- 4x Aerial Responder
- 4x Fairgrounds Warden
- 2x Filigree Familiar
- 4x Lone Rider Flip
- 4x Odric, Lunarch Marshal
- 3x Toolcraft Exemplar
- 2x Veteran Motorist
Pre-Scriptum: I haven't drawn too many hands so my comment only has a limited amount of basis.
For some reason the mana curve feels a little higher than it should be, probably because that three cmc slot is a little overloaded, I suggest swapping out a Fairground Warden or Ironwright Cleansing for another land. Also since this looks like a limited pool of your personal cards (and I'm not a very experienced deckbuilder) I don't really now what cards to suggest.
Overall though, this looks like a really cool deck. I've been a fan of Keyword overload for a while now, and this deck seems to be quite funny :D
November 3, 2016 5:35 a.m.
I love R/W decks! Nice synergy with Odric and Aerial Responder...great idea! Like Nedon31 said, I would highly recommend adding 1 or 2 more lands and increasing your 2-drop slot. Equip cards like Stoneforge Masterwork or Skeleton Key might be better options than the blade or the goggles. Also consider adding Filigree Familiar or Renegade Tactics if you can as this deck needs some draw power.
November 3, 2016 8:57 a.m.
Nedon31 thanks! I had a bit of an issue with land earlier on so I adjusted the land balance to accommodate. I could probably drop a Fairgrounds Warden for another land because while they're good, playing ~1 card/turn is a bit slower than i'd like. Thanks for the suggestion!
eyes2sky Thanks for the compliment! + is the strongest combo in the deck for sure. The reason I'm a big fan of Inventor's Goggles is the boost it gives to toughness, which further protects my Toolcraft Exemplar, Odric, Lunarch Marshal, Fairgrounds Warden, and Aerial Responder. I have a Skeleton Key lying around that I initially maybe'd but it seems like a solid idea to play with. I'm going to look into Stoneforge Masterwork because It serves to boost a lot thanks to the Dwarf tribal. What would you recommend dropping for Filigree Familiar and Renegade Tactics, and what 2-drops would you sub in? I'm new to the game as of Eldrich moon and still figuring out the whole deckbuilding thing. Thanks both for your feedback!!
November 3, 2016 12:20 p.m.
You could do something towards both of your decks major weaknesses with Veteran Motorist. It's a very solid 2 drop in general, and it would allow you more leeway to get more value off of depalas ability. I can definitely see this becoming a powerful version of the boros aggro deck. I would suggest swithching them on for either the dragons or the blood mists. Good luck building, and remember to keep in mind the mana curve when you're building a deck, but an aggro deck in particular.
November 3, 2016 8:41 p.m.
that's not a bad idea, thanks for the suggestion. The scry 2 would be quite effective for sure. I almost feel though, if I use veteran motorist i may as well try and work Smuggler's Copter into the mix. What do you think?
November 3, 2016 8:51 p.m.
Whether you put the absolute best vehicle in the format is up to you, but primarily up to your wallet. I think it would definitely be a good idea
November 3, 2016 9:03 p.m.
I already have 2 Smuggler's Copters. I could likely drop the Skyship Stalkers and replace with Veteran Motorist to pilot the copters I could sub in for Blood Mist. Only issue I see is that I'm a big fan of a flying, lifelink, vigilance, double strike combo. However, I would be able to drop 4 4-costs and add in 4 2-costs with scry and draw. I guess that's worth it. I'll also likely replace Hedron Blade with Stoneforge Masterwork The deathtouch to colorless is nice but it may be worth it to milk the Dwarf tribal for what it has to offer.
November 3, 2016 9:13 p.m.
Based off the odric theme here, I would think that Skeleton Key would be better than stoneforge masterwork, but that's just my preference. And if you have the copters, definitely play them
November 3, 2016 9:18 p.m.
YES add the Copters! Consider adding Servo Exhibition for Crew. I would add 2 more lands, especially since you are running 2 colors. Consider taking out both Blood Mist or 2 Cryptolith Fragments to make room. Consulate Skygate and Ironwirghts Cleansing should go to the sideboard, making room for Filigree Familiar and Renegade Tactics. A Must add for this deck (a great 2 drop!):Weapons Trainer, Great value in this card!The other Cryptolith Fragments don't seem to make a lot of sense here and could be replaced by the Key and/or Stoneforge Masterwork. This will also improve your 2 drop slot (and thus overall speed of your deck)Other 2 drop Ideas to consider: Harnessed Lightning and Trusty Companion
November 3, 2016 10:14 p.m.
