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Tester deck that will likely undergo several changes as the meta adjusts. Trying out UR control in Ixalan, simply because I was playing UR Control prior to rotation and want to see if it's still viable, and if not I sure as hell am going to try to make it so.

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Thank you all for the suggestions! Even if I don't take your suggestions in consideration, it is always helpful to make me second guess my choices, or to hear a different opinion so long as you give me a reason behind your suggestions :)

I also played quite a few games on MTGO, and while I don't feel confident enough to enter any leagues, the changes sure helped make the deck win a few more games than it did on my first draft; so let's talk about a couple of the changes shall we?

1) First off I want to point out that just because I included Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh it does not mean this is going to becomea Grixis deck. It is staying a UR Control deck, it's just that the mana simply allows me to cast a card that requires 1 black mana. Does that mean I might consider including one or two black cards in the SB? Maybe, but not likely.

2) I have thought about using Dragonskull Summit and Drowned Catacomb as alternatives to their cycle counterparts, but I don't think they work as well in this deck. I just need to generate a single black source and more often than not Aether Hub can do that for me, which then allows me to just cycle out the lands at a point in the game where they would be dead draws.

3) I really like Opt, it is an amazing early fixer, and not something completely terrible to top deck into; however, I am starting to feel like this is much MUCH better suited for either a tempo deck, or a three/four color deck that need help with hitting all the right lands early on. In this deck I feel like going back to Censor is a much better idea.

4) Last but not least, I might have overdone it with 3 mainboard copies of Sweltering Suns, and I might just cut back to 2 in the main.

Deck still has plenty of room for improvement, so as always all feedback is very much appreciated!

Comments

Dr_Jay says... #1

What do you do if they cast Carnage Tyrant?

October 2, 2017 8:54 p.m.

The_Riddlebox says... #2

Dr_Jay

That is my one major problem with just running UR, as opposed to Jeskai or Grixis. I want to try to make UR work before I give up on it.

I was looking into running a sort of UR burn with D6navolt Tower and such and essentially just try to win before that dino kicks my ass. There are a couple of mass bounces that would hit it, but are not very good cards overall. There is always Star of Extinction too, but not sure if it's worth running.

Any suggestions?

October 3, 2017 2:21 a.m.

Bloodwater Entity isn't too bad to bring back things you made need. Up Commit / Memory to 4 copies to deal with the tyrant. Buys you a few turns and by that late in the game a winner is probably decided anyway.

October 3, 2017 7:31 a.m.

I have been playing UR Control for a while, so I'm happy that people are still trying it.

How has Chandra been working out for you? I haven't tried it, and I don't know when I would play it. It seems awkward with counterspells.

Highland Lake is in standard as another dual land. It's not great, but it could help make the mana better.

You could try Vizier of Many Faces as an answer to Carnage Tyrant. Since it doesn't target, it can copy Carnage Tyrant, so they end up brickwalling each other.

October 3, 2017 1:22 p.m.

Also, what about Opt?

October 3, 2017 1:23 p.m.

OminousRex says... #6

Have you tried testing with Primal Amulet? I was thinking about trying UR using that card and having more burn that also hits players (Lightning Strike, Open Fire, Inferno Jet).

October 3, 2017 4:08 p.m.

The_Riddlebox says... #7

Hyperalgialysis

I am not a huge fan of Bloodwater Entity. That card seems much better in temp/blitz decks that are more aggressive and proactive with their spells. Decks that run cantrips, or things like Unsummon and Brute Strength. In a reactive deck like this it's not a big threat and the fact that it puts the card at the top of my library instead of in my hand is too slow imo.

Commit / Memory is a card I like, and right now is in the maybe-board. I really should sneak it in the deck, maybe 1 copy in the main and another or two into the SB. Not sure I want to run a full play-set though. I want to see how often I see Carnage Tyrant or even how often I lose to it, before I decide to use a playset or cut stuff from the deck right now.

Illuminaty_confirmed

Glad to see another UR player :)

Chandra is....alright. Usually, the best scenario with her is to blow up something the turn she comes down, and then you start using her +1 and wittle your opponent down as you dig through your deck. I have been going back and forth between having her in the main and the side. Prior to rotation, when UR saw some decent play for a bit Chandra was being played in either SB and MB (guess either personal preference or meta call) and it seemed like she worked fine. I can't say I am exactly impressed by her, but she can work fine enough at times.

Honestly forgot that Highland Lake was printed in Amonkhet. I don't think I need more dual lands at the moment, the few games I have played so far I haven't felt like I had issues fixing my mana to be honest. I really don't like the thought of lands coming into played tapped as well. What I do need to do is rework the ration of Mountains and Islands. Good to know there is another dual land if I need it though, completely forgot about it hehe.

Also, good catch on Vizier of Many Faces. I might have to try it out as a possible answer Carnage Tyrant.

