mtg, mtg cards, magic the gathering, gaming, geeks

MTG Deck Builder

Delver a la Drake

Long_Con

Standard*

Score: 14


Description

Mono-blue Delver, updated with some M13 Talrand fun.

Updates

#6 in tournament @ World's Collide — Aug. 31, 2012

Not so great... won the first round against a BR Blood Artist deck, very close. Lost the next two rounds... some bad draws, and admittedly, some bad decisions. Won the final round against a UR Delver-Talrand deck, and it was my Swords that showed their value over his Pikes that made the difference!

I made Top 8, but this deck can do much better. I don't usually lose two rounds in a night.


#5 in tournament @ World's Collide — Aug. 17, 2012

Went 3-1 last Friday. Only loss was the first round against a UW Delver-Lingering Spirits deck... heavy control.

I switched out the 4 Runechanter's Pike s this week for 2 Sword of Feast and Famine s, 1 Sword of War and Peace , and at the last minute, 1 Sword of Body and Mind ! Let me just say that they had way more positive impact than the Pike ever did.. and the Pike won me quite a few games! I milled a dude to death with the SoBaM one game! In another, that same sword locked down an Exalted deck by virtue of the Wolf token each round. And the other two swords, they are deadly every time. VERY happy!

So, what to do against control-token decks? I am going to sideboard in two Devastation Tide s. I want to Ponder one into place when I see it, and then strategically tap my mana out. My opponent will take advantage (Lingering Souls comes to mind, for one) and put stuff into play that I can't counter. I will then Miracle Devastation Tide the next turn and follow it up with... a Delver or Invisible Stalker , or whatever.

Third place had a 3-1 record, as did fourth... just like me. But they both got $10 store credit and I got jack. I have to learn how this scoring system works.


#8 in tournament @ World's Collide — Aug. 3, 2012

Placed 8th with three wins, two losses. Confidence in Delver still very high, though. The first loss was due to a blatant mistake on my part when I found two Islands and a Temporal Mastery with my first turn Ponder . I set it up to draw the Temporal too early, before I would have my second land down to Miracle it. Noob mistake! I was one turn away from winning.

The other round I lost, I simply got mana flooded the first game, and mana screwed the second. I beat that guy's deck last week, and I would have no problem beating it with a fair draw. I should have mulliganed on the mana screw, lesson learned.

Everyone else I was able to keep under control with my array of counterspells and Vapor Snag s, until my win conditions made short work of them. Inkmoth Nexus and Runechanter's Pike won me a couple of games - thank you, Alternate Win Condition!


#3 in tournament @ World's Collide — July 27, 2012

There were two FNM events in a row, and this deck took third in both. I didn't keep a round-by-round tally of the results, but I only lost one round in each event.

First time, I lost to a deck of Intrepid Hero + Rancor , Silverblade Paladin , Mayor of Avabruck  Flip , etc. I would have won if I hadn't been careless and failed to Essence Scatter the Mayor.

Second event, I lost the first round to a fast Infect deck, and I only lost after he used two Ranger's Guile s to counter my Vapor Snag /Mana Leak , and his Inkmoth Nexus got through just before I would have killed him. Rancor was also involved.

I would sideboard in my three Mental Misstep s for the Rancor s against either deck, and I believe that would give me the edge I need to beat them both, because I was so very close.

Delver a la Drake made serious waves last Friday, and I overheard several conversations about it. :)


#7 in tournament @ World's Collide — July 20, 2012

Round 1: Faced a white lifegain deck that never really got going... and if it had, I think I still would have won. 2 - 0

Round 2: Faced a Naya ramp deck that quickly brought out the Thundermaw Hellkite s and Wolfir Silverheart s. Squeaked by a 2 - 1, fantastic Delver comeback in the third game thanks to Talrand, Sky Summoner and Runechanter's Pike .

Round 3: Faced a UR deck that ramped with Sphere of the Suns and Pristine Talisman up to Deadeye Navigator and Zealous Conscripts . Comboed the last two with Gilded Lotus for unlimited mana one game, and I barely lost the round, 1 - 2.

Round 4: Faced BR Vamps, he was mana screwed first game, and I still won the second one fairly easily. 2 - 0.

Round 5: This deck gave me trouble. Elves and birds, Strangleroot Geist s on second AND third turn, then Thundermaw Hellkite and Bonfire of the Damned . It was too fast, and I have decided to sideboard some Redirect s for the Bonfires. 0 - 2.

Long_Con says...

