Esper Control (Competitive)

Standard* DeviousPenguin666

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Hey, nice deck, i'm working on the same esper control list, and i like what you have, but i was thinking more of 3 Chromium, the Mutable and 3 Torrential Gearhulk and cutting Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, since i don't really like him, thoughts?

June 23, 2018 3:07 p.m.

FastIsFaster says... #2

Just out of curiosity, why no The Scarab God in this build?

June 23, 2018 6:09 p.m.

CosiestMicrobe09 Thanks for the compliment! As for cutting Teferi, I wouldn't do that unless price is a concern. While I think Gearhulk and Chromium are very powerful, Teferi is absurdly good and one of the main reasons that control is as strong as it is right now.

FastIsFaster while I do realize the power level of The Scarab God is quite high, I really think Chromium looks like a stronger card in the control mirror match. I could be wrong about that, but remember that this is just my first attempt at the deck. Thanks for the input!

June 23, 2018 7:34 p.m.

mikeb388 says... #4

so how do u stop mono red agro that also has 2 banefires for the finisher ?

June 23, 2018 9:18 p.m.

mikeb388 This deck can hopefully deal with their early threats with cards like Fatal Push and Cast Down, and then counter anything else they might play after the board is stabilized. Banefire might be hard for this deck to deal with, but a lot of the time you should be at too much life to care.

June 23, 2018 9:25 p.m.

FastIsFaster says... #6

Chromium is certainly powerful and will probably be the premiere control finisher once rotation hits. I think even in the mirror it is probably better, I just think The Scarab God has a little more utility, but it probably comes down to play style and local meta.

As far as Banefire goes, I know its a little fringe but you could pack Insidious Will for it if they try and hit 5+, otherwise any counter should be enough.

June 24, 2018 12:56 a.m.

Leon_Kaizer says... #7

I will say, Commit//Memory is a very versatile card that can deal with anything that isnt hexproof at least temporarily, and can "counter" uncounterable things like Carnage Tyrant and Banefire.

June 24, 2018 1:22 a.m.

FastIsFaster says... #8

I feel like you may want to SB or at least consider Seal Away against more aggressive decks. Settle the Wreckage can be a little tough because you need WW on T4, and if you go much later in the game some of the aggro decks will have already done you in by T4, T5 if you dont have the mana working for you

June 24, 2018 1:48 a.m.

How do you feel about Moment of Craving as early game removal for aggro decks? the life gain from that, Vraska's Contempt and Fumigate could really stabilize against red decks, also i would play Fumigate main, no?

June 24, 2018 5:19 a.m.

Thanks for the comments everyone! Sorry for the late response. I posted this yesterday, but I think I was having some connection problems.

FastIsFaster I actually really like your idea of Insidious Will, but I will have to see how prominent Banefire is before I make that decision. As for Chromium, the Mutable, I think control decks will be quite prominent in the M19 meta making Chromium a huge mirror-breaker in the control matchup. The Scarab God can do this as well, but unlike Chromium, it runs the risk of being countered or targeted with something like Vraska's Contempt. I did consider playing Seal Away initially, but as I have access to black I believe that Cast Down is better. The combination of the full playset of Fatal Push, the three Cast Down, and the Essence Scatter actually make my early game spot removal quite strong, and if I have been able to use my removal spells efficiently, I shouldn't have to cast Settle the Wreckage until the late game. After their board is empty, the Vraska's Contempts and Disallows should clean up whatever is left before I drop a huge threat like Teferi, Torrential Gearhulk, or Chromium.

Leon_Kaizer Thanks for the suggestion! I actually forgot about Commit. I will see about getting one of those somewhere into the 75.

CosiestMicrobe09 While I do like Moment of Craving, I don't really know what to cut for it. Cast Down is the card that seems the most likely to cut, but there are a lot of bigger creatures in the format right now and I don't really want to take out a spell that kills almost anything. As for playing Fumigate, I'm waiting to see how prominent artifacts are as I do really like the look of Cleansing Nova. If artifact decks aren't really a concern, I will definitely put Fumigate back in. I'm not sure what it could replace in the mainboard though.

June 25, 2018 9:37 a.m.

https://deckstats.net/decks/50326/1023039-standard-s-new-esper-era/en

my attempt at making this deck, i'd love to know your opinion :3

June 25, 2018 5:09 p.m.