Opt is something I had originally thought about when revising the deck, but I ended up cutting out. It is a good card in a tempo deck where you have to be as mana efficient as possible, but in a reactive deck like this where I can leave mana open and am looking at the long game to cast big things like Torrential Gearhulk I have space for better draw spells. I would consider Hieroglyphic Illumination before I consider Opt.

OminousRex

I considered primal amulet a lot, but I don't think It would work in this deck, as you mention it would be much better in a more burn oriented deck. It might be a very solid UR alternative to be honest, as Dynavolt Tower can still be present a decent win-con I would think. I was actually thinking of making two different UR decks: this and a burn version. I think if Fevered Visions was still legal in Standard I would probably have went the burn route.

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Thank you all for the suggestions! Will need to play a few more games and see more of the meta before I make any changes as of yet, but all of your suggestions have been noted!

October 3, 2017 5:16 p.m.

x12721 says... #8

I'm gonna be honest, UR control is all but dead now, thanks especially to that Carnage Tyrant. My best solution is to go Grixis control for access to Lost Legacy, Lay Bare the Heart, etc. With Abrades floating everywhere, the Tower is all but useless now. If you want, you should check out my deck. It plays pretty well even against Naya Dinos. Torment From the God-Pharaoh

October 3, 2017 6:01 p.m.

KraKra21 says... #9

I would put a playset of Abrade mainboard. Artifact/creature removal for just 2 mana. I would swap out a Censor and a Harnessed Lightning for the 2 Abrades.

October 3, 2017 6:25 p.m.

The_Riddlebox says... #10

Shadow12721

Thanks for the suggestion; but while I am well aware that pretty much any other control variant is better than UR, I want to give it a solid shot and see how it goes. I love UR and it has always been a fun color combination for me, if it does flop I will likely be going UB or Esper over Grixis simply because I enjoy them more. Carnage Tyrant is really the only Achille's Heel of UR control, so if I can survive I can do pretty well against most other decks. I have yet to go up against a Tyrant on MTGO, but so far I have won against Grixis Control, Esper Tokens, Temur Energy, Jund Energy, and some odd Grixis Cycle oriented deck.

I also did take a look at your deck, looks pretty solid. Only think I don't like is the land count as I always want to see at least 26 lands in a control deck, but I guess that's just personal choice.

KraKra21

I am perfectly happy with 2 Abrade in the main and 2 in the side. When it comes to creature removal, which is what Abrade is primarely going to be used for, Harnessed Lightning is just better. Which is why I prefer to have 2 copies of Abrade in the SB, rather than having a full playset in the main. Thanks for the suggestion though :)

October 3, 2017 7:02 p.m.

ROUROU says... #11

Only card, that you could use against a Carnage Tyrant, is River's Rebuke . You should check it up :) nice deck , +1

October 4, 2017 12:54 a.m.

The_Riddlebox says... #12

ROUROU

Glad you appreciate the deck!

As far as Carnage Tyrant goes, while River's Rebuke is a temporary answer it doesn't buy me enough time as it will come down the next turn. There are a few answers to Tyrant as well. A better temporary solution, for example, is Commit / Memory. There is also Vizier of Many Faces, as another user mentioned, that simply gives me my own Tyrant to have as a blocker.

As far as red spells go, I could always test out Combustible Gearhulk. Not only as a secondary win condition but it is an awesome blocker against Tyrant. Oh, and Star of Extinction is always a thing too if I get desperate :)

October 4, 2017 4:17 a.m.

ouch.nicekick says... #13

Essence Scatter is very well positioned and I would run them main board over Negate or maybe even Disallow. I would also run Opt over Censor; I love getting that Censor value, but it is just too easy to play around now. Another card to consider is Search for Azcanta, but I wouldn't play more than 2. I don't know how strict you are on the UR, but I would splash black for Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh over Chandra, Torch of Defiance. I played UR before rotation also, but I had 1 Bolas in the main along with a single Fetid Pools and Canyon Slough. I never had an issue getting that single black mana when I wanted to slam Bolas. If you want it strictly UR, then I think Kefnet the Mindful is also a better wincon than Chandra. The Vizier of Many Faces idea is very interesting and worth a try.

Personally, I don't think a strict UR build is viable anymore, but I commend you for trying! I am moving on to Grixis, which may just become more of a UB build anyway. We'll have to wait and see how the new meta develops.

October 5, 2017 4:54 a.m.

The_Riddlebox says... #14

ouch.nicekick

Greatly appreciate the comment!

I did overlook Essence Scatter and while main-board Negate has worked very well so far, I can see how it might work better in the side-board.

I did consider Opt at first and ended up deciding against it. My thought on Censor has always been that even if my opponent plays around it the card still did it's job as I am forcing my opponent to play a turn behind, so to speak. Although, not sure how much of an impact it has on the end result.

Chandra, Torch of Defiance has been doing very well so far, and surprisingly I have gotten her -7 off more often than I would have thought. I will be honest, I have thought of including Bolas as a 1 of because of how easy it is to cast thanks to Aether Hub. I have also been wanting to squeeze in Kefnet as he is much easier to get online than some people think.

