- 1x Akoum Refuge
- 1x Battlefield Forge
- 1x Blood Crypt
- 1x Bloodfell Caves
- 1x Bloodstained Mire
- 1x Bojuka Bog
- 1x Cabal Coffers
- 1x Caves of Koilos
- 1x City of Brass
- 1x Clifftop Retreat
- 1x Command Tower
- 1x Dragonskull Summit
- 1x Exotic Orchard
- 1x Godless Shrine
- 1x Isolated Chapel
- 1x Kabira Crossroads
- 1x Mana Confluence
- 1x Marsh Flats
- 2x Mountain
- 1x Path of Ancestry
- 3x Plains
- 1x Radiant Fountain
- 1x Sacred Foundry
- 1x Scoured Barrens
- 1x Slayers' Stronghold
- 1x Smoldering Marsh
- 1x Sulfurous Springs
- 4x Swamp
- 1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- 1x Wind-Scarred Crag
- 1x Alhammarret's Archive
- 1x Boros Signet
- 1x Chromatic Lantern
- 1x Coalition Relic
- 1x Conqueror's Flail
- 1x Elixir of Immortality
- 1x Haunted Cloak
- 1x Ivory Tower
- 1x Orzhov Signet
- 1x Pristine Talisman
- 1x Prowler's Helm
- 1x Rakdos Signet
- 1x Sol Ring
- 1x Sunforger
- 1x Swiftfoot Boots
- 1x Sword of Feast and Famine
- 1x Sword of Fire and Ice
- 1x Sword of War and Peace
- 1x Venser's Journal
- 1x Wayfarer's Bauble
- 1x Ambition's Cost
- 1x Ancient Craving
- 1x Chandra's Ignition
- 1x Cut / Ribbons
- 1x Debt to the Deathless
- 1x Demonic Tutor
- 1x Killing Wave
- 1x Night's Whisper
- 1x Painful Truths
- 1x Read the Bones
- 1x Sign in Blood
- 1x Torment of Hailfire
- 1x Wheel of Fate
- 1x Dark Tutelage
- 1x Duelist's Heritage
- 1x Gift of Immortality
- 1x Greed
- 1x Land Tax
- 1x Necropotence
- 1x Phyrexian Arena
- 1x Ad Nauseam
- 1x Bloodsworn Steward
- 1x Cathartic Reunion
- 1x Champion's Helm
- 1x Crackling Doom
- 1x Damnable Pact
- 1x Darksteel Ingot
- 1x Darksteel Plate
- 1x Expedition Map
- 1x Fellwar Stone
- 1x Gift of Estates
- 1x Godsend
- 1x Magmatic Insight
- 1x Mana Crypt
- 1x Mana Vault
- 1x Oblation
- 1x Pain's Reward
- 1x Painful Lesson
- 1x Reforge the Soul
- 1x Reliquary Tower
- 1x Reverberate
- 1x Rolling Earthquake
- 1x Sanguine Sacrament
- 1x Succumb to Temptation
- 1x Sunbond
- 1x Tenza, Godo's Maul
- 1x Tormenting Voice
- 1x Torpor Orb
- 1x Tragic Arrogance
- 1x Trailblazer's Boots
- 1x Vorrac Battlehorns
- 1x Wild Guess
That's not bad yeah! will have to put in some more ways to get a nice full hand too.. very nice.
August 9, 2017 4:15 p.m.
Just like Kalemne, I'm ready to straight murder people with a Voltron commander that's immediately disregarded as boring. Some cards I've thrown into mine so far include
I like what you've done so far, more Vampire tribal than just voltron but all the lifelink seems like it will make her much easier to cast.
August 9, 2017 8:12 p.m.
@PaulaTicks: Kalamne is a cutie as well! never built with her but was tempted.
I'm very curious about the copy effects you mentioned.. Licia does read 'Activate this only once'.. would the copy from Rings of Brighthearth or Illusionist's Bracers even work or is it restricted by the wording?
The Dega Sanctuary looks nice yeah, hopefully they'll reprint it because I personally don't like these older looks.
August 10, 2017 7:01 a.m.
@Bou: They would work yes, you're only allowed to activate the ability once on your turn, but it doesn't say anything about how many times the effect can be copied.
