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Rally for Victory

Food Chain Tazri Primer by u/Biglupu and u/ShaperSavant

Food Chain Tazri (FCT) is a blistering-fast competitive combo deck that is resilient, efficient, and cutthroat. It can win on any turn of the game, averaging a turn 3 or 4 win if uncontested. It utilizes ramp, draw, tutors, interaction, and protection from all 5 colors.

FCT is fairly resistant to many forms of stax and spot removal, while playing outs to effects it must remove and protective countermagic to force the combo through. The deck is very good at producing a win from an empty boardstate, needing approximately 4 mana or 3 mana and a creature to pay for its win (FC + starting the chain). The deck is modular; it can be adapted to the context of a meta by slotting in powerful custom interaction to stifle opponents while reaching toward its own goals.

This deck and primer is a joint effort between u/ShaperSavant and u/Biglupu. Biglupu's iteration of the deck is available here.

Food Chain Tazri (FCT) is a new mutation of combo deck resembling Food Chain Prossh: its built to utilize Food Chain and either Eternal Scourge or Misthollow Griffin to generate infinite mana, cast General Tazri to search up an ally outlet for either lethal life loss or lethal mill. It is approximately as fast as Food Chain Prossh and Hermit Druid and slightly edging out UBx Storm, goldfishing between a turn 3 and turn 4 win in most games. This combo is very light on requirements, only needing 5-6 cards in your deck to facilitate this gameplan: 2-3 wincon allies, 2 cast-from-exile creatures, and Food Chain.

The rest of the deck is filled with support cards of various colors; there is plenty of room for tutors, mana sources, and interaction. Having access to 5 colors allows the deck to access the most efficient options from any color. With 10 fetchlands, a selection of ABUR duals, and the best multicolor lands, hitting your color requirements is fairly easy.

The deck has a lot of interesting synergies, such as accruing incredible value by utilizing cards where exiling was designed as a penalty, such as Necropotence, Demonic Consultation , Tainted Pact, Chrome Mox, Gemstone Caverns, etc. The to-exile tutors, such as Manipulate Fate , are likewise extremely efficient at their function, being easy to cast while also cantripping.

The combo has 3 components:

To execute the combo: cast Food Chain, exile your utility creatures for FC mana, cast Eternal Scourge, exile for mana. Repeat for infinite FC mana. Cast General Tazri, fetch Kalastria Healer. Exile and recast Tazri infinitely for infinite life drain.

Simple, clean, and very light on slots required.

The Forbidden Tutors Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact (and to a lesser extent Plunge into Darkness ) are incredibly powerful ways to set up wins, as they often exile a cast-from-exile creature as they find Food Chain. They are also instant speed, low cost, and tutor to hand. Top-of-library tutors are excellent with these, as you are guaranteed to exile them without ever needing to draw them,

However, this strength comes with some inherent risk. Demonic Consultation has approximately a 6.66% chance of exiling Food Chain from the top 6 cards of a 90 card library. If all 3 ally outlets and Riftsweeper are exiled, it becomes very difficult to win the game.

There is around 45% chance to exile cast-from-exile without exiling all wincon allies in search of Food Chain. There is a 33.3% chance that Food Chain is on top both CFE creatures (thus missing them both) and a 25% chance that its under all 3 wincon allies, so there is a 9/20 chance for the ideal outcome to occur with your Forbidden Tutor.

Manipulate Fate , Foresight , Extract exile Eternal Scourge, allowing you to access a combo half as if it were in your hand. The exile 3 are very efficient because you can exile your Forsight/ Extract with your Manipulate Fate together with your Misthollow and Scourge, so you wont end up drawing it later. Tainted Pact, Demonic Consultation, Necropotence and Plunge Into Darkness to get Scourge exiled while doing something else.

Necropotence is a powerful engine in the deck, allowing you to dig, stabilize, and convieniently exile a CFE creature without taking up hand space. A very worthy option if you have a tutor and nothing else going your way.

Chrome Mox and Gemstone Cavern can exile a CFE from your opener, mitigating the card loss.

Force of Will pitches Misthollow Griffin.

Plunge into Darkness exiling a CFE turns it from a really big Impulse into a really big Dig Through Time.

Riftsweeper shuffles a wincon ally (or Food Chain) into your deck if you exiled them by accident. Cast Tazri to fetch it back again for the win, so you dont necessarily have take your last wincon ally with Tainted Pact, as long as Riftsweeper is still in the deck.