I went into UR Control fully aware that it wouldn't work too well and that I might have to go Grixis, UB, or UW, and to be honest it might come to that soon. I am going to definitely try out your suggestions on MTGO, see how they wotk, and update the deck accordingly.

October 5, 2017 5:28 a.m.

LastOfGaia says... #15

Here is my U/R Control list, just in case like you feel you've missed something:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ur-control-post-rotation-1/

And don't worry, I feel the struggle. I've been testing U/R for an upcoming PPTQ, and hopefully I can fix the kinks out of the deck before then.

October 14, 2017 1:31 a.m.

The_Riddlebox says... #16

LastOfGaia

Thanks for sharing your deck. I looked over, and more or less we are running a very similar deck. Always nice to see and compare your own deck with those who are running a similar, yet slightly different version.

Yeah UR is definitely the underdog when it comes to control this rotation, but I wish you luck at the PPTQ!

October 16, 2017 6:05 p.m.

Lilo says... #17

i dont play very much standard these days and definitely not competitively but when I do I play grixis control for Harsh Scrutiny and Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh but that's really only cause of my meta.Anyways nice deck +1!

October 16, 2017 8:19 p.m.

LastOfGaia says... #18

Thanks for the good wishes! I get the appeal of U/B Control, but I feel like red has slightly better removal options and of course Whirler Virtuoso is just an amazing sideboard card.

October 16, 2017 8:36 p.m.

The_Riddlebox says... #19

Lilo

Glad you like the deck! Yeah hand disruption is definitely a reason to play black in a control deck, always a very powerful tool!

LastOfGaia

I wouldn't say red has better removal over black right now since Fatal Push alone is a reason to run black. Also, black offers hand disruption, which allows you to not worry with hard to deal-with threats and rip answers to your win-cons from their hand. UB also has The Scarab God which is an absurdly good card.

Red does have really good tools obviously, Harnessed Lightning being one of the best removals in standard, and we a decent selection of board-wipes as well. I should try out Whirler Virtuoso, such a troll card against aggro.

October 16, 2017 9:19 p.m.

I realize it is competing with Abradefor its spot but Lightning Strike is really good too as is Shock. Just wondering if you had tinkered with them as options instead of Magma Spray and Abrade. 2 can hit the face and the other 2 have great versatility so I cant really say for sure which would be better. If you do decide to run a black card in the side my vote is 3 Torment of Scarabs since the card is so annoying, and puts the oppponent on a less than favorable clock

October 17, 2017 4:43 a.m.

Argy says... #21

Here's a Pro built Control deck, if you wanted to see what ideas they have.

Ixalan U/R Control

Hour of Devastation won't deal with Carnage Tyrant, which you need to in the current meta.

River's Rebuke may help, because it gives a massive tempo swing.

October 17, 2017 11:24 a.m.

The_Riddlebox says... #22

Hyperalgialysis

I have thought about Shock and Lightning Strike, but I think they are almost better suited for a straight up burn deck rather than control; although, they can be used to finish off walkers as well as closing out the game. Out of the two I think Lightning Strike is the most playable of the two.

Argy

Thanks for the link. I checked the deck out, and read the article as well. I can't say that I feel too strongly about some of the decisions made in the deck, but while I don't think I will make any immediate changes it is giving me a few things to try out and test.

Everyone keeps bringing up Carnage Tyrant yet out of all the games I have played on MTGO, which is as of right now the only place I am playing this deck, I have yet to go up against a single copy. I know it's a huge Achilles's Heel for me and I should maybe be better prepared for it, but until I start to see it at least 3 out of every 10 games, I don't think I will worry too much about it for now. I am aware Hour of Devastation is not an answer to Tyrant, but I might cut it down to 1 copy, not because it doesn't answer Tyrant but because I hardly find myself bringing it in. I will throw River's Rebuke in the maybe board, I am not too sold on a 6cmc Sorcery that doesn't "permanently" answer the board, now if it was an Instant things would be different. I wonder if for 1 more mana Star of Extinction might do a better job.

Your comment, as well as links, did give me a lot to think about though so it is very appreciated!

October 17, 2017 5:46 p.m.

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This deck is Standard legal.

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Revision 5 (5 days ago)

+3 Opt main
+1 Canyon Slough main
+2 Search for Azcanta  Flip main
-1 Mountain main
-1 Island main
-2 Chandra, Torch of Defiance main
-4 Censor main
+1 Fetid Pools main
-2 Negate main
+2 Essence Scatter main
+1 Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh main
-3 Glorybringer side
+2 Kefnet the Mindful side
+1 Vizier of Many Faces side
+1 Negate side
-1 Disallow side
-2 Kefnet the Mindful maybe
-2 Search for Azcanta  Flip maybe
-2 The Locust God maybe

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