you can mise value against reanimator strategies that are slow-rolling their combo. (Buried Alive pass. Feels really bad when we get to follow up with Gaea's Blessing lol)
August 22, 2017 1:59 p.m.
Go for it! More knowledge for the collective that is HypnoToad!
August 22, 2017 6:06 p.m.
Just realized I forgot to give context to the loop. I went through this explanation several times, trying to write everything at once. It culminated in my giving up on explaining how to do it with Skirge Familiar still in play. Any part of my explanation that contains Skirge Familiar is basically superfluous, but I will leave it so you have the option of making it look pretty if you want to add it for when Oblivion Crown is exiled.......this kind of explaining is why I hate writing primers...reading what I have written, trying to make exceptions for Skirge Familiar makes the setup read terribly...
You MUST (technically not, but you need 1 green mana in order to use Skirge Familiar) create your 'infinite' black mana by looping Dark Ritual/Cabal Ritual with your discard outlet. It is possible to perform this loop with Skirge Familiar, but you need to have a green mana as part of the startup cost (Elvish Spirit Guide does work). It is much easier to simply change the discard outlet with Oblivion Crown and loop rituals, since you will not need any green mana. If you used Skirge Familiar and are trying an end step kill, you must have used Necromancy already (otherwise you would be doing a sorcery speed kill because this kill requires using Necromancy twice (if you have access to two green mana, you can Nature's Claim the Necromancy twice to get it off the Familiar and on and off the Cobra so you can use it repeatedly on the Dryad Arbor)). It is not necessary since you can just change your discard outlet to Gitrog or a third creature with Oblivion Crown. Then you can go to cleanup, spend Green to Nature's Claim Necromancy, or cast Culling the Weak saccing Skirge Familiar (casting Oblivion Crown is mandatory for this line if you do not have another discard outlet) to get Necromancy back in hand. If you use the cleanup method to remove Necromancy, you must have a backup discard outlet or a green mana to cast Nature's Claim on the Lotus Cobra Necromancy. Regardless of your method, you must make sure to have 'infinite' black mana. Loop rituals into 'infinite' black mana again or use Skirge Familiar if applicable. Proceed to draw deck/graveyard with your discard outlet.
(Black and generic costs will be ignored for rest of explanation due to 'infinite' black mana)
Discard Lotus Cobra. Reanimate Lotus Cobra with Necromancy. If you have one green mana, cast Nature's Claim on Necromancy and continue in response to the sac trigger.
Step 1: Draw deck/graveyard.
2: Discard Dryad Arbor.
3: Reanimate it with Necromancy.
4: Landfall trigger from Cobra to produce one green.
5: Sac Dryad Arbor to Culling the Weak.
6: Return to Step 1.
August 23, 2017 12:47 a.m.
AAAAAAND my perfectionist nature kicked in. The following is a clean(er) version of the loop without Skirge Familiar:
You MUST create your 'infinite' black mana by looping Dark Ritual/Cabal Ritual with your discard outlet. If you made mana with a Skirge Familiar reanimated by Necromancy, cast Oblivion Crown on The Gitrog Monster or a third creature. Then you can go to cleanup (aka use Necromancy's own ability to sac itself), spend one green mana to Nature's Claim Necromancy, or cast Culling the Weak saccing Skirge Familiar to get Necromancy back in hand. Regardless of your method, you must make sure to have 'infinite' black mana. Loop rituals into 'infinite' black mana again or use Skirge Familiar if applicable. Proceed to draw deck/graveyard with your discard outlet.
(Black and generic costs will be ignored for rest of explanation due to 'infinite' black mana)
Discard Lotus Cobra. Reanimate Lotus Cobra with Necromancy. If you have one green mana, you may cast Nature's Claim on Necromancy and continue in response to the sac trigger. Otherwise, go to cleanup to make Necromancy sac itself and proceed to combo off in response to the trigger to sac Lotus Cobra.
Step 1: Draw deck/graveyard.
Step 2: Discard Dryad Arbor.
Step 3: Reanimate it with Necromancy.
Step 4: Landfall trigger from Lotus Cobra to produce one green.
Step 5: Sac Dryad Arbor to Culling the Weak.
Step 6: Return to Step 1.
August 23, 2017 12:58 a.m.
Ramunap Excavator might be a good value add, so you have a fallback if someone exiles that Crucible of Worlds. ;) I see a ton of other ways to reclaim your lands in this deck, but it's still a cheap card, one that is guaranteed to cost more as time passes.
October 11, 2017 12:44 a.m.
kozad I have actually cut Crucible from my paper version of the list because the way I play it is pretty combo focused, but in a meta where I needed to have that late game value grind power I would absolutely run both. I think if I add the Crucible effect back into my paper list I might actually just run Ramunap instead because it is much more tutorable for those games where I do actually need it. Double green makes it a tough call, but usually you are less tight on colored mana when going for Crucible-based lines of play rather than fast combo lines.
October 11, 2017 1:14 p.m.
Great list and write-up. I'm putting together a Gitrog-land-combo deck and this is one of my best resources.One thing I noticed. Your infinite mana with Lion's Eye Diamond has to have 3 cards in your library to work. You can't dredge Dakmor with an empty library.
November 1, 2017 11:27 a.m.
MRB_Alters: Thank you very much. Good catch with the LED loop, I'll have to come up with a new clean way to do the loop and update it.
The_Squirrel: Thanks! I appreciate it.
November 8, 2017 4:23 p.m.
November 28, 2017 3:30 p.m.
November 28, 2017 3:31 p.m.
DJ_Danny_G: ETB Tapped. They just aren't worth the cost of not being able to use them right away. The deck is so fast, you need to wring every last big of mana out of it every turn and especially the early colored sources (lands). They aren't terrible, just not effective for the way I play the deck.
November 28, 2017 4:16 p.m.
Love the deck, I used the combo lines to greatly improve my own Gitrog deck.
Just wondering if Vigor or Dread would be better than Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, it seems like he would never be cast unless you somehow had a huge amount of mana but no combo or cards in hand, I think shaving off 4 life from an Ad Nauseam would be worth it compared to this edge case.
December 1, 2017 12:26 p.m.
Verbatiam Unfortunately Vigor and Dread only shuffle themselves back into the library whereas we need to shuffle our whole graveyard into the library. Otherwise you would be absolutely correct. Im just waiting for them to print a mana positive rock with Kozileks shuffle trigger.
December 4, 2017 11:07 p.m.
When going for the sorcery speed win, after generating infinite black mana, what is your reasoning for playing Praetor's Grasp over Exsanguinate? I have been using Exsanguinate and have not seen a reason to switch.Thanks!
December 8, 2017 2:18 p.m.
December 8, 2017 2:52 p.m.
@kiebitzen Oh wow, I can't believe I missed that, thank you for saving me $20 :P
December 11, 2017 3:56 a.m.
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