Mana dorks are the most efficient form of ramp for the deck, as they can be exiled to Food Chain for mana to cast a CFE, or even pitched from your hand while chaining.

With the deck being 5-color, you have access to every possible 1-drop mana-producing creature. This may not seem like much, but this results into openers that often facilitate having 3 mana on the second turn, and free Eternal Scourges or Misthollow Griffs on your third turn when you are executing a combo with Food Chain. There hasnt previously been any marquee cEDH decks that have taken full advantage of both Noble Hierarch and Deathrite Shaman like this.

Having the maximum amount of 1 costing dorks and bunch of 1 CMC tutors leads to a very nice curve with over 30x 1 CMC spells. The deck has very painless Ad Nauseam, regularly drawing around 1 card per life spent. If you havent played a land yet, you can often win with a main phased Ad Nauseam, though usually do need have a dork on the field to start the Food Chain combo.

The deck plays cantrips like Sensei's Divining Top, Preordain, Ponder, Brainstorm and Gitaxian Probe to dig in the early game and to get more use out of Imperial Seal, Enlightened Tutor and Worldly Tutor in the late game. This helps against being stranded with useless tutors after Ad Nauseam. Of course, most of the time it's better to fire off your Nauseam in your opponent's end step, preferably before your third or fourth turn.

Food Chain Prossh (FCP) has been a long-standing front-runner when evaluating competitive fast-combo decks. It's fast, resilient, and has a good stax matchup, and a solid midrangy backup plan of Prossh beats. FCT has all of these elements (except the last) with subtle advantages in exile use and card options in U and W.

There are a lot of similarities regarding the speed and reliability of the combo, but there are as many differences as there are similarities. For example, while Imperial Recruiter is the best creature in Prossh, its not relevant enough to make the cut in Tazri. Prossh is a Cradle deck, while in Tazri its something you might end up running. Sphere of Resistance is an annoyance when you are playing Prossh, but a must remove hatepiece in Tazri.

FCP's combo similarly operates in three parts: Food Chain, CFE creature (Prossh himself) and an outlet like Blood Artist, Purphoros or Genesis Hydra. FCT replaces Prossh with Eternal Scourge or Misthollow and Blood Artist with Tazri.

What FCT has over FCP: runs massively fewer combo slots (doesn't need to run the 10+ outlets that prossh does), only needs to achieve 3 or 4 FC mana to Prosshs 3RGB, runs blue cantrips and filtering, runs a better interaction suite with blue counters and white removal, has extra tutors in the blue tutors (including exile tutors) and Enlightened Tutor, uses the to-exile tutors much more efficiently, is less soft to board wipes and Elesh Norn, has extra duals and a fetchland. Tazris manadorks are both better and higher in quantity, gaining access to both Noble Hierarch and Avacyns Pilgrim. FCT's interaction suite is vastly superior to FCP's, with access to blue (often free) countermagic, bounce spells, Silence, and Swords to Plowshares.

What FCP has over FCT: having the value-engine in the Command Zone gives Prossh natural hand-independent power, Prossh slightly more consistent color-production in 3-color than 5-color, Prossh doesn't need to run Scourges and specialized tutors for it (at the opportunity cost of having many outlets), FCP dodges blue-hate, and Prossh has a very solid combat backup plan between casting Prossh and playing Purphoros. Unlike Tazri, Prossh can combo with Food Chain through a cost increasing effect like Sphere of Resistance or GAAIV. Prossh can also dodge several different hate pieces with the right draw, including Humility, Torpor Orb or Stranglehold, unlike Tazri.

When you compare elements like resiliency or goldfish speed, the decks match up quite evenly. With an average draw, both decks often attempt to win on turn 3 or 4, fairly often with a 1 costing protection spell to back them in their attempt.

While the deck is VERY reliant on Food Chain, getting your Chain countered is not the end of the world. The deck (depending on variation) runs Yawgmoth's Will, Regrowth, Noxious Revival and Timetwister, for lines to get back Food Chain. With the deck's tutor and dork density, it's often likely to win after resolving a Timetwister -- exiled CFE won't be shuffled back, leaving you in a decent position to recover and win.

In a situation in which you are behind with a tutor and nothing else to do, tutoring Necropotence goes a long way to helping you recover. You can play to the speed you need, while also having a very convenient outlet to discard your Scourge, while building up the elements you need to attempt to win the game.

This deck has a versatile suite of responses to deal with the stax pieces that are typically the bane of fast-combo decks. The most threatening stax for this deck are Rule of Law effects, Sphere of Resistance effects, and Torpor Orb. Toxic Deluge, Nature's Claim, Chain of Vapor, and Cyclonic Rift are your best answers to unfortunate boardstates.

