So personally I'm hesitant to make any suggestions before knowing why you have certain cards in your build, or also what it is about the Death's Shadow decks that you are having trouble playing against.
Such as why do you have some of the non-creature spells you do? With the opponent's build, is it the control aspects or something else that is breaking through your walls?
July 18, 2017 10:23 a.m.
Thanks for reply. My issue with death shadow is cards like Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, and Fatal Push. Those cards kill my creatures before being able to even hit the battlefield. Similarly, even if my creatures buff Champion of the Parish and Thalia's Lieutenant to be 5/5's (for example), fatal push just kills it and I can't do anything about it. Furthermore Snapcaster Mage can play all those cards twice, which is an obvious problem.
The instant cards are there to speed up my attacks. If I swing with all my creatures and leave no blockers, I can use Angelsong to prevent damage the next turn. Similarly Brave the Elements can protect my creatures and allow them to swing without being blocked. I have had trouble with counter spells stopping my creatures so I included Cavern of Souls.
July 18, 2017 11:25 a.m.
So mainboard I'm not sure where yo'd cut for it, but Rebuff the Wicked seems like the better answer to death's shadow than Luminesce in your sideboard at least. If you want a more well rounded answer, maybe you could try Mana Tithe?
Also, why the use of the swords and Ajani? Wouldn't there be a cheaper option to utilize that could buff all your creatures? Or else I could at least name a few mass reanimation spells in white that could replace the B/W sword (if that is why you have it I mean). Bear in mind I am not seeing the swords as costing just the 3 to play and then 2 another turn. I instead view them as being held back for surprise damage, but that puts them at costing 5 to utilize instead.
July 18, 2017 11:38 a.m.
Btw, Dawn Charm I should mention is better for dealing with the discard effects than the rebuff card.
July 18, 2017 11:40 a.m.
The swords are to combat the numerous discard and fatal push effects (admittedly late game). Plus, it gives me an almost guaranteed swing directly at the player in some cases. What cards do you suggest for buffing all of my creatures in place of Ajani? I agree that the swords are expensive (both money and mana cost).
July 18, 2017 10:21 p.m.
Truth be told replacing Ajani is rather difficult when considering that he can buff the team multiple times. The only real alternative to that benefit is to simply have more creatures instead of making the ones you have stronger, ie make tokens.
In that regard though you would have to make a choice between a focus on soldiers or humans then. There's plenty of both soldier and human token generators, but nothing that makes a human soldier token together. I'd try to look up and test out which ones work best for your meta.
Also I see no alternative to exactly what the swords are doing unless you skip comparing the potential free attack the swords can give.
July 19, 2017 1:11 a.m.
Thraben Standard Bearer make human soldier tokens, but discarding a card is what I am trying to avoid. Aegis of the Gods may help slow down cards like Inquisition of Kozilek. I'm not entirely married to the swords if there are cheaper (both money and mana cost) options to buff and even protect creatures. But Rebuff the Wicked and Dawn Charm would be good to try out until I have money to buy the swords.
July 19, 2017 10:51 a.m.
Two options to generate tokens to buff your creatures are Gather the Townsfolk and Thraben Doomsayer. You could also consider Increasing Devotion, but it's a little on the CMC-expensive side. While the tokens aren't soldiers, they are humans, so they synergize with Thalia's Lieutenant and Champion of the Parish. The only downside is that the tokens don't synergize with Field Marshal, who targets only soldiers, but all other buffs work on human tokens. Also, Gather the Townsfolk can help you flip Kytheon, Hero of Akros on turn two.
August 1, 2017 1:40 p.m.
Here's a couple more suggestions: For creature protection, Selfless Spirit or Cauldron Haze can help save you from a boardwipe. Bar the Door is also good. Frontline Medic can be great in the late game, especially when combined with vigilance, from Always Watching or Brave the Sands. Guardians' Pledge can help you slide in a lot more damage if you have a large number of creatures on the field. Also, I noticed that Archetype of Courage is a better version of Field Marshal, unless you're facing a lot of enchantment removal.
August 1, 2017 2:20 p.m.
Thank you for the feedback. Of the cards you mentioned, Thraben Doomsayer has peaked my interest the most. Any suggestions on what to cut out in place of it?
