Any chance i could get you to explain the win-con? :)
March 19, 2013 11:23 p.m.
cestdesconneries: ramp to 4 mana (one of which is black) and play a Balustrade Spy / Undercity Informer which will mill the entire deck (no lands). 4x Narcomoeba will enter the battlefield, sac 3 to flashback Dread Return on Angel of Glory's Rise which will trigger the reanimation of Labratory Maniac and Snapcaster Mage (flashback Gitaxian Probe on yourself) triggering the alternate win-con on the maniac.
je parle francais, et ton 'username' est tres amusant ;)
March 19, 2013 11:29 p.m.
Merci!!! XD Je ne parle pas francais tres bien ' deux ans en france classe. You're the FIRST person to notice what my name means, i was beginning to think it was the wrong translation :) That's great!!!
But if you get Milled Out, i thought that killed you immediately? Or is it generally assumed that you loose because you would have to draw as soon as the turn ends?
March 19, 2013 11:43 p.m.
moi aussi, je suis en francais un. Google Translate is your friend :)
No, I won't lose because the angel brings back Labratory Maniac which means that I win.
March 19, 2013 11:46 p.m.
So you don't loose when you get milled out? Just when drawing? That's pretty Legit, and i thought a 2-Land Belcher deck was crazy...
I love the taboo-ness of this haha. Did you come up with it??? I haven't seen this deck before, and I'm addicted to combos..
Google Translate got me through High School!!! Haha. How sad is that?
March 20, 2013 12:01 a.m.
Interesting on paper, boring in practice, you realise eventually, no one is going to play against you.
March 21, 2013 6:42 a.m.
March 21, 2013 9:53 a.m.
Is Grinding Return a good name or is it too long and unwieldy? Glory's Return?
March 22, 2013 1:23 a.m.
SpammyV: umm, those seem odd, I want something ridiculous or punny or crazy, (and deck help of course)
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T1 Win 42%
March 22, 2013 1:26 a.m.
nice combo but this isn't new it was played in a starcitygames open a few weeks back and even had a deck tech for it. They decided to use Azami, Lady of Scrolls as an additional win con. that might be something to consider as well the deck tech can be found here for more references.
March 22, 2013 1:29 a.m.
Impressive. Actually. Nice. I normally really hate solitaire decks, but...this is pretty slick.
March 22, 2013 11:49 a.m.
I would consider removing 1 probe, and adding 1-2 more snapcaster.... If they have a counter and didn't use it on the creature to prevent the milling, they can still stop the probe... 2-3 Snapcasters entering play = 2-3 probes they have to stop.
.... and as I'm typing this, I realize that they can simply counter the Dread Return.
Which BTW, ended up in a nearly perfect opening hand twice when testing... meaning that it wasn't in the GY after milling the deck... perhaps 2 of these would be a good idea?
March 22, 2013 12:57 p.m.
Wait, isn't this a copy of All Spells, Zero Lands, Turn One Win: BOOM?
March 23, 2013 7:26 p.m.
So... is this more or less consistent than Spanish Inquisition and why?
March 24, 2013 1:29 a.m.
How about a 4-of Biovisionary to reanimate, first turn four of Biovisionary FTW!
March 25, 2013 3:50 p.m.
YOu lose the turn you have to draw and can't. If the maniac is out, you win. Also, how do you ramp to 4 mana and play Baulstrade with no lands?
March 28, 2013 10:03 p.m.
March 28, 2013 11:24 p.m.
TrumpetsforKings this deck works a lot like Belcher, if you have access to YouTube, you should check out some videos.
Land in this deck would slow it down, and most likely just kill your combo worse than Ethersworn Canonist . The idea is to Combo out using mana-ramp spells (first of which is basically free to play) ( Simian Spirit Guide , Elvish Spirit Guide , Chrome Mox , Lotus Petal ) and then you use those to play other mana ramps, like a Lotus Petal to play Dark Ritual , then exile a Simian Spirit Guide or Elvish Spirit Guide , and you just got the 4 mana required to play one of the win conditions.