Many common stax pieces are relatively easy to play around. This deck plays around Gaddock Teeg essentially by default. Linvala, Keeper of Silence only shuts off dorks. Winter Orb isn't terribly impactful against low-land decks. Tazri is unaffected by Containment Priest . Rest in Peace only shuts off possible Yawgmoth's Will lines and implores you to be more careful with Food Chain. Trinisphere and Thorn of Amethyst are painful to set up through, but don't stop the execution of the combo. It is important to note that cards like Demonic Consultation , Tainted Pact, Plunge into Darkness and Lim-Dul's Vault are unaffected by cards like Aven Mindcensor or Stranglehold.

Additionally, the deck is unafraid of creature and artifact removal, as well as sorcery-speed interaction of most types, as it can generate wins from an empty boardstate without much effort. The most threatening interaction is instant speed enchantment removal and bounce.

This deck can also play some interesting hatebears of its own as an optional package. Flash hatebears like Containment Priest and Aven Mindcensor can be flashed in to reap their effects, sowing 3 or 4 mana on the next turn after untapping. Any harmful creature stax effect could be sacrificed to FC to lift the effect when Tazri is ready to win, if such a need would arise.

In many matchups where you feel like you have to slog through too much resistance or you need to win versus strong hate pieces like Eidolon of Rhetoric, you can always go through Ad Nauseam. Resolving end step Nauseam when your opponents have you already counted you out of the game is great way to steal a victory.

Aven Mindcensor and Containment Priest stand out as excellent meta-specific options to shut down strategies that have many answers to FCT's strategy, particularly Yisan and Karador.

Red: Weve opted to slim Tazri to a BUG shell with a light white splash for consistency, but there are a few red cards that can offer strong support: Orcish Lumberjack , Gamble, Wheel of Fortune, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast, Manamorphose, Simian Spirit Guide, Imperial Recruiter , Wear / Tear, Pyroclasm .

Additional dorks: This deck wants every 1-drop mana dork it can get its hands on. There are a few additional mana-generating creatures worth considering that fluctuate in and out of the build depending on the variation: Harabaz Druid, Wall of Roots, Bloom Tender, Orcish Lumberjack , Cloud of Faeries, Simian Spirit Guide, Devoted Druid.

Stax: This deck plays around and through stax fairly well, and has the incredible advantage of being able to sacrifice creature-based stax not only for Food Chain mana, but to end the effect that would prevent it from executing the combo. We ultimately removed the stax to focus on speed, but a few stand out as worthy of considering if they disrupt your opponents well enough: Containment Priest , Aven Mindcensor, Gaddock Teeg, Linvala, Kataki, War's Wage, Spirit of the Labyrinth .

Allies: The two allies worth considering are Harabaz Druid for additional tutorable ramp and Seagate Loremaster for tutorable gas. We found these not quite efficient enough to include, but remain on the radar as options.

Creature-heavy: As the number of utility/stax creatures increases, certain elements of each package becomes more attactive. Gaea's Cradle becomes a strong option when you have 25+ creatures. Imperial Recruiter is an excellent toolbox card when there are non-dork utility creatures you wish to choose from.

Tutors: There are many tutors that can be used if you have additional slots or some of the expensive ($) black tutors are out of financial reach. These have floated in and out of the build/radar: Grim Tutor, Diabolic Intent, Idyllic Tutor, Sylvan Tutor , Altar of Bone , Gamble, Dimir Machinations, Divining Witch .

Lands: Depending on your iteration of the deck, you may want to adjust your land base. Adding red prompts you to reconfigure the land base accordingly with the appropriate duals. You may wish to consider adding Volcanic Island or Taiga to turn on narrow fetches like Arid Mesa for additional colors. You may wish to play some of the painlands like Underground River, Llanowar Wastes, Yavimaya Coast for color redundancy. A staxxier shell may want Temple Garden. If facing sever non-basic hate, a basic Forest in your deck can be a godsend.

It's in the nature of cEDH that occasionally things just refuse to go your way. You can cast your commander when you want some extra help from your Command Zone. Here are few cases when you want to cast your commander without having infinite mana:

You want to have a wincon creature before you exile bunch of cards with Tainted Pact/Demonic Consultation in search of FC or CFE creature. This is usually done when you think there isnt much you can lose to, or when you just happen to have tons of mana. This line works better if you already have Food Chain out.