August 5, 2017 1:04 a.m.
I don't know if I'm the best person to give advice on what to keep or drop, but I might drop the swords, or even Ajani. The swords are incredibly powerful, but they only buff one creature, whereas Thraben Doomsayer can buff any number of Hero of The Parish and Thalia's Lieutenant while also generating chump blockers. Ajani is great, but not really the focus of the deck, and might be a bit high in mana cost. Another option would be to drop one or two copies of Field Marshal, since most of the soldiers have first strike already.
Also, a couple of options for dealing with Death's Shadow: add in Condemn, which both bounces an attacking Death's Shadow and kills any others because of the resulting lifegain. An instant-speed Rest for the Weary targeting your opponent could also kill a Death's Shadow, and is also a great spell to play on yourself (especially if you pull of Ajani's ultimate). You could include the Lifelink enchantment to buff your own creatures or enchant a Death's Shadow to kill it if it attacks. Spirit Link on an opposing Death's Shadow also works to nullify any damage it does.
August 5, 2017 3:27 p.m.
The best way to combat Death's Shadow with white is by using:
And pro black creatures.
Mirran Crusader especially
Swords are way too slow for Modern right now.
With planeswalkers and equipment is counterintuitive.
August 6, 2017 11:53 p.m.
cesario-, That is a bunch of creative ways to take out death's Shadow. Nice.
August 8, 2017 9:41 p.m.
You're very welcome.
May be better than Goldmane too.
Good luck with the build!
August 8, 2017 9:44 p.m.
if you're going for pure soldier tribal builds Captain of the Watch is a must have
August 13, 2017 11:48 a.m.
Tardigrade_Cain, I agree that Captain of the Watch is way powerful and great for human soldier decks. However, I do feel like he is too slow for modern/this deck. Getting him out with Preeminent Captain is great, but putting in 3 or 4 cards counting on seeing another 3 or 4 Simoltaneously seems risky.
August 13, 2017 4:40 p.m.
Agree that he's too slow.
He's not even running a 5cmc and has 20 lands.
Cool card though, first time I've seen it.
August 13, 2017 5:34 p.m.
Best suggestion I can give would be Aether Vial. It's literally free mana, and being able to cheat cards into play end of your opponents turn or during combat is crucial in keeping up. Plus a turn 1 Vial is a good way to avoid counter magic, considering that was something you said you had trouble with.
August 17, 2017 3:10 p.m.
coloneldark, why do you have Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip and Thalia, Guardian of Thraben? These cards don't seem to have synergies with the rest of the deck. You could be better off by maxing out your other cards. Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip is a 1 mana drop 2/1 creature, so I can see why you like that card, but Thalia, Guardian of Thraben just makes spells cost more and is a 2 mana drop 2/1. If anything I would get rid of the Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and max out Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip. I could make more suggestions, but I would like to hear your answer before adding more.
August 17, 2017 6:23 p.m.
dzapf2008, I appreciate your questions. I JUST got home from a modern tournament and learned about some cards and builds I can use to make my deck better. Will post soon.
August 18, 2017 12:05 a.m.
Yeah Vial's price is kind of a pain in the butt. Perhaps if your play group or LGS allows for proxies, you can just get a playset of fakes and see how it works for you, and buy one or two whenever you can. That's what I did when I was buying my playset Force of Will.
August 18, 2017 12:43 a.m.
leviathan_cross, Mind taking a look at this alternate build I JUST updated? As I mentioned I went to a tournament and got really good feedback.
August 18, 2017 12:58 a.m.
I think Gather the Townsfolk, while a fine card when you're at 5 or less life, could easily be replaced with Raise the Alarm, which is not only an instant, but also creates soldiers, which is ultimately what your deck wants, correct? Otherwise, if you say it's putting up results then really there's no need to change anything, though I would like to stress that Condemn should probably go in your sideboard as it's a fantastic answer to Death's Shadow threats. Not sure if you have any of those decks in your meta, but mine has a few.
August 18, 2017 1:16 a.m.
leviathan_cross, I'm torn. Because going for humans help Champion of the Parish and Thalia's Lieutenant. While Soliders are helped by Preeminent Captain and Field Marshal. Between Gather the Townsfolk, Timely Reinforcements, and Raise the Alarm there are so many options and I don't know which one is best.