August 10, 2017 9:10 a.m.
August 10, 2017 4:45 p.m.
August 10, 2017 4:49 p.m.
I've been trying to cut cards for the past +-4 hours now, and I just now realized.. this deck would be so much better if I focused on soldiers instead of vampires. Maybe even a hybrid deck where we sacrifice soldier tokens to make vampires stronger. I still want to keep the life gain in there though.
@PaulaTicks That wording bothered me though, if it still work then it would be nice, especially in a more voltron-ey deck with more activiated abilities. But, as it is now, I don't have enough to make copy cards worth the inclusion. Also, Chandra's Ignition is going to be a game-winning card, what the hell.. the potential on that is insane, coupled with lifelink even more so.
@greatgoofini: Oh I was typing this up as you posted, good timing :D.
I took Congregate out earlier! but if I do switch to a soldier-vampire hybrid like I'm thinking of.. I'll definitely take it back in because it's going to be just way too good. if so, War Report can join in as well , nice find :)
Tainted Remedy is something I'll have to watch out for as well.. could totally break this deck.
August 10, 2017 5:19 p.m.
Decided to ditch the other soldiers after all and lean more towards voltron. Which actually makes sense because she's carrying like two swords.
I'm really curious to see what else they're going to spoil :)
August 11, 2017 8:40 a.m.
Have you considered Sorin, Lord of Innistrad? It has a cheap anthem and makes some lifelink tokens. The ultimate is solid when you reach it.
August 11, 2017 12:51 p.m.
That's actually not a bad Sorin! Haven't once managed to trigger ultimates on planeswalkers in my playgroup so I pretty much only look at the first two abilities haha. I feel he might work even better in an Edgar Markov token deck though. I'll put it in the maybe-board for now until I figure out what to cut. thanks :)
Edit: Okay so I didn't know but it seems Emblems can stack?! I definitely have to put this in then!
August 12, 2017 6:10 a.m.
What about all the Outlast creatures? They can buff her for her +1/+1 counters
August 12, 2017 3:21 p.m.
Hey looks good! I am thinking about starting a Licia EDH as well. Although i might take a soldier route instead of vampire.
August 12, 2017 7:49 p.m.
@ReignBeauxRida: The Outlast creatures would be so much better if you could put a +1/+1 on other creatures, as it is now they only put them on themselves. Abzan Falconer and Mer-Ek Nightblade would be interesting though! The other effects we already have.
@AkaAkuma: Thanks! Soldiers are definitely a good option, I toyed with the idea as well. Favor of the Mighty seems good but you have to keep in mind that protection also means we can't enchant or target her, so we can't give her more counters, the equips still work because they don't have a color.
Rest for the Weary looks pretty good, but you'd ideally want it if they blow up Licia and you need to recast her.. Sunspring Expedition might be good as well for the same reason, just wait a little with sacrificing until you need it. I'm still piecing together the heal spells so I'll put this in the maybeboard :). Ordeal of Heliod on Licia wouldn't work that well..
The problem with lifegain spells is that you need them to help you cast Licia. If she's already there, extra life doesn't really matter because just fighting with her can get you pretty much 10 life a turn. Add in all the other tools we have and you can easily get 100 life. Aetherflux Reservoir at that point, would just be mean hahaha
August 13, 2017 8:25 a.m.
August 13, 2017 10:22 a.m.
With all the Vampire tokens you're making, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet can be your man. Lifelink too!
August 13, 2017 10:24 a.m.
I agree Bou! Still i have to see how well Licia sustains our life. But Favor of the Mighty does not counter Licia's selfpumping ability? I've done quite some more brainstorming and came to the conclusion that Licia actually does not fit the tribal ideas so much, that is Edgar's game. To add to this I miss green haha. but still I want to make it work!
So even though Edgar would profit more from these, Anointed Procession, Coat of Arms and Shared Animosity would help our vampires. "Mynea frian, dark apostle", a card from the upcoming Ixalan expansion also helps with creating tokens. (I forgot about Kalitas! Thanks Chiri)
August 13, 2017 3:56 p.m.