You need a blue card for your FoW, so you tutor up Halimar Excavator.

You have a mana-intensive line in mind like: Transmute Drift of Phantasms, play Manipulate Fate , play Food Chain and you want do it on the same turn, so you get Harabaz Druid in case you run it.

Kalastria Healer provides 1 or 2 life either to survive or for a line that requires paying life.

You have Food Chain, but no cast-from-exile creature, and you need to ping someone to death from a low life total; you find Hagra Diabolist, recur Tazri, find Kalastria Healer, recur Tazri, it adds up to decent amount as Diabolist pings X where X is the number of allies you control every time an ally enters the battlefield. Costs a lot of mana, but it can do work.

If you are resolving a Tainted Pact in search of a CFE creature, remember to keep going until you either see your last wincon ally or a protection spell like Force or Pact of Negation.

This deck is very green reliant between dorks and FC cost. It is very risky to keep a hand without a reliable green source. You strongly desire to see a tutor and a ramp piece in your opener.

Wordly tutor and Eladamri's Call can be converted to a tutor for Food Chain in the form of Drift of Phantasms, since its a 3 mana creature with Transmute cost of 1UU. Drift is mostly used as a turn 2 Grim Tutor for you missing piece after playing a dork on turn 1.

We've found that if you resolve a Necropotence with 35+ life, it's usually strong to necro for approximately half your life total each turn. This gives you strong dig and acceleration while also having a safety net in case you are disrupted.

Plunge into Darkness is best when cast for 10+, but be sure to weigh your need to trade life for card advantage afterward.

Ad Nauseam should be cast with the intent to win shortly after. Stopping around 4 to 8 life is usually ideal so you have life to pay for tutors, Probe, mana, etc.

You can play Silence in an opponents upkeep, and then follow it up with an Ad Nauseam in their end step. People might be hesitant to counter an upkeep Silence.

Halimar Excavator and Tazri play around elesh norn .

I've been markedly impressed by how these budget builds are performing; they're still goldfishing turn 3/4/5 wins, often with protection. The main things that are lost in the budgetization are: reliability of color production, fast mana, and versatility/strength of the removal/counter suite. The psuedo-uncuttable "core": the 3 allies, Misthollow & Scourge, Demonic Consultation, Necropotence, Ad Nauseam. The budget builds compensate for land colors by playing an array of 2-mana dorks (e.g. Sylvan Caryatid) that fix mana; it compensates for the lack of costly tutors by playing additional cantrips (e.g. Sleight of Hand) and 3-CMC transmute cards (e.g. Drift of Phantasms).

I really want to highlight the $420 build. It has a really good mix of features: a decent manabase, is singleton for Tainted Pact, runs most of the mid-cost tutors/draw, has enough fast mana for strong Ad Naus, has shifted out of red, and has evolved out of most of the 2-mana dorks.

4/25/17

- Ancient Tomb
- Sterling Grove

+ Laboratory Maniac
+ Gilded Drake

Still going strong.

10/18/16

- Drift of Phantasms
- Toxic Deluge
- Cyclonic Rift

+ Forest
+ Fire Covenant
+ Negate

Drift has been fine, but I'd like to slot in another land, particularly a basic for anti-Moon/B2B. Deluge into Fire Covenant seems like pretty much just an upgrade, as it's instant and doesn't kill the on-board FC mana. I've literally never overloaded CycRift in this deck, and I think it should go for more relevant interaction; Negate's next up.

Orcish Lumberjack is on the radar.

Conclusion

Food Chain Tazri stands out as a powerful and resilient new combo deck. It has emerged as one of (if not the) fastest deck in EDH while able to voraciously fight through interaction.

Its a similar deck if you are used to playing Storm, Sharuum or Prossh, and you want to try something new without going too far from your comfort zone. The puzzle-solving mentality is one of the reason why Tazri is an fun and attractive pick.

Tazri would like us to thank her grandpappy u/tw0handt0uch for inspiration.

In our opinion, FCT stands very well in the current metagame, and we hope to see others play and improve the deck in the games to come. In our testing, our focus was on speed and quality of openers, so other variants of the deck are largely open for exploration.

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ShaperSavant says... #1

Lilbrudder:

There's no hard and fast rule, but you usually want to make your second land drop on turn 2. You'd ideally see 2 lands, a land and a cantrip, a land and a dork, or some other way to draw a bunch of cards, like a line into Necropotence.

The most important thing is that you want your hand to have a plan and the means (mana) to get there. The rest is flexible.

