UmbrotheUmbreon says... #2
Yes, I only now realized that the Cathedral of War s I planned to put in are not exactly a part of the deck >.<
Any other advice, thoughts or suggestions?
August 16, 2012 11:56 p.m.
Wolfir Silverheart is pretty annoying to see hit the board. 12 power, for 5 mana, is pretty intense in any kind of format.
August 17, 2012 12:06 a.m.
DarthTrevyn says... #4
I may suggest a Doubling Chant or Elderscale Wurm ... perhaps both?
August 17, 2012 12:43 a.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #6
@DarthTrevyn, Bonerbiter, and crazzled1: All good suggestions :)
@DarthTrevyn: I originally planned for Elderscale Wurm to be in the deck. However, when I was adding in lands to make 22, I removed two of them. What should I remove to bring back the 2 Elderscale Wurm s?
@crazzled1: Wolfir Silverheart is good, but I'm not sure how I would work it into the deck.
@Bonerbiter: Yes, I agree :) However, what should I remove for a couple of them?
August 17, 2012 8:36 a.m.
DarthTrevyn says... #7
I would recommend -1 Increasing Savagery and -1 Garruk, Primal Hunter (unless you are REALLY set on trying to pull them) then +2 Elderscale Wurm s.
I don't know if you are trying to keep this deck in post rotation or not... But if it was me I might even -2 Vorapede for +2 Dungrove Elder s or even +2 Primeval Titan s just an idea or 2 is all. :D
August 17, 2012 12:06 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #8
The Savageries and Garruks I DEFINITELY wanna end up drawing into early, but not too early which is why they were both set to 3 each. I was thinking cut back a Strangleroot Geist and a Deadly Recluse . Would that be good?
Yes, I do wanna keep it post rotation, esp now that RTR is starting to get it's first spoilings. Thanks for the suggestions though :3
August 17, 2012 1:27 p.m.
DarthTrevyn says... #9
That wouldn't be too bad of a switch! I think it'll work, just play test it a bit and see if you like it :D
August 17, 2012 1:43 p.m.
I would suggest some Sheltering Word s somewhere (sideboard maybe?).
They are excellent for restoring life lost early game if you started slow and being effectively a counter against targeted removal.
August 17, 2012 5:22 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #12
Yes, I will most likely end up sideboarding them. However, I'm not looknig to perfect the sideboard jsut yet. First, I wanna get the main deck done.
August 17, 2012 6:08 p.m.
your deck is really brutal.
Have you thought about Rancor ?
August 20, 2012 9:07 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #15
Haha thanks xD
Well of course I have! nothing says evil like Predator Ooze and Rancor :D The problem is, what to remove for 3 of them ._.
August 20, 2012 9:30 p.m.
cooknathan says... #16
I like it with two exceptions, card:Yeva, Nature's Herald is great dont get me wrong she is one of the stars in my Momir edh deck but I dont think she is really doing you any favors here. She is usually best when you have mana spare and instants, during your opponents end step if you didnt need to spend your mana, its not wasted as you can flash in a creature. If your usung it as a flash blocker then Ambush Viper is probably better. You are only running a few instants and are more likely to play them on your turn anyway.
Which brings me to Titanic Growth , id drop it for Rancor . Rancor is just too brutal to not be in here it causes such massive problems for your opponent.
The only other thoughts are that Thragtusk > Vorapede in my personal oppinion and perhaps Thrun, the Last Troll sideboard vs control but you may not need it considereing garruk and the ooze.
+1 I like it a lot.
August 20, 2012 11:04 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #17
First off I'd like to thank you for taking the time to look at it, appreciate it, and +1 it :)
Okay about Yeva. I added her/him because I like to have open mana during my turn. If I drop Predator Ooze on their turn, then that poses a huge problem for them as it can swing immediately. It also opens up the sorcery stuff as well as Garruk so that I may play those during my turn without having to sacrifice playing a creature.