August 18, 2017 1:26 a.m.
Ohh shoes that's right! Champion and Lieutenant only affect humans! WELL that is a real conundrum there, and unfortunately I don't quite have the answers for that. It's ultimately up to you on which direction you'd prefer to go, but to be frank I think the split is just fine. I'm no expert so I can't make that call, but like I said if the deck is putting up results, then why change anything further?
August 18, 2017 1:29 a.m.
August 18, 2017 1:43 a.m.
Another card to consider for your concerns over Thoughtseize and Inquisition of Kozilek and other discard spells, is to throw some Leyline of Sanctity in the sideboard. Additionally quite useful against a number of other decks like Storm and Burn, or even against a Walking Ballista pinging you to death in a Counters Company deck or any number of uses.
Additionally a card that can produce Human Soldier tokens is Sigarda, Heron's Grace. This also would protect you from discard spells (also ALL of your other creatures) via hexproof. The downside is that you'd have to splash green and at 5cmc, it's probably coming down a bit too late to do too much about the T1 Thoughtseize.
Another card you may like due to your abundance of 1 and 2-drops is Return to the Ranks. If they Fatal Push your Champion of the Parish or Thoughtseize your Thalia's Lieutenant in the first couple turns, just bust them all out of the graveyard and onto the battlefield . And (correct me if I'm wrong) but they see each other enter the battlefield so even if you just use it to return one of each they both ETB with +1/+1 counters off of that.
August 26, 2017 2:37 a.m.
Hello I like the deck, humans are a tribe a think about playing in modern, I play eldrazi and taxes. I can tell you from experience that og thalia is the best card ever and you should def go up to the full four, I heard some guy dissing her, he obviously hasn't played with her in modern before. How often do you play thalia on turn two and see your opponent sigh and spend their turn hitting her with an overpriced bolt, don't you want another for next turn? The legendary restriction is significant but when you have a two drop that forces your opponent to answer it you should go up to four.
A great answer to death shadow is Mirran Crusader it stonewalls there whole deck and they often have no way to permanently answer it, plus it's a human.
As far as cuts I really don't think Ajani Goldmane is good enough for modern.
Best of luck.
August 28, 2017 9:10 p.m.
I will certainly consider Leyline. Turn four is a little late if its not a miracle in my opening hand. But if it is...amazing. I actually own Return to the Ranks and had it in an original build. The humans do see each other enter, correct, which is a huge and immediate boost. I feel like it is a better sideboard option depending on what wacky deck I am battling at that time. I may take out Luminesce for that.
mean_green_machine, Thanks! I have been considering removing Ajani Goldmane and Windbrisk Heights. Too slow and I usually don't using their abilities. I only recently heard of Mirran Crusader and have already looked for trades for it. I agree also may put these in place of a sideboard item or a in place of the main board Ajani Goldmane. This also helps the case for more Thalia, Guardian of Thraben since there wouldn't be any planeswalkers anymore. I am still hesitant because that makes Honor of the Pure and Gather the Townsfolk cost more, if you follow.
August 29, 2017 12:31 a.m.
September 15, 2017 11:10 a.m.
I really like this deck and all of the comments. I have a similar human token deck, Demons Devouring Humans, and all of these sideboard suggestions will work perfectly with my own deck. I'm going to have to go back and write down all of the card suggestions and see which ones will fit with my deck. Thanks for the help, even though none of you knew you were helping me at the time!
September 21, 2017 4:15 p.m.
That's great! I love this deck so much and I'm glad someone else does. I have had a lot of help building this deck and its sideboard. Still tweaking though!
September 21, 2017 4:25 p.m.
any thoughts on Metallic Mimic? i have a "counters matter" human tribal with those, the lieutenant, some allies, and the bomb finisher abzan falconer. i think it could be worth it to use the mimic in place of 2 Honor of the Pures and i think 2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. you are using 16 noncreature spells, so i think putting 3 thalias in the main is a mistake. a large portion of your SB is noncreature as well. not that im saying using the card is bad or wrong, i think maybe switching a couple out and a couple of the noncreatures for more creatures might be in your best interest.
October 2, 2017 4:31 p.m.
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