HarroHunter:

It's a meta call. If you're facing a bunch of exile, you'd probably want it. Otherwise, pull-from-exile cards are pretty useless, especially if you see them in the early turns.

August 16, 2016 1:48 p.m.

Aless55 says... #2

I really love this deck! Could you make a more "budget version" of it or could you explain some changes you would consider to make your deck less expensive?~ +1 & cheers

August 17, 2016 3:10 p.m.

HarroHunter says... #3

Have you considered Bring to Light? If you pay 3 colors into it it can tutor up and play Food Chain for 5 mana as if you had used Demonic Tutor. It can also tutor up and play CFE creatures or just tutor them to exile if you want. Not sure what I would take out but definitely worth consideration.

August 21, 2016 2:16 p.m.

HarroHunter says... #4

Never mind didn't realize it couldn't do enchantments. Derp

August 21, 2016 3:16 p.m.

hamiam says... #5

Awesome +1

August 21, 2016 11:47 p.m.

clayperce says... #6

ShaperSavant,
Extremely cool; +1!

Argeaux,
Check out this take on Tazri ... fighting fire with fire may be a good way to put some thump on your combo-y EDH group ...

September 6, 2016 11:06 p.m.

Tangerinefox says... #7

With 15 (possible forests counting fetches) do you think Orcish Lumberjack would be worth testing? The downside is w/o a forest is a dead card but a R/G lotus could be useful to get the ball rolling. I doubt he could ever find a spot but he's a pet card of mine.

October 3, 2016 7:13 p.m.

Franzwa says... #8

This deck is awesome! Finally, I have something to do with my foil General Tazri :)

October 26, 2016 1:09 a.m.

Franzwa says... #9

This deck is awesome! Finally, I have something to do with my foil General Tazri :)

October 26, 2016 1:09 a.m.

BobTheStrong says... #10

You may want to consider riftsweeper to protect all the combo pieces from even exile

October 31, 2016 9:14 p.m.

BobTheStrong says... #11

aahhh nvm i missed that earlier post

October 31, 2016 9:15 p.m.

Avscubasteve says... #12

honestly if you take out the abur lands, the timetwister, grim tutor, imperial seal, the moxes/crypt this turns into like a <$200 deck and is still suuuuper good.

December 1, 2016 5:21 p.m.

EpicDermis says... #13

No blue (currently) in my local meta. Was wondering what to substitute in for Carpet of Flowers

January 1, 2017 12:10 a.m.

EpicDermis says... #14

January 1, 2017 12:13 a.m.

Tangerinefox says... #15

Just playtested the list, had a hand with a first turn EoT Tainted Pact. Decided to just go for the food chain, ended up being the third from the bottom card. Even if I could've played it and a CFE creature there was an Elvish Mystic and a land left in my library. This deck is hilariously awesome.

January 9, 2017 2:31 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #16

Tangerinefox It's usually not correct to go past the third ally; don't forget you can stop whenever you want. Playing a dork or some card selection on turn 1 is also usually better than tutoring for win conditions unless it's clear you have a shot at a turn 2.

The ability to rip through the deck is quite fun, though. ;)

January 9, 2017 3:57 p.m.

jco says... #17

I'm curious: what is this weak to? For the decks in your meta, I'm curious what strategies work well against it?

I'm a huge fan of this list. It's a really gorgeously executed combo deck.

January 23, 2017 10:51 a.m.

ShaperSavant says... #18

jco Thanks!

The best points of attack against this deck are Sphere of Resistance effects (e.g. Grand Arbiter), Rule of Law effects (e.g. Ethersworn Canonist, Arcane Laboratory, Eidolon of Rhetoric), and Abrupt Decay.

The deck is really flexible in what removal you can run. If you're expecting stax, you can board in things like Natural State, Wear//Tear, etc. over anti-interaction cards like Dispel and Flusterstorm. Red Elemental Blast is good in some metas and Misdirection and various Silences are good against Abrupt Decay.

Good meta prediction is always key to tuning your deck effectively.

January 24, 2017 11:31 a.m.

Can you play Day's Undoing instead of Timetwister? It seems like it would be fine if you want a $3 card instead of a $1000 card, or is the "end the turn" clause that damaging?

February 16, 2017 5:53 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #21

Turn8ScornfulEgotist Play Windfall instead!

Check the budget section of the description for a series of budget builds.

February 17, 2017 5:31 p.m.

