- 1x Arid Mesa
- 1x Bayou
- 1x Bloodstained Mire
- 1x Breeding Pool
- 1x City of Brass
- 1x Command Tower
- 1x Flooded Strand
- 1x Forbidden Orchard
- 1x Forest
- 1x Gemstone Caverns
- 1x Gemstone Mine
- 1x Llanowar Wastes
- 1x Mana Confluence
- 1x Marsh Flats
- 1x Misty Rainforest
- 1x Overgrown Tomb
- 1x Polluted Delta
- 1x Savannah
- 1x Scalding Tarn
- 1x Tarnished Citadel
- 1x Tropical Island
- 1x Tundra
- 1x Underground Sea
- 1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- 1x Verdant Catacombs
- 1x Watery Grave
- 1x Windswept Heath
- 1x Wooded Foothills
- 1x Yavimaya Coast
- 1x Abrupt Decay
- 1x Ad Nauseam
- 1x Brainstorm
- 1x Chain of Vapor
- 1x Dark Ritual
- 1x Demonic Consultation
- 1x Dispel
- 1x Enlightened Tutor
- 1x Fire Covenant
- 1x Flusterstorm
- 1x Force of Will
- 1x Lim-Dul's Vault
- 1x Mana Drain
- 1x Mental Misstep
- 1x Mystical Tutor
- 1x Nature's Claim
- 1x Negate
- 1x Noxious Revival
- 1x Pact of Negation
- 1x Plunge into Darkness
- 1x Silence
- 1x Spell Pierce
- 1x Swan Song
- 1x Tainted Pact
- 1x Vampiric Tutor
- 1x Worldly Tutor
- 1x Arbor Elf
- 1x Avacyn's Pilgrim
- 1x Birds of Paradise
- 1x Boreal Druid
- 1x Dark Confidant
- 1x Deathrite Shaman
- 1x Elves of Deep Shadow
- 1x Elvish Mystic
- 1x Elvish Spirit Guide
- 1x Eternal Scourge
- 1x Fyndhorn Elves
- 1x Gilded Drake
- 1x Hagra Diabolist
- 1x Halimar Excavator
- 1x Kalastria Healer
- 1x Laboratory Maniac
- 1x Llanowar Elves
- 1x Misthollow Griffin
- 1x Noble Hierarch
- 1x Riftsweeper
- 1x Wall of Roots
I am curious. If you exile Food Chain in the top 6 cards of your library with Demonic Consultation, wouldn't the card proceed to exile your whole library as it searches for Food Chain? How can you do anything but die on your next turn once the spell backfires?
August 15, 2016 11:15 p.m.
Correct; there's no coming back from that.
Such is the cost of consulting with demons.
August 15, 2016 11:34 p.m.
Ah ok lol. I love the deck. I must have misread the primer and/or discussion on reddit. It seemed to me that you guys were saying that if it fizzles you just get FC back with Riftsweeper.
I have one more question. How many lands in your opening hand is acceptable without having to mullighan? I know its largely dependent on other cards in hand, but do you ever keep 1 land hands? I ask because I have been working on a BUG combo deck that uses Sidisi, Brood Tyrant as the outlet for Food Chain and I am scared to go below 32 lands.
August 15, 2016 11:47 p.m.
Do you think there is a place for Pull from Eternity in here as a backup plan if you can't get Riftsweeper? I know it's to graveyard and its only one card but I've been thinking about it and can't make up my mind.
August 16, 2016 11:25 a.m.
There's no hard and fast rule, but you usually want to make your second land drop on turn 2. You'd ideally see 2 lands, a land and a cantrip, a land and a dork, or some other way to draw a bunch of cards, like a line into Necropotence.
The most important thing is that you want your hand to have a plan and the means (mana) to get there. The rest is flexible.
It's a meta call. If you're facing a bunch of exile, you'd probably want it. Otherwise, pull-from-exile cards are pretty useless, especially if you see them in the early turns.
August 16, 2016 1:48 p.m.
I really love this deck! Could you make a more "budget version" of it or could you explain some changes you would consider to make your deck less expensive?~ +1 & cheers
August 17, 2016 3:10 p.m.
Have you considered Bring to Light? If you pay 3 colors into it it can tutor up and play Food Chain for 5 mana as if you had used Demonic Tutor. It can also tutor up and play CFE creatures or just tutor them to exile if you want. Not sure what I would take out but definitely worth consideration.
August 21, 2016 2:16 p.m.
Never mind didn't realize it couldn't do enchantments. Derp
August 21, 2016 3:16 p.m.
Extremely cool; +1!
September 6, 2016 11:06 p.m.