Titanic Growth was mainly there against burn decks and to get a quick kill on something, whether it be from the Ooze for another counter or on Primordial Hydra to make it more threatening. Rancor right now, is only good on my Predator Ooze . Actually I should word it as, the BEST card for it to be used on. Primordial Hydra gains trample with 10+ counters, Elderscale already has it, as does Vorapede . HOWEVER! I do think that is a good strategy to try, so I may do some test playing with that.
Finally, the Thragtusk . I wish I could, but I'm pretty sure they'd jack up the price of the deck pretty heavily. I mean, Thragtusk has to be worth way more than Vorapede . Also, I will be sideboarding Sheltering Word so if I indeed do need some life, I'll gain a hell of a lot more than 5. Garruk can give me a lot more than a SINGLE 3/3 Beast token, as well as a lot of 6/6 Wurm tokens for his ultimate. So in the end, I can do better than Thragtusk . Just takes a bit more work. Also, Vigilance and Undying. Kill it once, here it comes much stronger now :)
One last thing. post rotation, so Thrun is out. Thanks again for your input :)
August 20, 2012 11:23 p.m.
JaredMatthewsArtwork says... #18
Garruk is bad in standard. he's too slow and clunky. Garruk Relentless Flip is much better in many ways. He provides tutoring, tokens, and removal. Your almost never going to play elderscale wurm effectively because you don't have ramp and it comes really late. I would def. put Thragtusk in. I really don't like Primordial Hydra or Vorapede either. Vorapede is just decent and thats about it, and ull find if you take hydra into a competitive environment like an fnm its extremely ineffective because it takes til turn 7 without savagery for it to get trample, it will get chump blocked so easily, and then once it does get trample the game is either already over or they immediately doom blade it or vapor snag it or something to that effect. You might want to put Ulvenwald Tracker in there as well.
August 21, 2012 4:54 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #19
Well Garruk, Primal Hunter was more of a draw engine than anything else. I can pop him right away and draw cards to help me out and get a full hand again. However, on the off chance I can use him as he truly was meant for, then I will. I mean, a turn 4 8/6 trampling Young Wolf is pretty nasty.
I love both cards. 5/4 Vigilance, trample, AND Undying? Yes please. I owuld love to see someone use either of those cards on it, cause then I'll call "Illegal deck" :D This deck is post rotation :) Primordial Hydra is amazing cause it's a threat that must be taken care of quickly. As for control decks, that is why I will be sideboarding Sheltering Word . Also, one word says it all. Rancor . There's your early trample.
I do agree that Ulvenwald Tracker should be in the deck. It is a great fight card and is a one drop. What do you suggest I remove? I will probably remove Elderscale Wurm , as it hasn't done much justice in testplaying. Most the time it is a dead draw.
August 21, 2012 7 p.m.
bxromeo8586 says... #20
I think you are fine with Garruk, Primal Hunter . Yes,Garruk Relentless Flip is also good, but I see what you are doing. I think Garruk Relentless Flip is better in a green with any other color deck. Check out the mono greens I use (one currently used and the other for after the new cycle):
deck:romeo-smash
deck:green-with-pure-envy
August 24, 2012 1:26 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #21
I understand that he may be a good card, Garruk Relentless Flip , but I don't usually run planeswalkers, and Garruk, Primal Hunter was thrown in mostly for draw power.
Well, if you have any other thoughts or comments on this deck let me know :) Will check out yours when I have time.
August 24, 2012 1:32 p.m.
The_Darkhorse says... #22
im confused as to what Yeva is doing there... ya flash is fun but doesn't really fit with the deck, and will be removed as fast as you can say hello.
August 26, 2012 5:31 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #23
"It also opens up the sorcery stuff as well as Garruk so that I may play those during my turn without having to sacrifice playing a creature."
This is what I said to the last person who questioned why Yeva was in the deck.
August 26, 2012 6:20 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #25
Meaning, if I can play creatures during their turn, it opens up a chance to use the sorceries/enchantments/planeswalkers during my turn. I play Predator Ooze during your turn, then Increasing Savagery on my turn, targeting my Ooze and then follow it up with Rancor , you're gonna have a major problem on your hands.
Demarge says... #1
Needs more land, having 23-24 total forests are preferable.
August 16, 2012 11:50 p.m.