Oh Akuma, You're right. Had a bit of a brainfart there but was under the impression you would have to target Licia - which you don't, so it's all good. Edgar Markov is really the Vampire tribal overlord yeah - I don't make that many tokens in this deck. Think it's just Bloodline Keeper and Sorin, Lord of Innistrad that have the potential. Mynea is a nice addition from Ixalan, now that I looked.. so is Sanguine Sacrament. And I thought waiting for C17 was bad :'(.
Chiri! deathtouch and lifelink are certainly formidable! especially when you have first strike too hehe. I'm not sure about adding Serra Ascendant, it's a great 1-drop that is basically a 6/6 always, but it being a monk bothers me a bit - this is just me being petty though! it's a great card. As for Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet.. not a fan of the Zombies. Yes you get them for free, and you can even sac them to make Kalitas stronger, and he's a 3/4 for 4 with lifelink. Tons of value and I should really be playing him.. but I won't, for now.
I was looking for Sunbond, should add more value to our lifegain spells as well.
August 14, 2017 2:51 a.m.
Showers are amazing, always get the best realizations.
I'm putting the Serra Ascendant in, it's a potential T3 Licia.
August 14, 2017 3:16 a.m.
August 14, 2017 6:13 a.m.
Unquestioned Authority is a pretty solid card for licia. Evasion that replaces itself is fantastic
August 14, 2017 8:16 a.m.
Spectra Ward is a little high on the curve, but it's one-sided and +2/+2.. hmm. Also very pretty.
Unquestioned Authority is perfect! guarantees a clean hit, totally on theme, and you even get a card. Might switch out my helmet for this.
August 14, 2017 8:24 a.m.
For the voltron theme have you considered adding a Sunforger package?
Late game card draw I am planning to use Erebos, God of the Dead. its indestructable, prevents lifegain for opponents and allows card draw.
Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim is a bit harder and probably belongs with one of the other commanders but she has great utility. I used to use her as my commnader but she drew sooo much hate.
August 16, 2017 2:33 p.m.
I actually started off with a Sunforger but took it out as I kept cutting instants. I'm now considering adding more protection / finisher-copy cards like Reiterate, Reverberate, Wild Ricochet, maybe even Arcbond, so its not a bad idea to re-add the sunforger yeah! that would certainly help.
Big fan of the Sword of the Animist as well, and I've seen Land Tax explode often enough to know it's definitely worth it - I mention it in the "Ramp" section I typed up - but have been thinking lately about getting an older and slightly cheaper version. Erebos, God of the Dead and similarly Greed or Vampiric Rites are quite nice. What bothers me though is the relatively high mana cost for each draw, making it difficult to repeat each turn. I'm obviously okay with paying the life but I need the mana for my other spells. This is why Necropotence is so good, and why I'm considering Ad Nauseam and / or Moonlight Bargain. While these are single cast instants, 5 mana can get so many more cards than the ~ 2 cards Erebos could get you. Greed on the other hand would get you 5 cards so that's pretty much even with Moonlight Bargain. I guess it depends on whether you want the indestructible creature or the extra cards.
At the moment though I'm more or less satisfied with the ramp and would probably try to include the above mentioned red spells first as my group has begun playing a lot more removal lately and I need a way to protect my non-land permanents better. I might cut out some more creatures, but it's getting more and more difficult.
August 18, 2017 8:09 p.m.
Odric, Lunarch Marshal would be great for your combat steps. Giving your whole team relevant keyword abilities!
August 19, 2017 2:44 a.m.
Ever since adding Serra Ascendant I've been thinking about how horribly broken this can get if you would disregard the Vampire/Soldier theme... Vizkopa Guildmage's second ability, Rhox Faithmender, Mother of Runes, Kambal, Consul of Allocation to name just a few examples, I'm sure there are more. Seriously tempted to sneak the vizkopa in though!
I'm looking forward to this friday! I have pretty much everything prepared, but my playgroup wants to play with just the precons for a bit before we modify them.. so won't get to actually test my own brew just yet :'(.
August 22, 2017 5:26 p.m.
No one has mentioned Ivory Tower. This must change.
August 23, 2017 8:35 p.m.
As soon as I saw Licia though, I was fully convinced in a voltron deck. The vampire theme is cool but your general doesn't lend itself very well to tribal. Up to you though how much you want to stick with the theme! Just happy observing how you shape the deck out to be.