I'll try it, i don't have a stoneforge handy anyway so I'll let you know how I find the key. It seems that i definitely should add Veteran Motorist and Smuggler's Copter. I could add Servo Exhibition for crew but I don't see why I would need servos if i have Fairgrounds Warden to sit around and ideally not die so their arrested creature doesn't come back. They're decent defenders but using them as crew separates them from harm a degree further. I'll try dropping the Consulate Skygate. They're nice to set up behind but this deck has a lot of 1 drops and could have many better 2-drops. I actually have a single Weapons Trainer. He was amazing! I ultimately maybe'd him because I only had one though. If I could get up to two it would definitely be more worth. The reason I had Cryptolith Fragment Flip in was for the mana and artifact to build Toolcraft Exemplar's abililty but if i just added more land i could cut them entirely and still work well enough with the equips I have. I definitely see the value in Harnessed Lightning and i'll try it out but I'm missing the point with Trusty Companion. Is it just that he could be used as another pilot?
November 3, 2016 11:54 p.m.
I'd really like to try cutting the deck down a little bit. What do you guys think so far? What else would you think to slim down on/add? I feel like I should have a little more equipment cards. By the way, thanks for all the feedback!
November 4, 2016 12:07 a.m.
Lookin good! If you're not sure about Servo exhibition just add 2 more Renegade Tactics at least for the card draw.
November 4, 2016 12:12 a.m.
Well here's my thinking (and i could definitely be wrong!): 2 Veteran Motorist, 2 Weapons Trainer, 2 Depala, Pilot Exemplar, and 4 Fairgrounds Warden leaves me with a decent pool of pilots who'd be better off crewing over swinging. I don't see why I'd need it. Am I of good thought or is there something else?
November 4, 2016 12:17 a.m.
November 4, 2016 12:52 a.m.
I thought about it. The issue I have with Lone Rider Flip is it'd be very difficult to gain any life outside of use with Aerial Responder. Authority of the Consuls will help but It seems like I may not always be able to transform. I guess it's still good for first strike and lifelink though.I'll try it out and see how it fares! (I just gotta figure out what to cut to open a slot)
November 4, 2016 3:48 a.m.
I found another card that would work well (in theory):P Nahiri's Machinations. may try it out.
November 4, 2016 1:15 p.m.
Masterwork is stronger than you seem to realize here! You also have several soldiers and even a few humans. If you have 2 creatures out, they probably share a type without even being both dwarves. :)
November 4, 2016 6:02 p.m.
I definitely see the value. I have 2 in main for now. I can always add more once I get a feel for them. Thanks for the input!
November 4, 2016 6:10 p.m.
I mean, I could bump the Smuggler's Copter up to 4 but I don't have that kinda money at the moment D:
November 6, 2016 1:51 a.m.
I like the idea behind this deck a lot, and it looks like it's fun to play. One card suggestion I have is Sigarda's Aid, since you have six equipment cards in the deck. Not sure what you would replace, but I think that card would help a lot. I also don't know how I feel about Veteran Motorist in this deck, since you only have two creatures. The scrying is always nice, but I think Trusty Companion is a better 2-drop in terms of utilizing Odric, Lunarch Marshal. Also, since you have four legendary cards in the deck (two of each), I would consider sideboarding Thalia's Lancers. It might not necessarily gel with your mana curve, but it could really turn a game around if you haven't drawn into a Marshall by the time you cast it.
November 8, 2016 12:42 p.m.
i'll play around with the idea, thanks for the feedback!
November 8, 2016 6:08 p.m.
I haven't tested this deck, but it could probably benefit from 2 or so big vehicles in the sideboard (such as Renegade Freighter. I know you don't have a sideboard, but you should try making one.
November 12, 2016 6:15 p.m.