#1

Took out the two Think Twice and two Silent Departure for four Negates. Things like DoJ and Shock are some of my worse fears, and Negate handles them both. Vapor Snag and evasion (and many Drake tokens) are enough to handle creature-based threats, I think.

July 4, 2012 3:07 p.m.

BlckGaming says...

#2

Index ?

July 4, 2012 3:14 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#3

I was considering Index ... but it's just so inferior to Ponder . Maybe after the rotation in September, assuming Delver is still playable then.

I'd just hate to Index and find that my next five turns are going to suck... can't even shuffle the deck to save me.

July 4, 2012 6:04 p.m.

BlckGaming says...

#4

What about two and two? Two Ponder two Index

July 4, 2012 6:29 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#5

I would never take out a single Ponder for ANYTHING! :)

I did, however, put in two Inkmoth Nexus es as an alternate win condition with card:Runechanter's Pike.

July 8, 2012 7:21 a.m.

thanks for the comment.vdig the deck but prepare for the fallout. I justupdated, so now it should be ready for war. Index will be stupid good in both thedelver/talrand and my you/b zombies. Next 5 moves? Okayy gg lol

July 8, 2012 6:01 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#7

The thing with Index is that it doesn't replace itself like Ponder , so you have draw disadvantage, and if your next five draws suck (no land when you just need one more, say), you can't even shuffle (like Ponder). Like Cassandra, you are cursed with knowledge of the future, but the inability to do anything about it.

July 8, 2012 8:45 p.m.

BlckGaming says...

#8

Yeah. True. After rotation, run four Evolving Wilds so you can get the shuffle and thin your deck down more.

July 8, 2012 8:52 p.m.

pheonix_222 says...

#9

If you swap Vapor Snag for Unsummon after rotation it can be used easier to save Talrand, Sky Summoner from removal.

July 16, 2012 9:16 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#10

True... though 90% of the time, I return my opponents' creatures to their hands. :)

Hey, I just beat Grand Illusion 2 out of three times in playtesting! Yay!

July 18, 2012 9:03 a.m.

Azure124 says...

#11

this deck seems to have trouble with very heavy aggro like my deck:yevas-playground deck it seems that you need some spot removal like Gut Shot for mana dorks and dismember Dismember to deal large creatures in the side board. but overall i like the deck

July 22, 2012 10:25 a.m.

Long_Con says...

#12

Thanks for the advice, I've been throwing in the 3 Mental Misstep s for the mana dorks... kind of the same result as Gut Shot (2 life for one elf/bird/monk gone), but it also saves me from Tragic Slip and Pillar of Flame . And maybe I can cast it for blue mana, if I have one to spare.

I will playtest against deck:yevas-playground and try subbing in the Phyrexian removals, and see how it goes.

When I playtested against your deck, maybe I didn't play it like you do - how do you like to use Thought Scour ? I mostly waited until my opponent's end step and just drew an extra card at that point. Do you ever Thought Scour yourself? I could see myself casting it on myself to get some more instants/sorceries in the graveyard for a sudden card:Runechanter's Pike boost after blockers are declared.

July 22, 2012 1:24 p.m.

Azure124 says...

#13

always Thought Scour self if i need draw then then on my turn but it is mostly at their end step, i would suggest if you want/can get Tamiyo, the Moon Sage as an addition then Thought Scour should also be included with the tamiyo emblem it says draw 3 or draw 1 mill opponent 2 other than that it can fuel your card:Runechanter's Pike and Snapcaster Mage if you get decent mills

July 22, 2012 7:48 p.m.

FROZR2 says...

#14

Temporal Mastery doesn't seem to fit too well with Pike. At least that's what I found when I used to run it.

August 4, 2012 2 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#15

No, but it still synergizes with Talrand, Ponder, and Delver! :) And maybe I'll just cast an instant or sorcery on my extra turn to make it up to the Pike.

August 4, 2012 2:12 p.m.

Sax says...

#16

Would it be better if you up the Snapcaster Mage amount to 4? Or have you have success with 2 Snappy/ 2 Invisible Stalker ?

August 7, 2012 8:22 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#17

Yes, the Invisible Stalker has been very valuable when my opponent keeps burning and Murder ing my stuff, or when they have good defensive creatures. Putting a charged-up card:Runechanter's Pike on a Stalker has won me many games that were trying to settle down into a stalemate.

Conversely, the Snapcaster Mage works against card:Runechanter's Pike, my most devastating late-game weapon. I'm very careful about casting Snaps McGaps... he's amazing for a counterspell repeat though.

August 8, 2012 7:59 a.m.

Long_Con says...