With 15 (possible forests counting fetches) do you think Orcish Lumberjack would be worth testing? The downside is w/o a forest is a dead card but a R/G lotus could be useful to get the ball rolling. I doubt he could ever find a spot but he's a pet card of mine.
October 3, 2016 7:13 p.m.
This deck is awesome! Finally, I have something to do with my foil General Tazri :)
October 26, 2016 1:09 a.m.
This deck is awesome! Finally, I have something to do with my foil General Tazri :)
October 26, 2016 1:09 a.m.
You may want to consider riftsweeper to protect all the combo pieces from even exile
October 31, 2016 9:14 p.m.
honestly if you take out the abur lands, the timetwister, grim tutor, imperial seal, the moxes/crypt this turns into like a <$200 deck and is still suuuuper good.
December 1, 2016 5:21 p.m.
No blue (currently) in my local meta. Was wondering what to substitute in for Carpet of Flowers
January 1, 2017 12:10 a.m.
Just playtested the list, had a hand with a first turn EoT Tainted Pact. Decided to just go for the food chain, ended up being the third from the bottom card. Even if I could've played it and a CFE creature there was an Elvish Mystic and a land left in my library. This deck is hilariously awesome.
January 9, 2017 2:31 p.m.
Tangerinefox It's usually not correct to go past the third ally; don't forget you can stop whenever you want. Playing a dork or some card selection on turn 1 is also usually better than tutoring for win conditions unless it's clear you have a shot at a turn 2.
The ability to rip through the deck is quite fun, though. ;)
January 9, 2017 3:57 p.m.
I'm curious: what is this weak to? For the decks in your meta, I'm curious what strategies work well against it?
I'm a huge fan of this list. It's a really gorgeously executed combo deck.
January 23, 2017 10:51 a.m.
The best points of attack against this deck are Sphere of Resistance effects (e.g. Grand Arbiter), Rule of Law effects (e.g. Ethersworn Canonist, Arcane Laboratory, Eidolon of Rhetoric), and Abrupt Decay.
The deck is really flexible in what removal you can run. If you're expecting stax, you can board in things like Natural State, Wear//Tear, etc. over anti-interaction cards like Dispel and Flusterstorm. Red Elemental Blast is good in some metas and Misdirection and various Silences are good against Abrupt Decay.
Good meta prediction is always key to tuning your deck effectively.
January 24, 2017 11:31 a.m.
Can you play Day's Undoing instead of Timetwister? It seems like it would be fine if you want a $3 card instead of a $1000 card, or is the "end the turn" clause that damaging?
February 16, 2017 5:53 p.m.
Turn8ScornfulEgotist Play Windfall instead!
Check the budget section of the description for a series of budget builds.
February 17, 2017 5:31 p.m.
Fire Covenant concerns me, not only does it nessitate a red producing land, not a colour present anywhere else, but does the same thing as Toxic Deluge for a great use cost, I do not see the advantage of this card :/
February 22, 2017 7:54 p.m.
Stealthybiscuit It's instant speed and doesn't remove your side of the board, which you want to keep to pay for your Scourge/Griffin after playing Food Chain.
Collectively this means you can wipe the hatebears preventing you from winning, untap, and make a win attempt. Toxic Deluge almost always necessitates passing the turn afterward into other players' combo attempts or playing/recurring more hatebears.
If you're expecting a very hatebear/Yisan-heavy meta, it's reasonable to play Toxic Deluge additionally or instead. Fire Covenant is slightly more difficult to use with a payout that's much more effective at solving the problems that slot usually needs to solve.
February 22, 2017 8:38 p.m.
ShaperSavant that's fair enough, I play in a very heavy creature based meta with both a yisan and Derick deck so deluge is more effective for me
February 23, 2017 5:32 a.m.
So, I think I'm missing something, Necropotence exiles the cards face down so, to the best of my knowledge, you can't cast a CFE card. Can't find an exact ruling but here's 406.4:
"Face-down cards in exile should be kept in separate piles based on when they were exiled and how they were exiled. If a player is instructed to choose an exiled card, the player may choose a specific face-down card only if the player is allowed to look at that card. Otherwise, he or she may choose a pile of face-down exiled cards, and then a card is chosen at random from within that pile. If choosing such a card is part of casting a spell or activating an ability, the chosen card isnt revealed until after that cost is fully paid."
February 27, 2017 3:34 p.m.
Dunadain The relevant clause is "Whenever you discard a card, exile that card from your graveyard." When you pitch a CFE it creates a trigger that exiles it, meaning you don't have to hold it in your hand after a Necro sculpt. To be really clear: you do still have to pass the turn after resolving Necro.
February 27, 2017 3:45 p.m.
Dunadain 406.3. Exiled cards are, by default, kept face up and may be examined by any player at any time. Cards "exiled face down" can't be examined by any player except when instructions allow it.