The deck looks like it is being pulled in two many directions. Aggro Vehicle deck, a Keyword Deck and a Equipment deck. I would suggest picking one theme and going into that for main board (I am partial to the keyword deck, since I am running a Mono White Human version -had to build it never built that one on here- http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/keywords-r-us-mono-white-humans/), and putting 6-7 of 1 of the other themes in the side board. If you like being like everyone else putting the vehicles in your sideboard would be good, but the equipment cards sync better with you keyword cards 9just my two cents)
November 14, 2016 4:41 p.m.
I agree. I'd rather it be a keyword deck. However it stinks to know that most standard decks run the copter, which makes me want to include it.
November 14, 2016 5:05 p.m.
22 lands in a 68 card deck is a little rough. Played a couple games with it and getting lands was an issue
November 23, 2016 3:13 p.m.
my big issue honestly has been trying to trim down from 68 to 60 but I'm not quite sure what should go.. It's that unfortunately hard state of deckbuilding, ya know?
November 23, 2016 5:24 p.m.
For side board maybe Hanweir, the Writhing Township? I personally love this meld, and maybe if I bought this deck, thoughts on how I could add it in mainboard? I would really appreciate it if you did, this build seems pretty consistent everywhere. Only thing this decks lacks is spot removal.
December 5, 2016 10:57 p.m.
What's the total cost of the township? The thing with this deck is that it's rush. It'd fit the theme with tramle and haste but beyond that its just a big hitter that may come out late if you already haven't won beforehand. I'm really glad you like the deck! I've heard of people mentioning it at my LGS and I couldn't be more proud!
December 5, 2016 11:53 p.m.
I know they would dilute your Creature types (making Depala's anthem and the Stoneforge Masterworks less effective), but if you're still looking to lower the curve, Topplegeist and Selfless Spirit might be worth a look.
December 6, 2016 11:18 a.m.
That's a really nice idea. I'll play around with it to see how it works! Depala's anthem is nice, as is the masterwork but its definitely worth investigating. Its a shame selfless spirit is so expensive money-wise :o
December 6, 2016 11:35 a.m.
I've been thinking.. Nahiri's Machinations may be worth putting in because of the 2 cmc cost and the indestructible grant.
December 6, 2016 1:21 p.m.
I would consider Blessed Alliance over Immolating Glare as a way to get around those pesky indestructible or hexproof creatures. Eg Blossoming Defense or Bristling Hydra or having to sacrifice an Archangel Avacyn Flip
December 6, 2016 5:34 p.m.
I would like to suggest Thraben Inspector over the familiar to help speed up the deck. This will help work with Toolcraft Exemplar as you can get him swinging on turn 2 with more artifact options that can be dropped on turn 2. The inspector also makes more sense to run because it can pilot the copter early and you don't have to worry about as many cards in that 3 slot anymore. While you do lose the 2 life EBT making hard to flip Lone Rider Flip, it wasn't flipping him unassisted anyways.
An equipment suggestion to consider since you have vigilance in the deck is Stitcher's Graft. I am a big fan of this card in my own variant of Odric deck as it helps in both aggressive and defensive purposes. Bonuses is that it is the same cost as Stoneforge Masterwork and grants as much bonus as you having 3 other creatures in play that share a type to equipped creature. With the penalty being you don't untap the following turn when attacking, it can be offset by vigilance or next card I am going to suggest to you. The equipment makes your Aerial Responder such a beast that is hard to handle without a targeted "kill" spell since his stats will be so high he won't be burned out easily once equipped. There are also a lot of other benefits to this card but the penalties can be steep so be careful when playing it. Example you should avoid equipping to your vehicles/man lands as they will be lost once the equipment falls lose even though they aren't creatures anymore.
Always Watching is an obvious suggestion but while not necessary it also pairs well with the suggested equipment making it easier to equip and swing away.
Blessed Alliance is a great card option since you are running Lone Rider Flip and would also pair well with Stitcher's Graft as it allows you to untap your tapped creature if it is tapped from its attack and allow you to swing when they might have been expecting it to stay tapped. Its normal use of making your opponent sacrifice an attacking creature is also very useful when you fall off rush and are looking to stabilize.
These are the best options I could come up with quickly based on my own version that has a human base instead of dwarf. I wish you the best of luck with the deck and will try to think up more ideas, but already see most of my cards already in use.