CosiestMicrobe09 looks sweet! As far as changes that I would make to it, I would cut either the Approach of the Second Suns or at least two of the Chromiums. While those are all very high impact cards, having five cards that cost seven mana will be a huge problem in a lot of games. Also, I would cut the Censor s for different counterspells (some mix of Syncopate , Essence Scatter and/or Negate ). Finally, while Moment of Craving can be good because of the life gain, I would cut them for four Fatal Push. Think about it this way Moment of Craving Pros: Lifegain. Cons: Is two mana, which will interfere with you casting a counterspell or different removal spell onturn two. Fatal Push Pros: Is only one mana, allowing you to use your mana efficiently even on turn one, which can be very important against aggro. Cons: Doesn't have lifegain. If you do decide to play Moment of Craving I would cut at least two of them. Two in main deck seems ok, but I definitely wouldn't play any more than that. Those are just a couple things that jumped out at me, but it definitely looks like a nice deck.

June 25, 2018 10:56 p.m.

Great ideas, I ran an almost identical build and took 1st in constructed the night of the prerelease. Consider cutting Search for Azcanta  Flip as it doesn’t do much in terms of being an answer. Chromium, the Mutable should be a 1 of and hulks a 3 of. I would throw in 1-2 The Scarab God in as the format is very Aggro heavy with Goblin Chainwhirler going around. I personally don’t think Anticipate should be used if your using Search for Azcanta  Flip as well as Glimmer of Genius. Control relies very heavily on how skilled a player is in strategizing so if this build works that’s great! Love to see people who love to watch people suffer...

July 7, 2018 7:12 p.m.

Skyler1776 says... #14

Have you considered cutting white completely?

July 8, 2018 12:39 a.m.

multimedia says... #15

Hey, consider 2x The Scarab God main deck? It's a better finisher in all matchups except control. Five mana for Scarab is a big difference compared to seven for Chromium. You only need one Chromium main deck you're not casting it until late game only when it's safe meaning you have cards in your hand to discard or counterspells to protect it.

The sideboard is really the place for Chromium because you don't want to draw it in any red aggro matchup. A split of one main and one side would be better than two main deck. Consider a 26th or even 27th land, 1-2x Aether Hub since you're adding a seven drop?

If the specific meta you play in is filled with control then play main deck Negate, but if you're making this deck for an overall Standard meta then sideboard Negate. Creatures are still kings in Standard making Essence Scatter a better main deck card then Negate.

Anticipate is an interesting addition and it might help the land situation, but playing both Contempt and Wreckage main deck is ambitious. The and the puts too much strain on the manabase because you also need for Disallow. You can't consistently make all these double color requirements. Only 10 sources of white in the manabase is not enough white to consisently be able to play Settle or other card; it's enough to splash to play Teferi and Chromium.

I suggest choosing one of Contempt or Wreckage and cutting the one you don't choose. In my opinion with your current manabase go with Contempt and only splash white for Teferi, Chromium and sideboard cards like Forsake the Worldly? The current manabase is fine for Fatal Push you want to be able to play it in the early game this means you need a lot of black mana. 15 sources of black in the manabase is fine, more could help. A lot of black mana is good with Contempt, but not with Wreckage.


July 8, 2018 9:01 a.m.

NotControlPlater I actually just went 3-1 last Friday with a pre-M19 version of this deck, losing only to mono red The Flame of Keld (which seems like my literal worst matchup anyway). I did cut one of the Chromiums for one copy of The Eldest Reborn, but I think Search for Azcanta  Flip is way too strong in this deck to not play, making sure that my earlier draws are good and providing insane card advantage in the late game with the help of Teferi, Hero of Dominaria. I have also replaced Anticipate with Chart a Course; I know that they both do basically the same thing, but I have really liked having a lot of filtering/card draw in the deck, and Chart a Course has actually been great. The Scarab God is a card that I have considered playing, but I believe that Chromium will be a stronger card in the control matchup and my aggro matchup is already quite good. Thanks for the comment!

July 9, 2018 3:43 p.m.