March 2, 2017 5:39 a.m.
Thanks, so your saying, if you draw CFE creature off of Necropetence and your hand size is above 7 you can discard it during the cleanup step. Makes sense, I thought you meant exiling off the first ability.
March 2, 2017 2:03 p.m.
Hey ShaperSavant .What role does the Stomping Ground provide in the $420 build. Is it just for the bloodstained mire? + a different name for tainted pact.
I am building the $420 build. I have a Wheel of Fortune lying around. Would I need to tweak the mana base if I do decide to slot it in? Thanks.
March 3, 2017 7:43 p.m.
do you think you could slot in laboratory maniac to help with the possibility of exiling your entire deck?
March 15, 2017 10:37 p.m.
ashrielx Gives you a fetchable red source for Fire Covenant and turns red fetches into a green source. Wheel of Fortune is definitely a viable inclusion if you add fetchable red sources (namely Steam Vents and Stomping Ground if you don't have duals).
firemaker282 It's the best plan B you can add to the deck, but it doesn't contribute to plan A.
March 16, 2017 1:04 a.m.
Curious, but with the high density of cantrips and tutor options, and including the natural synergy with the exile tutors, has Laboratory Maniac been considered? It seems like a natural include and adds a secondary win condition, albeit fairly vulnerable since it needs to live to see a draw trigger.
March 20, 2017 9:30 a.m.
dang, now I need to make a deck using that as plan A...
I like the idea though, as a 3 drop he can be transmuted for and is easily played.
March 20, 2017 10:32 a.m.
April 6, 2017 2:30 a.m.
Both cost red, which you want to avoid in the deck. Dreadbore is only really good against teferi, and even then it's 2 cost sorcery speed removal. Path is playable, and terminate is just extremely weak considering it's just 1 creature. Sure, single creatures can ruin a gameplan, but it's more likely that an artifact is going to be sitting there, shitting on your day. Fire covenant to wipe out everything eot and then untap and win is best
April 8, 2017 11:22 a.m.
entheogeneral I don't think you understand the deck; give the description a read.
April 9, 2017 12:13 a.m.
PrestonShilling I like Misdirection, but the downside of Path is too much. The red is unfortunately too difficult, and I need my removal to be extremely flexible if it costs 2 mana.
April 9, 2017 12:14 a.m.
It's pretty clear ShaperSavant doesn't understand how this deck works. Where do you think the allies go to sleep when it's not your turn? Maybe the allies just mill around the battlefield, with no sleep, no place for to encamp -- you hoping they'll be fresh come upkeep. Delusions, Shaper. Vagaries of a Food Chain player trying desperately to justify the genocide of elf, human, and ally all so they can feed a nihilistic dog-eat-dog worldview in which only the strongest survive.
April 26, 2017 5:23 a.m.
Why doesn't the deck run Torrent Elemental? I would think the deck would want as many CFE creatures as it can, but then it's missing this last one. Is it too expensive, or does the deck simply not need more redundancy?
April 29, 2017 11:35 a.m.
You can't pay for Torrent Elemental's activated ability with Food Chain mana.
April 29, 2017 1:28 p.m.
First off, love the list. A few questions minor questions:
Why do you run Hagra Diabolist alongside Kalastria Healer and Halimar Excavator? While it gives you more redundancy on your win conditions, you're alredy running Pull from Eternity and Riftsweeper as contingency cards. Is it just to provide more of a failsafe with Tainted Pact and Demonic Consultation?
Do you find you have a land to pitch with Mox Diamond consistently enough with 29 lands?
How has Laboratory Maniac been going? I appreciate that it's a new addition to the deck.
May 7, 2017 8:11 p.m.
Hagra Diabolist: Having a third ally increases the odds of having successful Tainted Pact / Consultation. I would not be willing to drop one. (Also, not running Pull From Eternity -- would consider it if I was playing an a heavy exile meta.)
Mox Diamond: It's very rarely dead in hand. If anything, I'd be looking to drop another land from the deck, as I'm finding over-abundance.
Laboratory Maniac: It's a reasonably solid backup plan, but not 100% necessary. It gets around certain stax (particularly, Rule of Law) and can steal the game in ways that people don't expect.
May 8, 2017 1:41 a.m.
May 20, 2017 6:37 p.m.
I think Altar of the Brood may warrant a spot in the list as another win con alongside the allies. win without ever having to cast tazri. it has worked out very well for me thus far. infinite eternal scourge etb is pretty cool.also i like Culling the Weak for another dark rit. definitely helps get there
May 28, 2017 11:58 a.m.
Thoughts on Vexing Shusher for protection for food chain or other ad naus...ive seen it used to great extent on fcprosh
June 4, 2017 2:50 p.m.
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