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In Defense of the Foggy Mills

Standard G/U (Simic) GWU (Bant) Mill TurboFog



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This is a renewal of my Draw-Mill deck from the last standard block. This time with a completely different direction. Defense/Mill.

Axebane Guardian is in for Manaramp/Fixing and Powered-up X mills.

Doorkeeper is the main wincon. Get Defenders on the field and mill.

Jace, Memory Adept Fits well into the mill plan. Mills for 10 the first turn and with all of the defenders he will likely take over the game

Tamiyo, the Moon Sage Gives us Card Draw and allows us to tap down giant creatures.

Cackling Counterpart Is to make Druid's Deliverance a bit better. Plus it's very versatile. i can get one of my opponents large threats, or i can copy an axebane guardian/doorkeeper for more mill/mana.


Rest in Peace stops every graveyard deck

Detention Sphere Will be great against tokens

Pithing Needle Good against enemy PWs and annoying artifacts etc.

Witchbane Orb My only defense against burn unless i put in Palisade Giant

Negate can be swapped out for something. But it can be good against some things.

The rest of the deck is fairly self-explanatory. Get my defenders out and mill away.



BatmanUriah says... #1

Just F. your I., Cackling Counterpart only works on your creatures (or creatures you control, anyway).

I like the idea, but what happened to Mind Sculpt ?

I'll have to look into this further during my down time tomorrow. =D

September 25, 2012 1:45 a.m.

heuertag says... #2

I would start with -2 Moonmist +2 Terrifying Presence

September 25, 2012 10:36 a.m.

heuertag says... #3

Also, with Axebane Guardian 's ramp, you could probably make pretty good use of Sands of Delirium .

September 25, 2012 10:37 a.m.

Talashar says... #4

I actually missed Terrifying presence. That's better against RG because of huntmasters etc.

September 25, 2012 5:24 p.m.

theichibun says... #5

Can you imagine 8 Fog Bank s though? That would suck.

But yeah, if you're going for mill I'd try to work some Mind Sculpt in there.

September 25, 2012 8:12 p.m.

Talashar says... #6

I thought about putting Mind Sculpt in. But it just seemed like it didnt do "enough" yeah it mills for 7. which is quite a bit. But every other mill card in here does something else. From recycling my library. to we.. being jace. Even Increasing Confusion is an x spell that i get to use twice.

September 25, 2012 8:27 p.m.

AP77 says... #7

card:Jace's Phantasm

October 2, 2012 5:43 p.m.

Talashar says... #8

Jace's Phantasm isnt really the direction i am going in this deck. It is a respectable WinCon but it isnt as good as any of the cards i already have. It is possible i would sideboard it though.

October 2, 2012 5:58 p.m.

Crash308 says... #9

-2 Psychic Spiral +2 Mind Sculpt you could use a little more early game millin, i would even consider -2 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage for an additional +2 Mind Sculpt The mana you would spend on Tamiyo should be being used to mill

October 2, 2012 10:01 p.m.

Talashar says... #10

Psychic Spiral is intended as graveyard recycle as well as milling. used to get my fogs back as well as my defenders that die. Mind sculpt is a really good card but it only mills. It may be the case that i do need to replace Tamiyo. But i dont think Mind Sculpt would be a good replacement for her.

October 2, 2012 10:29 p.m.

of course its a good replacement for her, everyone's trying to tell you, that any time you would play tamiyo, you would be a hundred times better off playing the mind sculpt, tamiyo is huge on mana and doesnt do what your trying to do, whereas mindsculpt is cheap, you can play more than one at a time, and it does exactly what you are trying to do, so it is an excellent replacement for her, the point of posting a deck to get help with it is to listen to the help that is offered

October 3, 2012 7:22 a.m.

and negate should be Syncopate axebane guardian makes it far better for you

October 3, 2012 7:23 a.m.

or alternatively, why not trade in tamiyo for Angelic Wall if you are still opposed to mind sculpt

October 3, 2012 7:25 a.m.

UaWPaW says... #14

I like the style of this deck

October 3, 2012 9:48 a.m.

Talashar says... #15


I'm not trying to ignore what people are telling me. I've just played games (Not with this deck mind you, with the original one) where Tamiyo has saved my butt. Again i have mentioned that until i playtest with her i have no idea how powerful she is in this deck. I should be getting most of the cards for this deck fairly soon.

I appreciate every bit of feedback get on this deck and i do take it all into consideration. I didnt even think about using Syncopate. that's an awesome idea.

October 3, 2012 5:24 p.m.

BatmanUriah says... #16

"any time you would play tamiyo, you would be a hundred times better off playing the mind sculpt" - Really?