December 6, 2016 7:47 p.m.
December 9, 2016 9:33 a.m.
I was thinking of Sin Prodder. It's interesting but honestly I don't see it fitting in well aside from the menace keyword. Seeing as the highest CMC is 4 in this deck it wouldn't be AS punishing to them as it would be to me when it comes to derailing my setup. I'm afraid that I'd reveal Lone Rider Flip, who'll definitely get discarded. Gideon, Ally of Zendikar is interesting. I hadn't thought about that! I may be able to run maybe 2 but finding space and money would be a little tough.
December 9, 2016 12:27 p.m.
Even without any other Energy sources, maybe some Multiform Wonder in the sideboard, for those grindy games? With Odric out, it gives 3 turns of Flying, Vigilance, or Lifelink to the team. And even without Odric, a 5/1 Flying Lifelink could be a HUGE swing.
December 9, 2016 11:11 p.m.
December 9, 2016 11:29 p.m.
clayperce I agree that his removal could probably use some slight tweaking, mostly the sparks for a cheaper option to speed up deck.
However, personally I think the Multiform Wonder is a very under powered card compared to a lot of other 5 drop options we have in the standard format. It might only cost it 1 energy to activate each of its skills, but a number of 5 costs come with those skills and stats as a base for the cost so I would not recommend when you can use something better like Angel of Invention as a same mana option. As you can see the angel brings all the abilities plus an anthem effect and can either generate you extra bodies or even start at higher base stats then the Wonder. I would even suggest something like Mirrorwing Dragon for his deck over the wonder, because it is a big body that penalizes your opponent for trying to control it with sorcery or instant spells (I don't really suggest the dragon as you have no inflate spells to capitalize on its second function).
One of the things you have to keep in mind for Odric deck is that you can't always count on him being on the field for your creatures. You need to pick cards that are good even without his presence, but interact even deadlier with his presence.
Question about Renegade Tactics, how well is this working out for you? Personally I have never been a big fan of these cards but see they have value.
Lastly I forgot to mention in last post you might want to consider Hanweir Battlements at 2 of for your deck since the haste option can be really beneficial. Even without the other card present for the merge this card has some good value for games that get dragged out. Would not suggest more then 2 for deck because you never really want to draw more then 1 copy.
Here is a link to my variant deck if you would like to view it and see the kind of success I have been having. Just remember that I am doing a human variant, so not all the cards will work well with your dwarf theme. Shared Aggression (w/r)
December 10, 2016 5:07 a.m.
You really can't reason like that with Sin Prodder. You are just as likely to hit a Haunted Cloak that is hiding a Lone Rider Flip that you need underneath as you are to lose the rider. You can't get upset over milled cards, especially if said mill comes along with free damage to an opponent. you have to think of them as cards that were buried so deep in your deck you wouldn't have gotten to them anyways. Either way he gets you extra cards or extra damage, and even if he were just a stat ball with menace, I'd still reccomend him over Giant Spectacle, they kill one creature and you've 2 for 1'ed yourself.
December 10, 2016 1:58 p.m.
December 10, 2016 2:44 p.m.
when i first playtested it i couldnt cast anything until turn 7 but i think that was just luck of the draw. but besides that good deck!
December 14, 2016 3:22 p.m.
January 5, 2017 4:22 p.m.
Honestly I think this deck would be so much better as orzhov. There are so many better leywords on it and with the new set coming out you can add Gifted Aetherborn which is 2 mana for 2 keywords and from other sets there isAyli, Eternal Pilgrim and Rancid Rats and more! So good deck but since red doesn't do that much for you by way of keywords I think you should go orzhov or at least mardu!
January 6, 2017 7:04 a.m.
yeah, I've been looking at how I can change this with the new set. The red is nice for the burn and the double strike from needle spires but black does give access to deathtouch, which would be freaking awesome. I'm planning on updating the deck for AEr and that's just food for thought. Thanks for the input :)
January 6, 2017 1:07 p.m.
Update: Instead of simply changing this deck JUST yet, I made an orzhov version found here:
check it out!
January 6, 2017 1:48 p.m.
That's my version of this deck, i think you'll love it: Boros Odric Kaladesh
January 20, 2017 10:28 a.m.
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