#18

I'm going to try a few Swords in the deck, instead of 4 card:Runechanter's Pikes. I think a Sword of Feast and Famine could be the best, giving me mana back to counter stuff, and implementing a little hand control by making them discard. Sword of War and Peace would be great as well, potentially a more reliable source of extra damage than the Pike.

August 11, 2012 8:27 a.m.

Azure124 says...

#19

SoWaP is good for side board for this a2/2 split would most likely be the best split

August 11, 2012 10:53 a.m.

Long_Con says...

#20

Well, I own two SoFaF and one SoWaP, so I'll keep one Runechanter's for now... but if it goes as well as I think it will, I may use store credit prize for another Sword. ;)

August 11, 2012 3:16 p.m.

Azure124 says...

#21

i meant 2 card:Runechanter's Pikes and 2 SoFaF main boarded and SoWaP sideboarded

August 11, 2012 4:11 p.m.

apollo62442 says...

#22

Psychic Barrier rather than Essence Scatter

August 12, 2012 2:22 a.m.

Long_Con says...

#23

@Azure124: I don't know, I think that Sword of War and Peace might do more damage on a regular basis than the Pike. An early Pike gives a puny plus, or none at all, but the SoWaP always boots power (AND toughness).

Even late game, maybe the Pike would give a healthy +6 to a creature's power, but compare that to the +2 from the Sword, PLUS a few extra damage, PLUS I gain some life, PLUS my creature can't be hurt by Bonfire of the Damned or Oblivion Ring ... and that happens early-, mid-, and late-game.

@apollo62442: It's worth considering, but 18% of my lands are colourless, and the double blue will sometimes hurt me. I know this, because I'm running a couple of Redirect s and I have been in situations where I couldn't use it when I needed it due to Inkmoth Nexus or Ghost Quarter .

August 12, 2012 9:49 a.m.

strateupjee says...

#24

Is Vapor Snag rotating out?

August 13, 2012 4:19 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#25

Yes, but it can be replaced by Unsummon pretty easily. It's Ponder and Gitaxian Probe I might miss the most... Index is no replacement.

August 13, 2012 4:27 p.m.

strateupjee says...

#26

I know what you mean haha,, I run 4 Ponder s in my mono blue delver control and they are so incredible for forcing the flip... Index just makes me sad how much worse it is haha

August 13, 2012 5:16 p.m.

Chibisukei says...

#27

The way scoring (or rather tiebreakers) work is the timing of your losses. The earlier you had your losses the worse you will do in a tiebreaker. (They do this since technically you get seeded against other people who lost and they got seeded against people who won early).

The only other tiebreakers are rounds you either lost 2-1 or won 1-2 but i think thats secondary

August 21, 2012 7:32 a.m.

Long_Con says...

#28

Thanks, Chibisukei, that makes sense since round 1 was the only loss.

August 21, 2012 8:30 a.m.

Alexander666 says...

#29

How do you feel about Archaeomancer in this deck?

August 31, 2012 7:24 a.m.

Long_Con says...

#30

I love Archeomancer's ability, but he will never go into this deck. His 4 CMC competes too heavily with Talrand, Sky Summoner and card:Talrand's Invocation.

When I hit turn 4, and put my 4th land down, it's often a judgment call as to whether to tap out and play one of those two, or to hold my lands for counters and play it slow. I usually hold off on casting the 4 CMC stuff until later.

Long story short, Archaeomancer doesn't fit the mana curve of this deck. 4 is the max, and I don't want any more of 'the max'.

August 31, 2012 9:31 a.m.

Azure124 says...

#31

i dont like Inkmoth Nexus in here now that the pike's are gone. but the deck is solid and deserves a +1

September 1, 2012 9:26 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#32

Thanks! You're totally right that the Nexus' value here has gone down.

It came in handy last Friday, though, after a boardwipe - a couple of free Infectious hits with the Sword of Feast and Famine , and I was able to keep the discarding going, and all lands, including the Inkmoth herself, untap.

Would you suggest I replace them with mere Islands? I think that two Nexus' still have a bit more utility than basics, and as a monocolour, I can handle the colourlessness of them without a problem.

September 2, 2012 9:45 a.m.

Azure124 says...

#33

i think that if you could fit 2 pikes in here and replace Think Twice with Thought Scour inkmoth would be great. maybe side 1 Redirect and 1 SoBaM to make room for them. just what i think as SoBaM has under performed in the past for me but if it works for you keep it

September 2, 2012 7:10 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#34

I replaced it with another SoFaF last Friday, because I was able to borrow it. That's the ideal for me... that or two each of FaF and WaP.