Skyler1776 thanks for the comment! In the current standard meta, I believe that Teferi, Hero of Dominaria is an absurdly strong card that should be at least considered when building any control deck. While there are plenty of UB control and midrange decks that are very good in the format, I think Esper has some very high potential. In addition to losing Teferi, I would be giving up Chromium, all of my sweepers, artifact/enchantment removal, and the surprisingly good Profane Procession  Flip in the sideboard. Ultimately, UB very well might be better than Esper, but Esper is my personal preference in the current standard.

July 9, 2018 3:54 p.m.

multimedia thanks for the comment!

While The Scarab God is quite powerful, my aggro matchup is already super strong and I would prefer to have Chromium against control.

As for playing more lands, I haven't struggled with getting mana-screwed at all. The vast array of card advantage in the deck helps me make sure to always hit my land drops when I need to.

As for cutting Contempt or Settle, my mana has actually been great so far, allowing me to cast Disallow reliably on turn 3, and Contempt reliably on turn 4. Most of the time I can cast turn 4 Settle as well thanks to my card draw package, but with the rest of your removal you don't usually need to play Settle that early. A lot of the time it will just sit in my hand until turn 7 or so and I will only cast it if my opponent has managed to stick multiple creatures for more than one single turn. Overall, I have felt almost no clunkiness in the mana of the deck.

July 9, 2018 4:14 p.m.

multimedia sorry, I just realized that I missed a part of your comment! Why I am playing more Negates than Essence Scatters in the mainboard is because I already have a lot of creature removal, and Negate can help to stop a lot of the other spells that decks play. Even when you're playing against aggro, there are scenarios when you will have an Essence Scatter in your hand and your opponent will cast a Chandra, Torch of Defiance or a Karn, Scion of Urza. Ultimately it's just because you have more maindeck answers to creatures than you do to planeswalkers and other various cards that might screw up your whole game.

July 9, 2018 4:21 p.m.

EvilArcher85 says... #20

Chromium, 7 mana. Beetles, 5 mana. Both of them on the field together, priceless.

July 19, 2018 10:30 p.m.

OceanFlex says... #21

What stuff do you board out against aggro, Gift, or Grixis (midrange/dragons)? Other than grabbing both Forsake the Worldly, and some number of Negate, Duress, and Commit, I'm not really sure how to board against Gift, for example. Which cards aren't part of the plan for beating Gift?

July 22, 2018 12:50 a.m.

OceanFlex so far I have only played against Goblin Gift rather than the slightly more common UW. Goblin Gift seems like a pretty bad matchup and I'm not really sure what the correct way to sideboard is, but against UW I would probably do something like -4 Fatal Push, -1 The Eldest Reborn, -1 Cast Down, -1 Essence Scatter, +1 Commit, +1 Negate, +1 Profane Procession  Flip, +2 Forsake the Worldly, and +2 Fumigate. Let me know if you think there is a better way to sideboard, but I think that seems like it should be fine. I'm not really sure how much Duress is needed in the matchup, but it might be very wrong to not bring it in.

July 22, 2018 11:20 a.m.

WItC says... #23

2x Evolving Wild vs 2x Field of Ruin? The field isn't tapped and can help in the mirror match, but won't help you have on turn 3 for Disallow.

Kambal, Consul of Allocation is underrated, IMHO, but in this deck it is likely to be the only creature for them to target with their removal. Having no creatures makes the opponent's removal cards dead in hand. Alternatively, consider having them in the sideboard. If you get the control matchup, and they see no creatures, then they might side out their creature removal, and the Kambal can have a field day in game 2.

Just some thoughts...

July 25, 2018 5:34 p.m.

WItC so I was playing Field of Ruin, but as I now have multiple cards that require and , I needed to make my mana a bit more reliable. If I cut Settle the Wreckages for more Vraska's Contempts I will consider adding them back in, as well as cutting a plains for a swamp. As for cutting Kambal, Consul of Allocation, I really like him in some of the grindier matchups at my LGS, but if I play this deck at competitive events I will consider cutting him. Thanks for the comment!

July 25, 2018 6 p.m.

mprendes12 says... #25

Nice decklist, I like the balance for different types of threats. Why not 4x Teferi?

How do you feel this matches with Golgari midrange?

November 11, 2018 9:07 p.m.

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