Fire Covenant concerns me, not only does it nessitate a red producing land, not a colour present anywhere else, but does the same thing as Toxic Deluge for a great use cost, I do not see the advantage of this card :/

February 22, 2017 7:54 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #23

Stealthybiscuit It's instant speed and doesn't remove your side of the board, which you want to keep to pay for your Scourge/Griffin after playing Food Chain.

Collectively this means you can wipe the hatebears preventing you from winning, untap, and make a win attempt. Toxic Deluge almost always necessitates passing the turn afterward into other players' combo attempts or playing/recurring more hatebears.

If you're expecting a very hatebear/Yisan-heavy meta, it's reasonable to play Toxic Deluge additionally or instead. Fire Covenant is slightly more difficult to use with a payout that's much more effective at solving the problems that slot usually needs to solve.

February 22, 2017 8:38 p.m.

ShaperSavant that's fair enough, I play in a very heavy creature based meta with both a yisan and Derick deck so deluge is more effective for me

February 23, 2017 5:32 a.m.

Dunadain says... #25

So, I think I'm missing something, Necropotence exiles the cards face down so, to the best of my knowledge, you can't cast a CFE card. Can't find an exact ruling but here's 406.4:

"Face-down cards in exile should be kept in separate piles based on when they were exiled and how they were exiled. If a player is instructed to choose an exiled card, the player may choose a specific face-down card only if the player is allowed to look at that card. Otherwise, he or she may choose a pile of face-down exiled cards, and then a card is chosen at random from within that pile. If choosing such a card is part of casting a spell or activating an ability, the chosen card isnt revealed until after that cost is fully paid."

February 27, 2017 3:34 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #26

Dunadain The relevant clause is "Whenever you discard a card, exile that card from your graveyard." When you pitch a CFE it creates a trigger that exiles it, meaning you don't have to hold it in your hand after a Necro sculpt. To be really clear: you do still have to pass the turn after resolving Necro.

February 27, 2017 3:45 p.m.

ashrielx says... #27

Dunadain 406.3. Exiled cards are, by default, kept face up and may be examined by any player at any time. Cards "exiled face down" can't be examined by any player except when instructions allow it.

March 2, 2017 5:39 a.m.

Dunadain says... #28

ashrielxShaperSavant

Thanks, so your saying, if you draw CFE creature off of Necropetence and your hand size is above 7 you can discard it during the cleanup step. Makes sense, I thought you meant exiling off the first ability.

March 2, 2017 2:03 p.m.

ashrielx says... #29

Hey ShaperSavant .What role does the Stomping Ground provide in the $420 build. Is it just for the bloodstained mire? + a different name for tainted pact.

I am building the $420 build. I have a Wheel of Fortune lying around. Would I need to tweak the mana base if I do decide to slot it in? Thanks.

March 3, 2017 7:43 p.m.

firemaker282 says... #30

do you think you could slot in laboratory maniac to help with the possibility of exiling your entire deck?

March 15, 2017 10:37 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #31

ashrielx Gives you a fetchable red source for Fire Covenant and turns red fetches into a green source. Wheel of Fortune is definitely a viable inclusion if you add fetchable red sources (namely Steam Vents and Stomping Ground if you don't have duals).

firemaker282 It's the best plan B you can add to the deck, but it doesn't contribute to plan A.

March 16, 2017 1:04 a.m.

Curious, but with the high density of cantrips and tutor options, and including the natural synergy with the exile tutors, has Laboratory Maniac been considered? It seems like a natural include and adds a secondary win condition, albeit fairly vulnerable since it needs to live to see a draw trigger.

March 20, 2017 9:30 a.m.

Dunadain says... #33

dang, now I need to make a deck using that as plan A...
I like the idea though, as a 3 drop he can be transmuted for and is easily played.

March 20, 2017 10:32 a.m.

Dreadbore and Terminate make good kill spells. You also have access to Path to Exile and Misdirection which has been exceptional in my testing.

Thoughts?

April 6, 2017 2:30 a.m.

excited_soup says... #35

Both cost red, which you want to avoid in the deck. Dreadbore is only really good against teferi, and even then it's 2 cost sorcery speed removal. Path is playable, and terminate is just extremely weak considering it's just 1 creature. Sure, single creatures can ruin a gameplan, but it's more likely that an artifact is going to be sitting there, shitting on your day. Fire covenant to wipe out everything eot and then untap and win is best

April 8, 2017 11:22 a.m.

entheogeneral says... #36

You need Ally Encampment

April 8, 2017 10 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #37

entheogeneral I don't think you understand the deck; give the description a read.

April 9, 2017 12:13 a.m.