I am thinking of moving Redirect to the sideboard, but it is awesome at least once or twice a night.

September 2, 2012 7:31 p.m.

Azure124 says...

#35

keeping in 1 Redirect gives you something against a bonfire or other game changing card. i like pike in games that take a longer time as they are more likely going to swing for a kill. what are you going to do after rotation with this maybe i could help with making this post rotation ready

September 2, 2012 7:53 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#36

Although I am somewhat interested in going Izzet and seeing how Guttersnipe might fit, I'm not sure I want to take this past rotation. I'm so impressed by RTR so far, that I don't want to limit myself with this deck that I have used so much.

With all the new/reprinted dual lands coming out, I am thinking of adding black to Kessig Repository and try things like Rakdos Shred-Freak and Rakdos' Return.

However, I'm sure I'll keep Delver alive in Izzet form, even if it's not the primary deck I will use. Your input will be most welcome!

September 2, 2012 8:09 p.m.

Azure124 says...

#37

i built a post rotation version of this for you, its not as good as this list but is still a decent deck that you can modify as spoilers come out, deck:delver-a-la-drake-post-rotation

September 2, 2012 9:39 p.m.

Azure124 says...

#38

I did some playtesting against your decks with your deck against some of mine

vs deck:mono-greenmill you win 2-1

game1: you had 2 delvers opening hand both fliped by turn 3 i couldnt stall enough

game2: i got a t2 rites out and just stalled you to death

game3: i couldnt get a fog out of drawing 8 cards and you swung fo lethal with drakes

overall you did well against turbofog only didnt do well when we both were drawing 8 cards a turn and i was hitting every fog

vs sigarda's army i win 2-1

game1: you couldnt keep pace as a t3 sigarda and you not having a counterspell

game2: i couldnt keep up with 3 flipped delvers on t3

game3: we were both down to 5 i top decked a wolfrun and pushed through

Thalia, Guardian of Thraben put me over the top here making you have to pay the extra mana not letting you counter everything

vs deck:tibalts-reanimator you win 2-0

game1 you kept the board clean of my creatures and won easy

game2 same thing happened

Vapor Snag killed me as i couldn't recast the creatures

vs deck:sorins-infect i win 2-0

game 1 you lost to 2 card:Curse of Death's Hold on back to back turns

game 2 you got hit for 15 poison

you didn't deal well with repeated board wipes and the curse destroy's you

overall you did well the infect matchup was really tough for you but you can destroy reanimator easily. i didnt sub anything for side board which might have made a difference. but keep it up

September 3, 2012 10:49 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#39

Wow, thanks! Not surprised I lost to mono-black, I have had some trouble with it before. I haven't actually played against reanimator in real life, but I'm not surprised I can handle it.

The Sigarda's Army results don't surprise me too much, sounds like Game 3 was a pretty exciting game!

I wanted to try myself against Turbofog. Game 1, you were a little mana-flooded, so I kept up fine with counters for fogs, my win. Game 2, I got milled, but I know that with the kind of sideboard I'd be doing, I would be able to stage a planned assault with three or four counters ready, and break through the Fogs.

Game 3 I tried just that, and I was able to bust through. I know you just threw together deck:mono-greenmill for the Challenge, but a usual Turbofog has a few board-sweepers, and that would give me a tough time I'm sure. I'd have to use up valuable counters.

September 4, 2012 10 a.m.

Azure124 says...

#40

this is one of the better delver lists ive seen so when i need to test against a delver list i test against this one. good luck in future tournaments.

September 4, 2012 11:09 a.m.

Long_Con says...

#41

Thanks a lot for your help and comments, it really is a great example of what I've seen so far from the TappedOut community - this is a great place with no censorship, yet little to no trolling! LOL

What does it cost for a premium membership?

September 4, 2012 1:11 p.m.

Azure124 says...

#42

5 dollars you get 3 feature tokens and are able to deck cycle 3 times a day. It is a good purchase

September 4, 2012 1:22 p.m.

Long_Con says...

#43

Not to mention, a colourful name. That's value enough right there!!

September 4, 2012 1:41 p.m.

Please login to comment

TCGPlayer.com price Checkout

Low Avg High
$144.92 $198.94 $389.13
Date added 1 year
Last updated 6 months
Legal formats Commander / EDH, Legacy, Vintage
Illegal cards Ponder , Inkmoth Nexus , Sword of War and Peace , Mana Leak , Vapor Snag , Sword of Feast and Famine , Sword of Body and Mind
Sets
Cards 66
Avg. CMC 2.20
Top rank #9 on 2012-08-08

Embed code