I can think of quite a few situations where I'd much rather play Tamiyo, and either tap something down, or draw some cards. You can use her abilities every turn, and with defenders already in play she becomes much more of a threat than a single Mind Sculpt .

The deck needs to be play-tested to see how it works out, but don't try to force someone to take your advice just because they posted their deck.

October 3, 2012 5:31 p.m.

PvtCaboose434 says... #17

Galvanic Alchemist with Axebane Guardian and enough defenders can generate infinite mana.

October 3, 2012 6:06 p.m.

Talashar says... #18

Interesting Caboose. I'll keep that in mind. I don't have many ways to abuse infinite mana in this deck though.

October 3, 2012 6:07 p.m.

PvtCaboose434 says... #19

You could go up to 4 Increasing Confusion or use Sands of Delirium

October 3, 2012 6:10 p.m.

Talashar says... #20

Hmm. that is true. I'll look into it when i start playtesting. It's very easily disruptable though

October 3, 2012 6:13 p.m.

PvtCaboose434 says... #21

Just a thought, like the deck though. Mill is fun.

October 3, 2012 6:16 p.m.

Talashar says... #22

Thanks man! I can't wait to get it built and make people's days miserable :D

October 3, 2012 6:19 p.m.

Ryan2222 says... #23

I like the direction of this deck, but I would consider putting in Otherworld Atlas . I play a mill deck as well and this little card has come in very handy. If you have no move you can make but some counters on it, you can draw some cards and usually will help you out. Plus it in a way mills the other players deck.

October 8, 2012 1:22 p.m.

Alvarus94 says... #24

I agree with ryan for the simple reason that without the draw, you will have a lot of games where you don't see enough fog, and die because of it. Whilst tamiyo may help you out in some of these situations, she won't in enough. The atlas gives you the opportunity to hit those fogs.

October 8, 2012 6:12 p.m.

Alvarus94 says... #25

I agree with ryan for the simple reason that without the draw, you will have a lot of games where you don't see enough fog, and die because of it. Whilst tamiyo may help you out in some of these situations, she won't in enough. The atlas gives you the opportunity to hit those fogs.

October 8, 2012 6:12 p.m.

Talashar says... #26

Otherworld atlas wouldn't be terrible. But the issue with it is it lets the opponent draw cards as well. Usually that isn't an issue with a fog deck. But if i am up against burn or something extremely aggressive. the extra cards for them might be too much for me to handle.

October 8, 2012 6:42 p.m.

DNsLight says... #27

4x Galvanic Alchemist and you can make infinite mana.

October 9, 2012 6:35 p.m.

moldsack says... #28

I dont think Palisade Giant is worth splashing a 3rd color for...

October 9, 2012 6:38 p.m.

Talashar says... #29

I like Palisade Giant in here because it's defense against burn as well as allowing my defenders to block without dying. It's theoretically a fog effect at least for one turn

October 9, 2012 7:01 p.m.

Zadkiel says... #30

I don't see a lot of answers to your deck against other planeswalkers. Your white splash should be used to get some Oblivion Ring , not Palisade Giant .

Also, Terrifying Presence is probably the worst fog because if they happen to kill the creature you target with it, the spell will fizzle and you will take all the damage. I think Clinging Mists fits better even if it cost one more to cast.

Like some people have already said before me, you should try to put some Otherworld Atlas . Your opponent will be able to draw cards, yes, but more importantly you will draw your fog effects and the card you need to deck him out. Also , making him draw on his turn after you milled him can make him lose the game. Otherworld Atlas is really a viable option.

Oh, and fuck Rest in Peace ! This card make me lose games so often, it's not even funny, but sadly it does not synergize well with tamiyo utlimate. It's a really good card on it's own, but keep in mind that it will probably hurt you too. You should keep it, definitely, it's just that I hate it.

Nice deck overall, +1.

October 11, 2012 midnight

Zadkiel says... #31

Oh, and also keep in mind that if you splash white, you have access to the almighty Safe Passage . Sooooo good.

October 11, 2012 12:02 a.m.

Talashar says... #32

Thank you for all of the advice Zadkiel!

I'm going to try to start putting this deck together this week (I should be able to get my box of RtR)

It's kinda a tossup between clinging mists and terrifying presence. Otherworld atlas may indeed have a home. But it is very slow draw. I'll definitely keep it in mind while i'm testing.

Oblivion ring is quite a good idea and for some reason i thought it rotated out. I'll have to see if i can get a couple in.

October 11, 2012 5:36 p.m.

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This deck is Standard legal.

Cards 60
Avg. CMC 2.68
Tokens Tamiyo, */* Generic
Folders bhjbj, Amazing, RtR Maybe, Mill ideas, favorite, OPP - Mill
Top rank #35 on 2012-10-09
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