ShaperSavant says... #38

PrestonShilling I like Misdirection, but the downside of Path is too much. The red is unfortunately too difficult, and I need my removal to be extremely flexible if it costs 2 mana.

April 9, 2017 12:14 a.m.

It's pretty clear ShaperSavant doesn't understand how this deck works. Where do you think the allies go to sleep when it's not your turn? Maybe the allies just mill around the battlefield, with no sleep, no place for to encamp -- you hoping they'll be fresh come upkeep. Delusions, Shaper. Vagaries of a Food Chain player trying desperately to justify the genocide of elf, human, and ally all so they can feed a nihilistic dog-eat-dog worldview in which only the strongest survive.

April 26, 2017 5:23 a.m.

Theone10 says... #40

Why doesn't the deck run Torrent Elemental? I would think the deck would want as many CFE creatures as it can, but then it's missing this last one. Is it too expensive, or does the deck simply not need more redundancy?

April 29, 2017 11:35 a.m.

ShaperSavant says... #41

Theone10

You can't pay for Torrent Elemental's activated ability with Food Chain mana.

April 29, 2017 1:28 p.m.

enpc says... #42

First off, love the list. A few questions minor questions:

May 7, 2017 8:11 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #43

enpc

  • Hagra Diabolist: Having a third ally increases the odds of having successful Tainted Pact / Consultation. I would not be willing to drop one. (Also, not running Pull From Eternity -- would consider it if I was playing an a heavy exile meta.)

  • Mox Diamond: It's very rarely dead in hand. If anything, I'd be looking to drop another land from the deck, as I'm finding over-abundance.

  • Laboratory Maniac: It's a reasonably solid backup plan, but not 100% necessary. It gets around certain stax (particularly, Rule of Law) and can steal the game in ways that people don't expect.

May 8, 2017 1:41 a.m.

Webcowboy says... #46

Have you considered adding Ring of Ma'ruf to help get Food Chain back if it's been removed from the game? Seems kind of like an important piece of the puzzle.

May 20, 2017 6:37 p.m.

Avscubasteve says... #47

I think Altar of the Brood may warrant a spot in the list as another win con alongside the allies. win without ever having to cast tazri. it has worked out very well for me thus far. infinite eternal scourge etb is pretty cool.also i like Culling the Weak for another dark rit. definitely helps get there

May 28, 2017 11:58 a.m.

trorax says... #48

Thoughts on Vexing Shusher for protection for food chain or other ad naus...ive seen it used to great extent on fcprosh

June 4, 2017 2:50 p.m.

Shaper, do you feel comfortable with the change to 28 lands? What mulligan system do you use?

July 18, 2017 4:44 a.m.

ShaperSavant says... #50

Frank_Glascock I've been fine with it; I'm on Vancouver. It's ont he greedy side of optimal: 28-29 is the sweet spot. If I was to put another land in it would not be Urborg.

July 18, 2017 11:17 a.m.

Ancient Tomb?

July 18, 2017 5:35 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #52

Ancient Tomb was in for a while. It ended up getting cut because of how color hungry the deck is. It didn't feel advantageous to drop before the third land drop and when paired with the colorless rocks it felt like excessive useless colorless. If I was going to play another land it would probably be Scrubland or Exotic Orchard.

July 18, 2017 9:16 p.m.

I saw on Discord that you were considering Daze or Red Elemental Blast. Is Negate the victim?

July 20, 2017 9:21 p.m.

Sorry Shaper, I rechecked the date of those comments. They were two months ago.

July 20, 2017 10:19 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #55

Frank_Glascock Daze and REB aren't right for my metagame just now, but they're viable options if other removal isn't cutting it. Negate is definitely closest to the chopping block. I actually play Delay in that slot much more often than Negate; I'll update the list to reflect that.

July 21, 2017 12:02 a.m.

313Gamer says... #56

How does this beat Praetor's Grasp? That is if it resolves.

July 22, 2017 1:08 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #57

313Gamer Laboratory Maniac + Demonic Consultation + draw.

July 22, 2017 5:06 p.m.

Keeshe says... #58

So this is probably a really dumb question.. but is there a reason for Yavimaya Coast?

July 24, 2017 4:15 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #59

Keeshe I play the UG and BG pains, because the access to G + (U/B) is more valuable than the other lands I could play in those slots. The ones it competes with for slot are Ancient Tomb, Exotic Orchard, Scrubland; I'd rather Yavimaya Coast than any of those.

July 25, 2017 3:12 p.m.

