I actually made a deck similir to this a while back and found that scrapping a rack deck altogether is a better plan for what i wanted to do, but here is what i learned from extensive play-testing.
You dont need very many discard cards to keep a player at top-decking, so too many discarding spells will just make you have a bunch of useless cards in your hand.
Keep the player low on resources, ie destroy their lands and creatures.
Dont count on the Rack winning the game for you alone, make sure that it will just hasten the end.
-2 Painful Quandary too expensive
-2 Royal Assassin usually a "destroy target creature" spell is just better
-2 Mind Rot better cards below
-2 Liliana Vess too expensive for what she does and her 3 mana version is just better due to cheaper mana.
-2 Swamp 25 land is WAY TOO MUCH.
-3 Liliana's Caress just not very good, and you dont need this much discard.
-2 Psychic Miasma just not very good, and you dont need this much discard.
+2 Nezumi Shortfang This card is a discard creature and then become a 3/3 rack
+2 Sword of Feast and Famine This card is just amazing i cant tell you how many times this has just won the game for me.
+4 Wrench Mind very good discard card for modern, side out against affienty
+4 Geralf's Messenger one of the best modern mono-black creatures. hard to kill and makes that rack clock that much quicker.
+2 Liliana of the Veil amazing against control and is removal just by herself.
+2 Smother or some sort of 2 mana creature removal. (you need more removal and less discard since it is really easy to get someone to zero hand size in modern with a few cards)
Like i said i played this deck for a while in modern, and really found it fun, eventually i found that i enjoyed Smallpox so much that i just shifted the deck around it.
Also as a final note Thoughtseize and Dark Confidant in your deck would be awesome but they are hella expensive, and maybe some tool lands wlike Mutavault or Tectonic Edge in concert with a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth would give your deck a uncounterable punch.
Thank you for the +1.Geralf's Messenger would be pretty cool in this deck, I'm definitely not going to run 4 of them though. as far as lands go, I may only go down to 24 at the least.
You've got a lot of discarding but pretty much all of it is sorcery. Sorcery as in ''not instant, so I can only play them during my turn'', as in ''please counter me'', and therefore Sorcery as in ''either you manage to have him discarding his whole hand during your turn, or you're gonna see some fiesta once it's his''. Blue, for example, is going to feast on you, honestly.
The Phyrexian and the Nyxathid: nice pair of creatures there, and that's honestly saying - i had never seen neither of them - but still, as I just said, in order inflict damage, you're relying on:
a) the opponent not having a hand to neutralize your aggro, something that's dubious given that your discarding mostly only happens during your turn. Also, bear in mind that Blue works faster - and usually to a wider effect - than your discarding. You're probably going to have your creatures handed to either you or to your library from the game, slowing you down. And with that mana curve plus the zero mana accelerators...
b) six cards - racks and quandaries - , with zero seekers (tutors) as the backup plan. With no locking (effective way to avoid having your key cards removed).
This applies to any deck that's either fast, or control. Specially blue control. However, you're vulnerable to even anything control-combo, given that you have zero selective removing (such as the Surgical Extraction or Extirpate ).
You see, my main deck used to be a quite developed discard one with the very same objective in mind. And you know what was the funniest part of playing it (being sarcastic)? It was when half of the guys I played against were already hand-empty at turn 3-4 without me doing any relevant discarding, with all their important permanents on the table, and even a couple cheap mana accelerators on the table to play virtually anything they could possibly draw. You're left with 7+ discard cards on your hand, feeling, believe me, like the stupidest guy. After that, you'll probably consider abandoning the discarding altogether (all this from first hand experience).
So yeah. You've got to play the deck against a couple decent ones, and get the feel of it. IMHO the strategy going on here is a bit on the loose side. I'll be glad to give you a few suggestions if you want them.
See, you want to take a look at this thread:
I made some changes to your deck. It's still quite budget, however more of a Mono Black Control (MBC) build.
If you're going to run 4 Racks, you should run a couple Black Vise s as well. Possibly even some Rackling s and Viseling s. Maybe instead of one of the Lilianas and a couple of the Inquisitions? Idk up to you. Overall it looks good!
I'd recommend not to use the lings or Black Vise. The latter only works if you make it impossible for the opponent to clear his hand.
Like incredibruhahaha says: "It was when half of the guys I played against were already hand-empty at turn 3-4 without me doing any relevant discarding, with all their important permanents on the table, and even a couple cheap mana accelerators on the table to play virtually anything they could possibly draw."If you want the opponent to have no cards at hand, you probably prefer them not playing these cards. Maybe its a good idea to find a way to make every card they draw to be discarded before their main-phase. That way they could respond with instants, but can't be playing anything else and that makes this way more controllable.
I have a similar deck built No drawing cards allowed , though its not mono black I think it has many possibility's.
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