March 28, 2013 11:30 p.m.
buffy is right, this is basically, no it is an unknown legacy combo deck called Breakfast Burrito. A flashier way to win is to use The Mimeoplasm + Lord of Extinction + Triskelion . Less moving parts and its more fulfilling.
April 4, 2013 11:23 a.m.
April 4, 2013 11:30 a.m.
jminute14: Indeed, that combo is cooler but is a 3-carder and therefore is less consistent (albeit by a small percentage), but kudos to that person for being creative. And the biovisionary idea :) +1.
mtg_deckmaster: It was originally called the "unknown combo" in an article, and yes there is another derivation with a different combo.
April 4, 2013 8:07 p.m.
April 4, 2013 8:23 p.m.
Had lots of fun playtesting against each other.
April 17, 2013 10:17 p.m.
The main problem I see with this deck is that if you don't get the turn 1 win combo, you're pretty much screwed. You should do something about that. I don't know what.
April 17, 2013 10:23 p.m.
April 17, 2013 10:34 p.m.
April 17, 2013 10:39 p.m.
Well, it looks fun, but Manamorphose doesn't actually get you anywhere. You need to swap it out for some actual ramp.
April 17, 2013 10:42 p.m.
Also, you need to find a way to discard Angel of Glory's Rise , Snapcaster Mage , and Laboratory Maniac if they're in your hand, or put in more than just one copy of each. I'd recommend finding a way to discard them, possibly a card that has you discard a card as the flashback cost.
April 17, 2013 10:49 p.m.
But what if two of the 3 cards are in your hand? You can only sacrifice one Narcomoeba before you don't have enough for the flashback cost of Dread Return . Plus, Dread Return can end up in your hand.
April 18, 2013 3:58 p.m.
That's why there needs to be a way to discard your own cards easier.Depending on a mulligan is just bad strategy.
April 18, 2013 11 p.m.
Adding Lotus blooms would make this more consistent, but slower of course. Could maybe have them in sideboard, if the deck you're against doesn't have disruption.
April 20, 2013 9:22 p.m.
I like this deck quite a bit. However, I question the 42% turn 1 win rate. I've playtested about 4 or 5 times and only got the t1 win once.
Overall, cool idea. +1!
June 16, 2013 3:41 p.m.
I think that you should switch the Goblin Charbelcher version to mainboard and this to sideboard.
- -1 Angel of Glory's Rise
- -1 Laboratory Maniac
- -1 Dread Return
- -1 Snapcaster Mage
- -4 Narcomoeba
- -4 Balustrade Spy
- -4 Undercity Informer
- -2 Cabal Therapy
These are the cards that would work well:
June 16, 2013 4:33 p.m.
June 16, 2013 4:34 p.m.
Very cool deck; however, I have been running into problems where I have one or two of the key cards stuck in my hand and cannot win, have you? If so, maybe consider running a singleton Phantasmagorian or similar free discard that works from your graveyard in order to avoid this. Overall, though, this is awesome, +1
June 27, 2013 1:45 p.m.
Most of the time you won't get one of your combo pieces in your hand: if you do, flashback Cabal Therapy , if you get 2 you're screwed. That should be very rare, however.
There is a version I have seen using 2 Bridge from Below and 3 Narcomoeba . That way, you can sac one Narcomoeba to flashback Cabal Therapy (on yourself and/or your opponent) and get an extra creature.
Nigrescence: 1. Gitaxian Probe isn't the wincon cantrip, Azami, Lady of Scrolls is.2. Cantrips help a deck like this because they essentially make it smaller, which is a good thing.3. You can't have red rituals in here since you need to produce black for Undercity Informer and Balustrade Spy . Manamorphose will let you get black.
September 11, 2013 6:11 p.m.
What happens if you have 2 or more Narcomoeba s in your opening hand? Do you mulligan?
November 12, 2013 11:38 a.m.
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This deck is not Legacy legal.Highlight illegal cards
|Illegal cards||Pact of Negation , Wild Cantor , Summoner's Pact , Manamorphose , Simian Spirit Guide , Undercity Informer , Lotus Petal , Laboratory Maniac , Street Wraith , Narcomoeba|
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|Top rank||#9 on 2013-04-02|