Hipparchos says... #60

ShaperSavant: I'm curious, what's the point of Laboratory Maniac? Is it Plan B with Ad Nauseam when you can't accomplish the combo anymore; or do i miss something?

August 4, 2017 5:15 a.m.

ShaperSavant says... #61

Hipparchos It's the backup plan if Food Chain or all the Allies/Sweeper are exiled. It's also for winning through a board too staxed up with multiple Sphere or Rule of Law or enchantment removal: play LabMan, Consultation/Pact to exile Library end-of-turn/upkeep, win on draw step.

August 4, 2017 10:47 a.m.

Hipparchos says... #62

Thanks for pointing that out.

August 4, 2017 11:26 a.m.

Hipparchos says... #63

So what would you cut for Laboratory Maniac in the $420 Budget Build?

August 6, 2017 5:42 a.m.

Hipparchos says... #64

ShaperSavant I want to get into cEDH and this deck is prefect to start with. So good job on this primer and its budget versions. :) I will buy the $420-Build and slowly upgrade from there.

My first question is, are there any changes you would make since the budget version exists for several months now? And what are the first minor upgrades to do? I'd cut Sterling Grove for Laboratory Maniac (as a Plan B), Divining Witch for Dark Confidant and the maybe put in Containment Priest too (not sure which card to swap with). I'd be happy to get a guideline. :D

Cheers

August 6, 2017 6:37 a.m.

Hipparchos says... #65

Or should i focus on the Mana base first?

August 6, 2017 6:42 a.m.

ShaperSavant says... #66

Hipparchos LabMan, Culling the Weak, Containment Priest (if you're facing Hulk) are the big changes. Sylvan Library and Mana Crypt would be the first cards I bought for the 420 build and I'd focus on improving the manabase after that.

August 6, 2017 2 p.m.

Hipparchos says... #67

August 6, 2017 2:48 p.m.

Hipparchos says... #68

And ofc thhx for your help, i appreciate it.

August 6, 2017 4:26 p.m.

ShaperSavant says... #69

Seems good Hipparchos

August 6, 2017 5:27 p.m.

Shaper, I see Containment Priest and Gilded Drake are back in the deck at the expense of Negate and Worldly Tutor. Is this a concession to the speed of the new Hermit Druid decks? The reason I ask is it seems you are sacrificing a lot in speed with the removal of Worldly Tutor and protection with the lost of Negate.

August 7, 2017 12:35 a.m.

ShaperSavant says... #71

I don't think FCT needs to make speed concessions to any other deck.

Containment Priest happens to put in a lot of work in some of the paper metas I play in where Hulk/Druid/reanimator is the flavor of the month, and it also happens to work well against Blood Pod and Yisan, which have strong disruption potential against us. I leave it in the general build because of how widely played Hulk happens to be right now while not slowing us down significantly -- it's quite lean for a persistent effect, and flash gives it the blowout potential of a counterspell and makes it very easy to play.

Worldly Tutor is just slow, clunky, narrow, and awful. I don't think the full-power build should play it anymore.

Negate rotates in and out as a flex slot between Gilded Drake and Into the Roil. Gilded Drake happens to be a very efficient way to steal Zur (swinging for FC) and large reanimator threats. You can play whichever one best suits your meta (Negate vs. fast combo; Into the Roil vs. stax; Gilded Drake vs. midrange).

Frank_Glascock

August 7, 2017 2:12 a.m.

Thanks for the quick response! I like Negate as I do not see midrange combo. What do you think of Sigi's Breakfast Hulk? Is it the flavor of the month or does the deck have some staying power to keep itself in the top five decks in the format? I am thinking of making it.

August 7, 2017 3:58 a.m.

ShaperSavant says... #73

I speak on it not having played it outside goldfishes, but having played against it (or a close variant) both in my paper group and online with some frequency. I am inclined to think that it is rather inconsistent, capable of early godhands with more frequency than most decks, and is overall fragile and non-interactive relative to the rest of the cream-of-the-crop. Not peronally my cup of tea, but certainly strong and viable. I think the meta will grow in resilience to the current popularity of Hulk. I'm not much for "top 5" lists, but I don't think it makes mine if I was.

Frank_Glascock

August 7, 2017 4:06 p.m.

Hipparchos says... #74

ShaperSavant I'm curious, is there also a discord chanel for FCT?

August 8, 2017 9:29 a.m.

ShaperSavant says... #75

https://discord.gg/B8XPcEz

Hipparchos

August 8, 2017 1:46 p.m.

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