August 24, 2017 12:17 a.m.
Hey, brilliant list you've got here. Just curious to why you're a little low on the boardwipe side of things?
August 24, 2017 6:13 p.m.
This would be very nice if I also added in a Land Tax actually.. hmm.
@CptCrumpet: thanks! I have a bit of spot removal for real pesky things, but I was considering Damnation and Wrath of God at first. I figured I could get away without wipes as long as I gained enough life and had enough unblockable/trample gimmicks to still deal damage - or just drain opponents directly. It might actually be a different story if I had more non-creature life gain as right now most of my gain comes from Lifelink, not so much through spells. So the way I thought about it, blowing up all creatures would probably set me back more than my opponents. Chandra's Ignition is different because even though it wipes the board, I do gain life from it.. whereas Fumigate for example would technically work as well but would potentially not give as much life. Killing Wave would be good though, especially with Exquisite Blood, but the 'problem' there is the X for mana.
Eh I guess the bottom line is I want my wipes to benefit me most, and I'm really picky haha.
August 25, 2017 4:41 a.m.
Tragic Arrogance is a great boardwipe. It lets you keep your best stuff and your opponents get their worst.
August 25, 2017 8:24 a.m.
Bou: Thanks for the clarification. Now that I think about it, I guess it comes down to your meta (if it's more creature based or not). I think in the coming weeks while everyone is dipping their toe in tribal, boardwipes might be more useful than usual but I'm sure that's not the case for everyones playgroups.
Anyway, I look forward to hearing how this deck preforms for you. I've got my own Licia deck brewing and yours has given me a few ideas I wouldn't have thought of. Keep it up!
August 26, 2017 4:01 a.m.
Words of Worship would allow you to get licia off consistently turn 3 every game. Assuming you have 1 mana rock/dork.
For me getting licia off turn 2/3 is key so that is what I'll be focusing on with my deck. I haven't posted it yet but when I do I'll link you.
August 28, 2017 3:36 p.m.
@CptCrumpet: These new commanders added and reprinted some really amazing cards so it's very understandable that everyone is experimenting with Tribal :) I pretty much build nothing else, though I have lately been deviating a bit and am starting to pull away with this deck the more goodies I add >_>.
@Lastnotice: It's harder than I thought to get all three colors early on, might throw in more mana rocks to help with that. Turn 3 is definitely possible if you manage to get the colors and I would be happy if we could get her out on turn 3 consistently. But turn 2? ehh.. You'd need an insane hand with pretty much all the expensive cards I don't have haha. I'd love to see that though, so be sure to tag/link me when you finish your deck!
August 28, 2017 4:06 p.m.
Hey! After playing with this commander, I discovered that it is a pure Voltron commander, and that lifegain is good when it allows you to play Licia faster. Cards like Vampire Nighthawk are not that good actually (well it depends how you want to play your deck).
You can take a look at my deck here for ideas : Brutal Voltron Licia, Sanguine Tribune
It's cool to see someone else play a Licia deck!
August 30, 2017 8:43 a.m.
Hey Maumoleseullevrai! I've taken a look and it really is more brutal ;). I'm going to elaborate a bit on both your comment here and from your deck, so it's a little big.
I agree with your consideration that lifegain is not a real priority with Licia. It definitely helps casting her and Licia herself hits like a truck but once she's in the field the lifegain is pretty moot so I do understand that perspective on it. I guess why people focused on small lifelinkers is to make the life more accessible. I initially started this as a life drain deck - make everyone lose more life than you and if possible, gain from it. But have moved more and more towards voltron, though some elements do remain.
Bond of Agony is one such element. I know that you have to pay mana and life to make everyone lose life, but as we have Licia.. our life loss doesn't matter, theirs does. I would much rather cast Bond of Agony for , have everyone at the table lose 5 life equally, and then swing with licia to get 10(+) life back, than putting that same 6 mana in Debt to the Deathless, which would have to be . Sure, it would get me 6 Life and would drain everyone 2, but the dedicated mana is a hurdle I considered too high. The difference between these two spells is the intention, do you want to gain life or do you want everyone to lose life? Of course if you have more than 6 mana to spend the difference becomes a lot bigger, but I like to consider 6 a soft cap and keep mana open for other spells, instant removal etc.
As for Aerial Responder and Vampire Nighthawk, if you consider it from a pure voltron then I agree that these are not that good, however, I put them in for three reasons. They're cheap at 3CMC for the power and effects they give, They can block or attack when Licia is not in the field or is tapped, and the keywords become game-breaking, absolutely insane when I play Odric, Lunarch Marshal. Flying, Vigilance, Deathtouch, First Strike, Lifelink Licia, Sanguine Tribune? hell yes! Don't forget Odric gives these effects to all your creatures eh? so those rather small and meaningless creatures suddenly evolve into world-oblitherating killing machines that beat face for breakfast.
My concerns with going pure voltron is that I usually play in a group with 3 sometimes 4 other players. If I get too strong (or if I forget to get the next round of drinks or really any reason bleh), they will definitely focus me down. I've seen the same with my Saskia deck EDH Saskia's Warband, and I really don't want a repeat of that as I had to retire it rather early. Especially lifegain is something they can't cope with, if you play the effect once they'll assume you have more, so you can afford to take more hits. This is what I have to keep in mind when I build my decks, and that is also one of the reasons I haven't yet gone pure voltron. It's absolutely possible to swing Licia in turn 4/5 for 20/20 lifelink double strike, but if I were to do so, it would be my first and last attack in that game.
Licia is exciting! But I think putting her in one specific corner, whether it be lifegain matters or pure voltron, is a bit of a waste. She's a general, so plan ahead and use everything you can to come out victorious.
August 30, 2017 10:04 a.m.
thanks Bou for the big answer!
I understand the choice for bond of agony, even if I don't find it that useful. By the way, Debt to the Deathless with actually deals 4 damage to each opponent and you gain 12 life points because the damage is doubled up (that's why it's such a good card). for 6 CMC that's the same as exsanguinate, and the difference goes up a lot after that.
By the way, if you're more on the planning side of things, you can consider Queen Marchesa. Gives you the crown, deathtouch haste for Ordic, and is pretty cheap for her power(unless you want her in foil). People don't often consider her in the 99 but I think she can be quite good.
On my table, people underestimate Licia a lot, seeing how poorly she does in the precon deck. They didn't touch mine until she was a 28/28 indestructible. That was pretty fun!
August 30, 2017 11:12 a.m.
Oh you're absolutely right, Debt to the Deathless deals double, I missed that in the big type-up ha. The color dedication still stands for me though, but damage-wise you're right.
Sanguine Bond is much much better than Exquisite Blood, it's not even funny how much damage it can deal to a target opponent. I actually just removed the paragraph detailing these cards from my description as I've been editing since your last comment, but I didn't include Sanguine Bond precisely because it was too effective and targets only one player. Vizkopa Guildmage does the same but for every opponent, I feel if everyone loses it's a bit more fair. If you do play Sanguine Bond, consider Blood Tribute as well, maybe a bit mean but you can outright kill someone with it (just checked and you already have it ;)).
I've just taken out Exquisite Blood because I felt it was a bit unnecessary, better to add in some more removal or protection for Licia. Perhaps in the late-game it would be more useful but let's be honest.. Licia will tear people apart early enough.
I hadn't considered Queen Marchesa at all! I guess because I initially started with a Vampire tribal so I never considered others.. The Monarch is something I have been considering in other decks of mine to help with draw so this is pretty interesting, Adds a little more Politics and the keywords help with Odric as well yeah! Nice find, I'll have to take a look at what to cut out for her.
August 30, 2017 11:54 a.m.
September 4, 2017 8:10 a.m.
Just used a proxy of this deck for my first ever EDH games. I was playing against a few people who were trying new decks, but I won both games! This deck is super fun to play, it just feels like Licia spends the first part of the game charging up and selecting weapons, before wading in and just wrecking the opponents. I'm going to start slowly acquiring the main deck to play it legitimately.
September 9, 2017 5:12 p.m.
Wow! that's great to hear! I'm glad you had fun and totally stoked that you used this deck to jump into EDH! You might want to try some other decks before you start buying the cards though, EDH offers many many options but some cards can be pretty pricey if you can't use them in other decks.
September 10, 2017 8:13 a.m.
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